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Gerrard to Rangers?

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The risk to his possible future Liverpool career, however, is decidedly high. If he comes back from Scotland having failed to get the team playing genuinely good and attractive and competitive football, and not shown serious tactical nous, he's surely finished as far as LFC is concerned. And would he want to continue a career as a Mark Hughes'style journeyman? I can't see him doing that. So he's taking one hell of a gamble and, as with his previous decisions re.Chelski, he doesn't seem to have really worked it through.
 
Well of he is to be found out, maybe it's better it is somewhere else and not at the Anfield reins

Well, obviously, but you wouldn't say someone just starting secondary school had been 'found out' if he'd tried and failed to pass his final year exams. You'd say he'd been foolish to try to bypass the business of learning. Gerrard might not have been 'found out' if he'd done what he kept saying he was going to do and learned his job at a sensible pace in relative privacy.
 
I listened to this podcast last night about Mark Chapman and how fucked up he was. One of the reasons was because his mum, a total narcissist, had constantly told him how special he was and how he was born to be a leader all his life, and when he found out he was average at best he lost his mind and shot John Lennon.

It makes me worry for poor innocent Jurgen.
 
The risk to his possible future Liverpool career, however, is decidedly high. If he comes back from Scotland having failed to get the team playing genuinely good and attractive and competitive football, and not shown serious tactical nous, he's surely finished as far as LFC is concerned. And would he want to continue a career as a Mark Hughes'style journeyman? I can't see him doing that. So he's taking one hell of a gamble and, as with his previous decisions re.Chelski, he doesn't seem to have really worked it through.

There's never really a right time though when it comes to management. He's worked with alot of good managers, he's closely studied the likes of Ferguson and Mourinho, and how they manged teams. He can study for the next 10 years and still fail. For a player who was so crucial to a team and for a player who excelled in our best attacking sides, he should really have an idea of what he wants to do with his own team. He's grown into his twilight playing years giving advice to managers, particularly Rodgers who always sought out his opinion over decisions. He's seen managers succeed and fail and his opinions over the reasons for those failures are well documented.

So I don't think we can really say he hasn't thought it through, it might be characteristically impulsive, but hopefully he gets the time and respect up there to do a job.

Good luck to him.
 
I’m just sad cause I remember him breaking in to the team when I was a kid and he is my childhood hero as a player and now he’s a manager it just means I’m getting old watching all my favourite players retire and become managers and I’m now getting to the point where I’m older than most of the squad too.
 
There's never really a right time though when it comes to management. .

True, but I do think there's a wrong time. Learning is not just an option. If he'd spent two years at the Academy, then fine, try a big job, but nine and a bit months? During which time he's already thrown a wobbly because a couple of his best players were 'borrowed' by the first team squad? It can sometimes work if you know the club in question inside and out, and inherit a good squad, but he knows little about Rangers and is inheriting not just a poor squad but one that's rotten to the core. He needs special skills to deal with all of that, practised skills, and he's thrown away a very promising chance to acquire them. It's hubris.
 
I love the way his ex player and media buddies have circled around him to say he'll do a great job there. Are they just saying that because they're his mate? Or because they're stupid? Or because it'll make the crash all the more awesome?
 
I guess he could go down the short-term Redknapp-style route and recruit old pros past their best to steady the ship and use their nous (and the rumour that Skrtel might be his first signing is a bit ominous in that sense), but it's really hard to move on from that to evolve a younger side - and Gregory flipping Vignal is mainly responsible for bringing through 'elite' talent from the academy there, so he might as well ask the cat. If he is determined to be braver and start the squad over again and develop a new style of play from scratch, he'll probably face at least a season of thumpings while he does it, and Barnes could tell him how patiently that will be monitored.
 
The only path to getting through this is old pros from our league as a quick fix. It's whether they'll bother playing for ten bob a week.
 
There was something in BBC Gossip column today about him wanting to take Solanke on loan.

Would that be a good move for Solanke?
 
There was something in BBC Gossip column today about him wanting to take Solanke on loan.

Would that be a good move for Solanke?
Think it'd be a death knell for him.

Championship would be better for him
 
Think it'd be a death knell for him.

Championship would be better for him
Wanayama and Van Dyjk did all right for their spell in Scotland.
Ward too.
Is it really that bad as I never watch it.?
 
I'd happily see Solanke out on loan to see if regular games can help him live up to the promise he showed pre-season. I would be more reluctant if he had shown the ability to slot into our front 3, effectively, in the few and far between chances he's had.
 
Wanayama and Van Dyjk did all right for their spell in Scotland.
Ward too.
Is it really that bad as I never watch it.?
Moving their initially is a good development , i just think it's likely he'll never play for us again if he goes there.
 
With one of Gerrard's gangster mates turning up dead in a park yesterday morning maybe there are other reasons for a hasty decision to leave the city, again.
 
With one of Gerrard's gangster mates turning up dead in a park yesterday morning maybe there are other reasons for a hasty decision to leave the city, again.
That sounds like an interesting tale.
 
Have we ruled out the possibility that the music of Phil Collins might still be popular in Glasgow?
 
That sounds like an interesting tale.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/who-john-kinsella-gangland-fixer-14621791


Who was John Kinsella? 'Gangland fixer' who helped Steven Gerrard shot dead

53-year-old was influential figure who had the audacity to appeal a jail sentence while on the run

By
Joe Thomas
  • 10:02, 6 MAY 2018
  • UPDATED20:04, 6 MAY 2018





Gangland enforcer John Kinsella had been an influential figure within Merseyside’s underworld.
A martial arts expert who hailed from the streets of Everton, he had the sway to stop a thug nicknamed The Psycho from threatening to “maim” Steven Gerrard .

He even had the audacity to appeal a jail sentence while he was on the run - actually winning a reduction in the punishment he was refusing to serve.
Kinsella’s reputation went national when Gerrard’s name was introduced to jurors hearing robbery allegations against Kinsella at a Lincoln Crown Court trial in 2008.

Then 43, he was one of four men accused of taking part in a robbery at a haulage depot in Grantham in which more than £41,000 of detergent, Easter eggs and Pringles were stolen.
During the March 2006 robbery, a night watchman was tied up by a gang of up to nine men wearing balaclavas and camouflage clothing.
No weapons were carried, but the victim was hit with his own stick after it fell out of his pocket.

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A photo from 2008 of John Kinsella (Image: Lincolnshire Police/PA Wire)
Kinsella was captured on the outskirts of Greater Manchester after a high-speed chase with police on the A1 and M62.
He always denied the allegations, using his trial to claim he was in the area to collect a £100,000 debt.
That he had such a role was a key part of his defence, an argument bolstered by him being able to turn to the Gerrard family for their support in the case.

Jurors in the robbery trial were told he was contacted by the star’s family after the former Reds captain was “terrorised” by a mobster known as The Psycho.
Kinsella said the man responsible, George Bromley Jnr, was a “violent figure” whose father, another gangland enforcer, had been “executed”.
He claimed he spoke to George Bromley and from then on Bromley left Gerrard alone.

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Pictured are forensic investigators at the scene (Image: Liverpool Echo)
The court was later read a letter from Gerrard’s father Paul – obtained after Kinsella went to his home – in which the claims were confirmed.
Mr Gerrard said that, for two years, The Psycho attempted to extort money from his son – and threatened to “maim” him – until Kinsella stepped in.
Mr Gerrard, whose letter was confirmed as genuine by police, said he and his son had “total respect” for Kinsella.
Despite that evidence Kinsella was convicted - though he was no longer under the gaze of the authorities when the verdicts were delivered after absconding just as his trial was coming to an end.
While on the run he had the audacity to challenge the 14 year, three month sentence given in his absence.

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Road closures were immediately put in place, with part of the M62 slip road heading towards to Liverpool blocked off (Image: Liverpool Echo)
Appeal judges agreed his jail term was “manifestly excessive” and reduced it by three years, with Lord Justice Moses saying he found it a “curious business” that a man on the run from the law was appealing a sentence when he was not even in custody.
After 11 months on the run he was hauled back to the UK after being arrested at gunpoint by armed police in Amsterdam.
Kinsella, a judo and jujitsu expert, had already served a nine-year prison term when he was contacted by the Gerrards.



I fell down a rabbit hole reading about this, yesterday.

Messy as fuck.
 
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