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[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=45255.msg1328856#msg1328856 date=1304893804]
We've held that record for 21 years! You think they're going to manage to keep us behind for that long? FAT FUCKING CHANCE!
And Ferguson won't be around for much longer.
I think it will be incredibly sweet to rub it in when we catch them
NEXT YEAR!!!!!!
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we've actually had more titles than them since 1901. until very soon.
We've held that record for 21 years! You think they're going to manage to keep us behind for that long? FAT FUCKING CHANCE!
And Ferguson won't be around for much longer.
I think it will be incredibly sweet to rub it in when we catch them
NEXT YEAR!!!!!!
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we've actually had more titles than them since 1901. until very soon.
I will derive great pleasure from noting how even with their best manager ever, all the advantages that the Premier league transformation, and their superior exploitation of their commercial potential. They managed to get ahead of us for (what do you reckon - i think 1-2 years - 3 maximum)
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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If this post was a video, it would be 'Two Girls, One Cup'.
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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If this post was a video, it would be 'Two Girls, One Cup'.
Dreamy is an outlier. He defies the norm.
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[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=45255.msg1328782#msg1328782 date=1304882420]
Not what we want to hear but getting the "18 titles" monkey off our back could be a good thing. Time to look forward rather than back! Im sure we are heading in the right direction!
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i agree and have thought this for a while
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I agree too boys, it has been a fucking albatross around our neck for the last five years at least, lets worry about what we do rather than everyone else including the Mancs. Strange as it may seem they even manage to be more obsessed about us than us of them
regards
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=45255.msg1328782#msg1328782 date=1304882420]
Not what we want to hear but getting the "18 titles" monkey off our back could be a good thing. Time to look forward rather than back! Im sure we are heading in the right direction!
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i agree and have thought this for a while
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I agree too boys, it has been a fucking albatross around our neck for the last five years at least, lets worry about what we do rather than everyone else including the Mancs. Strange as it may seem they even manage to be more obsessed about us than us of them
regards
This thread is really depressing.
Whatever way you want to look at it, my whole life has been spent mainly watching Manchester win, and hearing my dad speak about how it used to be. And it's not slowing down either. They continue to win everything.
That's why I can't abide any shitting on Benitez. Yea, it didn't pan out, but that's been the highlight of my liverpool life. Watching the CL final with my dad is one of the highlights of my life.
There's still magic left in Liverpool, that can't be denied after seeing us with Kenny this year, but whether it'll some ephemeral glint in our eye, the odd triumph in a cup, or some sustained push is completely uncertain, in a very uncertain time for football in general. This is a huge summer, and I need to see movement in the right direction. It's not about snoogy doogy, it's about seeing some robust forward thinking strategy.
Whatever way you want to look at it, my whole life has been spent mainly watching Manchester win, and hearing my dad speak about how it used to be. And it's not slowing down either. They continue to win everything.
That's why I can't abide any shitting on Benitez. Yea, it didn't pan out, but that's been the highlight of my liverpool life. Watching the CL final with my dad is one of the highlights of my life.
There's still magic left in Liverpool, that can't be denied after seeing us with Kenny this year, but whether it'll some ephemeral glint in our eye, the odd triumph in a cup, or some sustained push is completely uncertain, in a very uncertain time for football in general. This is a huge summer, and I need to see movement in the right direction. It's not about snoogy doogy, it's about seeing some robust forward thinking strategy.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=45255.msg1328770#msg1328770 date=1304880838]
It was bound to happen. Everyone moaning how bad it will talking to their mates etc needs to forget about it.
I live amongst them, and just agree with them on everything. It leaves them with nothing to say.
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Fuck off SG, how dare you acquiesce so easily. I live amongst 'em too and for the last few weeks have been telling them that I fully expect them to win the league BUT 18/5 > 19/3 and that IF they win the CL as well then and only then will we accept them as our equals and until then we continue to look down on them.
I obviously do this amongst Scum fans I know as opposed to randomers but in fairness most of them agree that 18/5 > 19/3.
Keep fighting the good fight George.
It was bound to happen. Everyone moaning how bad it will talking to their mates etc needs to forget about it.
I live amongst them, and just agree with them on everything. It leaves them with nothing to say.
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Fuck off SG, how dare you acquiesce so easily. I live amongst 'em too and for the last few weeks have been telling them that I fully expect them to win the league BUT 18/5 > 19/3 and that IF they win the CL as well then and only then will we accept them as our equals and until then we continue to look down on them.
I obviously do this amongst Scum fans I know as opposed to randomers but in fairness most of them agree that 18/5 > 19/3.
Keep fighting the good fight George.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
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Yeah, and only took them 120 years or so, they can come back when they've been ahead for a century.
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
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Yeah, and only took them 120 years or so, they can come back when they've been ahead for a century.
I agree ken. There's not point on us relying on what last happened 20 years ago. Same reason i don't mention anything about leagues to chelsea fans. History is nice and everything, but ours is becoming more and more confined to the distant past. unless we start adding to it all this posturing by our fans looks slightly pathetic
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45255.msg1328907#msg1328907 date=1304926500]
I find it very difficult to do the whole posturing thing with Utd fans when we've won next to fuck all for years.
As Oncey said, I want us to win as opposed to spending the season hoping other teams lose.
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Yeeees, but.....you DO still want Barca to beat them in a couple of weeks, dontcha, Ken, old pal, old chummy whummy, eh ?
I find it very difficult to do the whole posturing thing with Utd fans when we've won next to fuck all for years.
As Oncey said, I want us to win as opposed to spending the season hoping other teams lose.
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Yeeees, but.....you DO still want Barca to beat them in a couple of weeks, dontcha, Ken, old pal, old chummy whummy, eh ?
For the past two decades the Mancs have outperformed us and most other teams in the league. They've earnt their titles for the most part and you can't deny them that. The fact it's come at the control of that utter cock Ferguson sticks in the throat somewhat but again you can't deny he knows what he's doing.
But...it's their time, their epoch which will eventually come to an end and the debt the Glazers has loaded onto the club will do them no good in the long term. Those cunts went 26 years without a league title. We're approaching that soon but their success will not last for ever, no-ones does.
But...it's their time, their epoch which will eventually come to an end and the debt the Glazers has loaded onto the club will do them no good in the long term. Those cunts went 26 years without a league title. We're approaching that soon but their success will not last for ever, no-ones does.
[quote author=themn link=topic=45255.msg1328926#msg1328926 date=1304928746]
Yeeees, but.....you DO still want Barca to beat them in a couple of weeks, dontcha, Ken, old pal, old chummy whummy, eh ?
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I want Barca to win regardless of who they play (bar us of course).
In the case of Utd however, I'd like them not just to win, but to humiliate them.
Yeeees, but.....you DO still want Barca to beat them in a couple of weeks, dontcha, Ken, old pal, old chummy whummy, eh ?
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I want Barca to win regardless of who they play (bar us of course).
In the case of Utd however, I'd like them not just to win, but to humiliate them.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45255.msg1328940#msg1328940 date=1304929559]
[quote author=themn link=topic=45255.msg1328926#msg1328926 date=1304928746]
Yeeees, but.....you DO still want Barca to beat them in a couple of weeks, dontcha, Ken, old pal, old chummy whummy, eh ?
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I want Barca to win regardless of who they play (bar us of course).
In the case of Utd however, I'd like them not just to win, but to humiliate them.
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Good.
[quote author=themn link=topic=45255.msg1328926#msg1328926 date=1304928746]
Yeeees, but.....you DO still want Barca to beat them in a couple of weeks, dontcha, Ken, old pal, old chummy whummy, eh ?
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I want Barca to win regardless of who they play (bar us of course).
In the case of Utd however, I'd like them not just to win, but to humiliate them.
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Good.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1328938#msg1328938 date=1304929426]
For the past two decades the Mancs have outperformed us and most other teams in the league. They've earnt their titles for the most part and you can't deny them that. The fact it's come at the control of that utter cock Ferguson sticks in the throat somewhat but again you can't deny he knows what he's doing.
But...it's their time, their epoch which will eventually come to an end and the debt the Glazers has loaded onto the club will do them no good in the long term. Those cunts went 26 years without a league title. We're approaching that soon but their success will not last for ever, no-ones does.
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For the past two decades the Mancs have outperformed us and most other teams in the league. They've earnt their titles for the most part and you can't deny them that. The fact it's come at the control of that utter cock Ferguson sticks in the throat somewhat but again you can't deny he knows what he's doing.
But...it's their time, their epoch which will eventually come to an end and the debt the Glazers has loaded onto the club will do them no good in the long term. Those cunts went 26 years without a league title. We're approaching that soon but their success will not last for ever, no-ones does.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45255.msg1328938#msg1328938 date=1304929426]
For the past two decades the Mancs have outperformed us and most other teams in the league. They've earnt their titles for the most part and you can't deny them that. The fact it's come at the control of that utter cock Ferguson sticks in the throat somewhat but again you can't deny he knows what he's doing.
But...it's their time, their epoch which will eventually come to an end and the debt the Glazers has loaded onto the club will do them no good in the long term. Those cunts went 26 years without a league title. We're approaching that soon but their success will not last for ever, no-ones does.
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Great post.
For the past two decades the Mancs have outperformed us and most other teams in the league. They've earnt their titles for the most part and you can't deny them that. The fact it's come at the control of that utter cock Ferguson sticks in the throat somewhat but again you can't deny he knows what he's doing.
But...it's their time, their epoch which will eventually come to an end and the debt the Glazers has loaded onto the club will do them no good in the long term. Those cunts went 26 years without a league title. We're approaching that soon but their success will not last for ever, no-ones does.
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Great post.
Man Utd had the happy coincidence that they were best set up to take advantage of their money making potential in the Premier years.
In 18 yrs of the Premiership there have been 4 league champions and one of those was Blackburn with Jack Walkers millions.
In the previous 18 there were 7 league champions and the 2nd to 4th spot was always a lot more unpredictable than it has been in the Premiership.
We weren't well set up for the Premier League under Moores and Parry.
What with the new fair play rules etc coming in I'd say we are well set up for the future now under the new owners.
Bring it on!
In 18 yrs of the Premiership there have been 4 league champions and one of those was Blackburn with Jack Walkers millions.
In the previous 18 there were 7 league champions and the 2nd to 4th spot was always a lot more unpredictable than it has been in the Premiership.
We weren't well set up for the Premier League under Moores and Parry.
What with the new fair play rules etc coming in I'd say we are well set up for the future now under the new owners.
Bring it on!
Oh and Ferguson has obviously been a good manager for them.
But he's a horrible cunt, a bad loser, an ungraceful winner and a fucking bully.
Without him I feel they will really suffer from a period of "identity crisis" - just as we are finding ours again 😉
But he's a horrible cunt, a bad loser, an ungraceful winner and a fucking bully.
Without him I feel they will really suffer from a period of "identity crisis" - just as we are finding ours again 😉
There's no point us wallowing in any kind of self pity is there Vlad? We've not been up the task over the last two decades. Bar Arsenal's success and Abromovich's millions neither have any other team. God knows we've mismanaged the club and team so amateurishly over that period we've ended up with too many players who possess neither the ability or the fight for it. As a club we have no-one else to blame although truth be said it does lie at the door of those few who make the decisions.
Moores fucked up. I've nothing against Moores myself. He's comes across as immensely lacking in business acumen and the intelligence to support that and obviously heavily relied on the likes of Parry and the word of other companies to run the LFC business. Those people failed him and the club too. Selling to Hicks and Gillette was a fuck up of monumental proportions but saying that they were taken in by two cunts would cash in their own mothers if it meant making a few fast bucks. They were liars, plain and simple. Greedy, despicable two-faced liars. And Moores and Parry fell for their lies hook, line and sinker as many others did. Oh, they said all the right things but little did we know every word was likely a complete lie. Like all liars they got found out eventually.
Stupidity and naivety on the part of Moores and Parry ? Most definitely. Done to make themselves a little extra cash? Nah, I don't see it. Moores may have been some things but he was a fan like us and a fan who's too ashamed and embarrassed to show his face now at Anfield. The one crying shame of all that is that Moores probably didn't have to sell at all to build the stadium. Stilll, we needed at least some change as we were pretty much inept business wise.
I digress anyway. So, the last two decades, Man United haven't so much had it on a plate as much as people think. Yeh we were shite and didn't offer too much resistance but there were few other teams that did and this isn't the SPL where it's a two horse race. Man U also started their run of success just at the right time for them. Sky came along and football was now big, global money making business attracting millions of new fans to the game. This enabled the Mancs to sell their brand (and that's all I ever view them as. A big corporate bandwagon for soulless cunts to jump aboard) around the world attracting top players and top revenue brought in by a growing number of fairweather fans - the type who buy LFC Torres shirts as well. It's seen them well for the past 20 years and Ferguson has finally done what he set out to achieve. Knocked us off our perch. Well done.
Whereas this does pain us as Liverpool fans it could also do us favour. It'll be like a monkey off our back. It's a challenge to aspire to now and it's the yardstick that we needed beating into us to wake us from our decades of sloth and slumber. Yes it's glum but there are, as Ian Dury said, reasons to be cheerful.
I fully believe we now have a board who know what the fuck they are doing. For the first time since John Smith we have a board who possess a willingness to be successful on and off the field and have the business acumen to do that.
Given our lack of recent league successes we are still one of the biggest clubs in the world. Our fans see this club for more than a soulless corporate entity like United. They see we're not some cheap tart of a club that whored out our history and morals to the richest slobbering oligarch it could find. You know the type - it's all tits and lipstick but there's fuck all of substance underneath, Our board and club will build on our global fanbase. We WILL extend Anfield or build a new stadium to increase matchday income. We WILL leverage our name, history and beliefs through the globe and become a huge attractive brand. We must lot lose sight of our soul for this though.
We've got a manager who understands the club and understands what's expected. He's got the team playing the most attractive football we've seen in many of year and with one of the poorest squads we have had.
In 5-10 years time we'll have record revenues which, with the introduction of FIFA fair play, will hold us on a par with any other club on this planet. That will strengthen our position on the field also.
All of this will bring success but there will be still be competition.
Man Utd have their moment of glory now. I don't begrudge them it. If it was us, we'd been revelling in it. What do they truly have now ?
Well, the monkeys on their back now for starters. Ferguson, Scholes, Giggs - key for their success. They're not getting any younger and their effective days are numbered. They're saddled with an absolutely enormous amount of crippling LBO debt which is becoming a heavier and heavier chain around their neck and is going to constrain them heavily in the transfer market. Some of their fans can see right through this yet most are blinded by their recent successes and can't see no further than wearing a green and yellow scarf in a mock muted protest.
The winds of change are blowing though and their days of success will wane before long. The signs are already there and it will hit them fast and hard. Let's face it - other than Leeds this is probably the shittest team to have won the Premier League. Rather than coast the league based on their brilliance they've got it through a few good performances, other teams ineptitudes (Chelsea massively guilty), a never-say-die attitude, an inordinately large amount of luck (as usual) and the halycon performances of one Sir Ryan of Giggs. None of that will last. We should know that more than anyone. Satan's pact for Fergies soul is well and truly fulfilled now.
All Man United have done is set a new record. And records are made to be broken.
Moores fucked up. I've nothing against Moores myself. He's comes across as immensely lacking in business acumen and the intelligence to support that and obviously heavily relied on the likes of Parry and the word of other companies to run the LFC business. Those people failed him and the club too. Selling to Hicks and Gillette was a fuck up of monumental proportions but saying that they were taken in by two cunts would cash in their own mothers if it meant making a few fast bucks. They were liars, plain and simple. Greedy, despicable two-faced liars. And Moores and Parry fell for their lies hook, line and sinker as many others did. Oh, they said all the right things but little did we know every word was likely a complete lie. Like all liars they got found out eventually.
Stupidity and naivety on the part of Moores and Parry ? Most definitely. Done to make themselves a little extra cash? Nah, I don't see it. Moores may have been some things but he was a fan like us and a fan who's too ashamed and embarrassed to show his face now at Anfield. The one crying shame of all that is that Moores probably didn't have to sell at all to build the stadium. Stilll, we needed at least some change as we were pretty much inept business wise.
I digress anyway. So, the last two decades, Man United haven't so much had it on a plate as much as people think. Yeh we were shite and didn't offer too much resistance but there were few other teams that did and this isn't the SPL where it's a two horse race. Man U also started their run of success just at the right time for them. Sky came along and football was now big, global money making business attracting millions of new fans to the game. This enabled the Mancs to sell their brand (and that's all I ever view them as. A big corporate bandwagon for soulless cunts to jump aboard) around the world attracting top players and top revenue brought in by a growing number of fairweather fans - the type who buy LFC Torres shirts as well. It's seen them well for the past 20 years and Ferguson has finally done what he set out to achieve. Knocked us off our perch. Well done.
Whereas this does pain us as Liverpool fans it could also do us favour. It'll be like a monkey off our back. It's a challenge to aspire to now and it's the yardstick that we needed beating into us to wake us from our decades of sloth and slumber. Yes it's glum but there are, as Ian Dury said, reasons to be cheerful.
I fully believe we now have a board who know what the fuck they are doing. For the first time since John Smith we have a board who possess a willingness to be successful on and off the field and have the business acumen to do that.
Given our lack of recent league successes we are still one of the biggest clubs in the world. Our fans see this club for more than a soulless corporate entity like United. They see we're not some cheap tart of a club that whored out our history and morals to the richest slobbering oligarch it could find. You know the type - it's all tits and lipstick but there's fuck all of substance underneath, Our board and club will build on our global fanbase. We WILL extend Anfield or build a new stadium to increase matchday income. We WILL leverage our name, history and beliefs through the globe and become a huge attractive brand. We must lot lose sight of our soul for this though.
We've got a manager who understands the club and understands what's expected. He's got the team playing the most attractive football we've seen in many of year and with one of the poorest squads we have had.
In 5-10 years time we'll have record revenues which, with the introduction of FIFA fair play, will hold us on a par with any other club on this planet. That will strengthen our position on the field also.
All of this will bring success but there will be still be competition.
Man Utd have their moment of glory now. I don't begrudge them it. If it was us, we'd been revelling in it. What do they truly have now ?
Well, the monkeys on their back now for starters. Ferguson, Scholes, Giggs - key for their success. They're not getting any younger and their effective days are numbered. They're saddled with an absolutely enormous amount of crippling LBO debt which is becoming a heavier and heavier chain around their neck and is going to constrain them heavily in the transfer market. Some of their fans can see right through this yet most are blinded by their recent successes and can't see no further than wearing a green and yellow scarf in a mock muted protest.
The winds of change are blowing though and their days of success will wane before long. The signs are already there and it will hit them fast and hard. Let's face it - other than Leeds this is probably the shittest team to have won the Premier League. Rather than coast the league based on their brilliance they've got it through a few good performances, other teams ineptitudes (Chelsea massively guilty), a never-say-die attitude, an inordinately large amount of luck (as usual) and the halycon performances of one Sir Ryan of Giggs. None of that will last. We should know that more than anyone. Satan's pact for Fergies soul is well and truly fulfilled now.
All Man United have done is set a new record. And records are made to be broken.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
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Sorry ILD it's not like I'm happy but Chelsea are everything thats wrong with football today.
At least UTD have earned their 19 titles.
Chelsea bought their 2 and have the biggest cnut in football playing for them in John Terry.
It like choosing how you want a prostrate checked. A thumb up the arse is ever so slightly better than a tube up the knob.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
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Sorry ILD it's not like I'm happy but Chelsea are everything thats wrong with football today.
At least UTD have earned their 19 titles.
Chelsea bought their 2 and have the biggest cnut in football playing for them in John Terry.
It like choosing how you want a prostrate checked. A thumb up the arse is ever so slightly better than a tube up the knob.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1329106#msg1329106 date=1304949124]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45255.msg1328864#msg1328864 date=1304895402]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
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Sorry ILD it's not like I'm happy but Chelsea are everything thats wrong with football today.
At least UTD have earned their 19 titles.
Chelsea bought their 2 and have the biggest cnut in football playing for them in John Terry.
It like choosing how you want a prostrate checked. A thumb up the arse is ever so slightly better than a tube up the knob.
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Your deep affection for Man U troubles me Patrick.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45255.msg1328862#msg1328862 date=1304894699]
First time in the history of our clubs that they have had more titles than us.
Sad day indeed.
However I'm still happier to see them win that Chelsea.
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No Liverpool fan should want United to win a title over Chelsea. I don't care if Chelsea are a vacuous plastic flag waving pack of cunts who now employ Fernando Torres, I still will shout for them over united every day of the week.
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Sorry ILD it's not like I'm happy but Chelsea are everything thats wrong with football today.
At least UTD have earned their 19 titles.
Chelsea bought their 2 and have the biggest cnut in football playing for them in John Terry.
It like choosing how you want a prostrate checked. A thumb up the arse is ever so slightly better than a tube up the knob.
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Your deep affection for Man U troubles me Patrick.
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