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Gerrard to Rangers?

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I'd love to see him take one or two of our players on loan up there. They are going to be in Europa League too so even if some games in the SPL are shite, the Old Firm derbies and the Europa League games would be useful experience.

Solanke would be a good shout as he needs serious game time, as does Woodburn.
 
I'd love to see him take one or two of our players on loan up there. They are going to be in Europa League too so even if some games in the SPL are shite, the Old Firm derbies and the Europa League games would be useful experience.

Solanke would be a good shout as he needs serious game time, as does Woodburn.

Didn’t they get put out in the 1st round of the Europa League by a team from Luxembourg last season?

I think a bit of realism will be required here.

Some of the teams in the SPL have a “stadium” capacity of under 6,000 people - the highland team grounds are spectacularly small.

As has been previously mentioned - Rangers fans want to see Celtic beaten - the press will he all over him - anything other than victory against teams other than Celtic will immediately bring questions about his ability as a manager.

This is not a League for technical craft - majority of teams would struggle in the First Division, let alone the Championship.

I wouldn’t be lending out any promising outfield players to a team in that league.
 
As if we'd be in a position to turn him down when he picks up the phone and asks for a couple of promising outfield players. Should have signed a prenup equivalent knowing that when he leaves our ass he's gonna leave with half.
 
Apparently he told someone at the start of this year that he didn't want another season of coaching the under 18s. Which I guess could mean he's admirably ambitious, but personally find it a bit alarming that he became restless as early as that.
 
I know it's a leaving of Liverpool, and I know a lot of Liverpool fans have an affiliation with Celtic, but I don't think it's a bad move for him; or them.
I can't see him doing a Barnesey.
He'll lift them, no doubt. What the ceiling is in terms of what he can achieve is something different. But, he'll learn. I also think there should always be a way back for him to LFC, with the added experience; win, lose or draw.
To be honest, it's better than coaching U18s, how do you assess that? I get 'boot room' and all that but, I'd rather he cut his teeth somewhere else first, more competitively.
 
Fair enough.
I care, he's probably our best ever player, certainly our best ever home grown, and I'd like to see what he could bring in charge of the senior team at some point, should it come about. I don't see how this move harms that. I'm not a Old Firm follower so a Rangers move doesn't bother me per se, more interested to see how he handles it.
 
I'd like to see what he could bring in charge of the senior team at some point, should it come about.

I sort of wanted to see that, too, but I really do find it depressing when they try to bypass the basics to go straight into a big club, and I find it particularly exasperating when Gerrard spent so many interviews explaining why he was determined NOT to do that, only for him to do the opposite. But who knows, as you say, maybe he'll blossom abnormally quickly there.
 
I don't really find myself at odds with what your saying Macca but why is it depressing? Who was our last U-18s Manager? Would he be in the running to replace Klopp if he went? I might be naive here but I don't think Gerrard is chasing money or fame or whatever. More, he's chancing his arm on an opportunity, and knows the risks that come with that. It might work out, it might not. But hey.
And, as I said, we should always welcome him back regardless, he's earned it. We might be welcoming him back as a world class manager, might be welcoming him back to his U-18s role, who knows?
I just don't see the criminality in it. Unless you're a Celtic fan and therefore, fair enough, I guess you hate them.
 
I don't really find myself at odds with what your saying Macca but why is it depressing? Who was our last U-18s Manager? Would he be in the running to replace Klopp if he went? I might be naive here but I don't think Gerrard is chasing money or fame or whatever. More, he's chancing his arm on an opportunity, and knows the risks that come with that. It might work out, it might not. But hey.
And, as I said, we should always welcome him back regardless, he's earned it. We might be welcoming him back as a world class manager, might be welcoming him back to his U-18s role, who knows?
I just don't see the criminality in it. Unless you're a Celtic fan and therefore, fair enough, I guess you hate them.
It seems high pressure and high scrutiny for little reward.

He should be formulating what works for him at a club under a lot less pressure.
 
You mean an easy job? Why?
Yeah, I don't think it's bad to want him to learn under less scrutiny.

Depending on the character, pressure can make them change their vision and their methods.

Things don't go his way early doors he might change his ideals before he gets binned. And then he might have a Mish mash of ideas and how to implement them in the future. He might end of being a pardew/allerdyce short term manager with little success.
 
He might end up doing a good job and it being a benefit to his long term aspirations.

Whereas, if he's u-18s manager, then reserve manager, who knows? Isn't it still a massive risk to give him the main man's job?

I don't think he has much to lose. Even if he flops, we'll take him back, as we should, and he'll be more experienced.
 

[article]RANGERS season ticket holders have responded in their thousands as preparations for a new chapter in the club’s history continue apace.

With the deadline for renewals approaching (Monday, May 14) over 30,000 fans have already pledged their support and this astonishing number is higher than at the corresponding period last year when the club went on to record a record number of season tickets sold.

This can only be a massive positive for the new manager, Steven Gerrard, whose own preparations to meet all the challenges of season 2018/19, will go into overdrive on June 1, his official start date.

Supporters are reminded they can renew in four easy ways, either on the club website, the Rangers Ticket Centre, by phone or via email.

Rangers Managing Director Stewart Robertson has again paid tribute to the loyal Gers supporters. “The passion that was shown by the fans in attendance as we unveiled Steven as our new manager was incomparable” he said.

“This loyalty and passion will never be taken for granted by the Club, as we continue to work tirelessly towards creating a bright future together.”[/article]

[article]Steven Gerrard admits taking the Rangers job is a huge task so early on in his managerial career but says he can’t wait to get started.

The former Liverpool captain, who was appointed coach at Ibrox last Friday, was in Dubai on Thursday to promote Sunday’s free LFC World fan experience at Barasti, where he will be present to watch the Brighton game with fans alongside fellow former Reds Steve McManaman and Gary McAllister.

McAllister will be Gerrard’s assistant at Rangers next season, so it was only natural for the conversation to deviate away from Liverpool, given the happenings of the past week.

“It’s been a bit of a whirlwind for myself and Gary really,” said Gerrard, who will challenge his former Liverpool coach Brendan Rodgers — who is now at Celtic — for the Scottish crown next season.

“Obviously the opportunity came up for a managerial role up in Scotland to lead Rangers in the SPL (Scottish Premier League) and obviously it’s a very exciting opportunity for myself and Gary and the rest of the staff we’ll take with us.

“I’m really looking forward to the challenge, it’s big, and it came very quickly since I started coaching, but it’s one I’m really looking forward to.”

The 37-year-old Englishman’s only other managerial experience was overseeing Liverpool’s Under-18s this season, but he has now jumped in at the deep end with Rangers, who are only two seasons back into the top flight after having to work their way back up from the fourth tier following their 2012 liquidation.

Rangers are currently third in the SPL with one game to go this season but remain 13 points behind Rodgers’ Celtic, who have now won seven league titles in a row.

Gerrard, who scored 186 goals in 710 appearances for Liverpool between 1998 and 2015, also waded in on Liverpool’s Champions League final chances against Real Madrid in Kiev on May 26, and offered his insight having lifted the title with the club back in 2005.

“I think we’ve got a really good chance,” he said. “I wouldn’t say on current form we’re going into the game as underdogs at all, although I suppose Jurgen [Klopp] and the boys will want to go in as underdogs because it takes that little bit of pressure off.

“But I think, with the form that they are in and how they’ve performed in the last two games against Roma, and the form the front three players are in, especially Mo Salah, I think we go in with every confidence and belief that we can get the job done.

“In 2005 we were the underdogs and rightly so against a fantastic Milan side, so if you go in with confidence and belief and never give up, I’ve experienced it, it can be done.”[/article]

[article]Steven Gerrard’s Rangers assistant Gary McAllister says he always knew he would end up working with his former Liverpool teammate on the touchline.

Speaking in Dubai on Thursday, where he is here with Gerrard and fellow former Red Steve McManaman to promote Sunday’s LFC World fan experience at Barasti, McAllister said: “First and foremost it’s a massive complement to be the guy that Steven asked to come along and be his assistant, so I’m very honoured with the fact he asked me.

“I had a feeling — I wouldn’t say it would be the Rangers job — but I had a feeling in my blood that at some point before we actually packed up football, we would work together at some point. And it’s happened at a great club up in Glasgow, who have been through a tough few seasons, but hopefully we can make a difference.

“I’ve been cruising along working for Liverpool as an ambassador doing LFC World and meeting fans all over the world but now I’m right back at the coalface back there working with the players, it’s what I know and I’m delighted to be there with Steve.”

The pair were only appointed by Rangers last Friday but had pre-arranged commitments with Liverpool that forced them to switch Glasgow for Dubai this weekend.

They will return after this to prepare for next season, where they will attempt to bridge a burgeoning gap between Rangers and their Glasgow rivals Celtic.

Ironically the 53-year-old former Scotland captain only played four years in the Scottish league with Motherwell from 1981 to 1985, before heading south to represent Leicester City, Leeds United, Coventry City and Liverpool.

He scored five in 55 appearances at Liverpool alongside Gerrard winning five trophies in a one season stay back in 2001.

While this will be Gerrard’s first proper managerial role having only previously overseen Liverpool’s Under-18s this season, McAllister does at least come in with a bit more experience having player-managed Coventry between 2002 and 2004, followed by brief managerial roles at Leeds and Aston Villa in 2008 and 2011.[/article]
 
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I appreciate your argument, Larry, but don't forget it's Gerrard himself who encouraged the counter-argument. And repeatedly. This is him from just TWO months ago:


'I’m enjoying the role and making loads of mistakes, but they’re off-camera – which is what Jurgen suggested was the best move. Now that I’ve started experiencing it, I'm convinced that was certainly the right move from the beginning. I’m just trying to grow and learn and get used to a completely different role – and completely different job – to being a player. That has been the most eye-opening thing for me, how different it is to being a player. It's a steep learning curve and I'm only at the start of it, but it's the right way for me to go'.


And this is him from a few months earlier:

“The other offers I got it would have been learning on the job in at the deep end and I probably wasn't ready for those jobs. I might have been but I didn't want to take any risks, especially when there is no timescale or plan of where I want to be in a certain time. The 18s made sense.”



I agreed with both of those interviews and felt rather impressed he was prepared to be patient and learn. Learning isn't an easy option. Personally, at his stage, I don't think he'll learn so much as atrophy at Rangers, because he'll be right at the centre of a storm, and he'll be reacting more than anticipating things. That kind of job, at that stage, turns you into a part of a pinball machine. Maybe that trains you for part of a manager's job, but only part of it, and the other aspects fall by the wayside unnourished.
 
Gerrard’s more likely to be a Bryan Robson than a Pep Guardiola.

I'm sure there's some glib and lazy generalisations here, but I wonder if the type of player and how successful they were, has any bearing on managerial and coaching ability in the future?

You look at a footballer like Gerrard, and you can identify drive, perfection, standards and winning mentality, but that was also allied with a really powerful, explosive playing style and talent. He could win games without relying on tactics and organisation, simply by being better than almost every other player. How hard did he have to think about how to play, when it didn't matter because he was better at it?

Then - using Guardiola as the example, because he was mentioned - the more cerebral, less physically gifted player. Who had to find ways to outmaneouvre and outsmart better players. To really think about the game of football. He was never anywhere near as gifted as Gerrard in his prime.

I suppose this also extends to all of those managers who never made it as a professional player at all, or played at a much lower level: Klopp, Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez, Sampaoli, Houllier, Sarri et al.

And then you look at someone like Souness, who admitted being almost furiously impotent at times when managing players who just weren't anywhere near as good as he was.
 
Keane failed for the same reason as Souness, and I reckon that's what'll happen to Gerrard too.

Can't believe I forgot Roy Keane. The best example ever. If it is actually a thing.

I notice quite a few Italian coaches very much DID have amazing footballing careers, but again, slightly more workmanlike and less obviously gifted than some of their contemporaries.
 
Maybe he knows this and is expecting McAllister to do his thinking for him, much like when they used to play together.
 
It will be interesting to see how he manoeuvre in the transfer market. Despite the presence of the DoF Mark Allen, Caixinha had quite a big say in his signings, bringing in a host of Mexican and Portuguese players. Will he be more Big Sam/Harry Redknapp or focus more on unearthing/nurturing talents?
 
It will be interesting to see how he manoeuvre in the transfer market. Despite the presence of the DoF Mark Allen, Caixinha had quite a big say in his signings, bringing in a host of Mexican and Portuguese players. Will he be more Big Sam/Harry Redknapp or focus more on unearthing/nurturing talents?

He'll be linked with Rooney, just wait and see. Although someone will have to subsidise about £200,000 of his wages.
 
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