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Steven Gerrard: 'I disagree with Liverpool's youth-only policy'

Liverpool's captain says it is right to pursue bright, young players but wrong to exclude experienced players like Frank Lampard
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Liverpool's Steven Gerrard rates Luis Suárez as 'the best centre-forward I've played with'. Photograph: John Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images

There is still a place for a wise, older head at Brendan Rodgers's Liverpool as Steven Gerrard has shown by appearing in every minute of every Premier League game this season. The manager has spoken of securing the 32-year-old's enduring influence on a new contract too. Ever present, in demand and captain for club and country; yet he is nagged by the suspicion that experience is not truly appreciated at Anfield and beyond.

Gerrard may find reassurance on Sunday at Old Trafford, where Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes are pursuing another league title at 39 and 38 respectively, though dwelling on success at Manchester United brings little comfort to a Liverpool captain from Huyton. Frank Lampard's invitation to a free transfer at Chelsea merely prompts bewilderment. Closer to home it is not simply the passage of time and an inclination to grasp responsibility that has taken Gerrard into the elder statesman category at Anfield but the transfer policy of the club's owners, Fenway Sports Group.

FSG, understandably scarred by excesses under Kenny Dalglish and Damien Comolli, refused Rodgers the £6m signing of Clint Dempsey in August largely on account of the then Fulham player's age, 29, and lack of resale value. The oldest player Liverpool have paid a transfer fee for in over 12 months is Oussama Assaidi, who arrived from Heerenveen two days after his 24th birthday. Fabio Borini was signed at 21, Joe Allen at 22, Samed Yesil at 18 and Daniel Sturridge at 23. The strategy suits the appointment of a coach with Rodgers' background in youth development and represents FSG's intention for a fresh start. Their own captain, however, is unconvinced.

"I disagree with the policy to be honest," Gerrard says. "I've seen many signings throughout the world who have gone to clubs at the age of 28, 29 or even older and done fantastic jobs. Gary McAllister when he came here, for one. The main example at the moment is, if Chelsea don't keep Frank Lampard and another big club comes in and gets him and he produces top attacking midfield performances for the next two years. Someone is going to get a bargain. What is he, 34?

"I can understand the policy that everyone wants young, bright, British players. I can understand it but I don't agree 100% that that should be the only way. I think you've got to add experience to young gifted players as well because in this league and at this level you need experience. I learned bucket loads from Gary McAllister. I look at Aston Villa now and the majority of them are going to be fantastic players in time but in my opinion that team needs two or three old heads to guide them. Stilian Petrov is a big miss for them. To be successful at this level you need to get the mix right."

Gerrard makes a point of stressing that this is not a personal plea for a new deal. Rodgers is making the right noises in that regard and the midfielder has 18 months left on his contract, though he will be 34 when that expires and 34-year-old Jamie Carragher has not been offered an extension beyond this season. "The manager has told me he wants me around for a long time so I suppose it is different at the moment," he says. "I think I can play another three or four years. I'm not saying I want a contract for that length, nothing of the sort, but nothing has been spoken of yet.

"It is not my business what Chelsea do but, if they don't renew Frank's contract, someone else is going to get a really good player for a few years. Once your Terrys and your Lampards are gone I think they'll be appreciated even more. That's the way football is. It's a bit similar at United when Scholes and Giggs eventually move on. That's the reason Alex Ferguson is holding on to them. If someone of his calibre -– someone who's achieved what he has in the game and with his knowledge – knows how important it is to keep those players it tells you how important experience and top pros are."

The importance of the old guard is reflected in United's position at the top of the Premier League, 21 points above the club that Ferguson insists remain his greatest rivals. Gerrard believes Liverpool's season would have been transformed had they won a controversial encounter at Anfield in September, when Jonjo Shelvey collected an early red card and Robin van Persie won the game for United with a disputed late penalty. He is also adamant Liverpool are progressing under Rodgers. But to enter Old Trafford that far adrift pains Gerrard as deeply as any Liverpool supporter.

"Losing at Old Trafford and Goodison is the worst, although I never lose at Goodison!" says Gerrard, whose last appearance at United in a game refereed by Howard Webb, as this one will be, ended in a red card after 32 minutes. "We are not on the level of City and United. The table is evidence of that. But I don't think we're a million miles away. We're eighth in the league and it's not good enough. To be eighth and see United flying high again, of course it hurts. But what can you do? You have to keep fighting and try to catch them. Everyone knows we're behind. What we can do to get up to their level is bring in better players too.

"We were very unfortunate not to beat United earlier in the season because we were in complete control even when we went down to 10 men. If we'd won that game we'd have got a lot of momentum from it. We're underdogs in this game. There's no pressure on us because United are expected to beat us and beat us well. They probably have the best player in the league on current form, they've not lost at home for a long time, so all pressure's on them because they're massive favourites."

Gerrard's choice of the Premier League's finest player reinforces his belief in not only keeping experience but purchasing it. Van Persie, like Dempsey, is also 29 but that did not deter United from paying £24m for the striker in their quest to reclaim the title from their neighbours. In Luis Suárez, however, Liverpool have their own outstanding forward, one Gerrard believes shares this season's accolades with Van Persie.

"Michu's surprised a few and he's flying but I think Luis and Van Persie are the two hottest centre-forwards in the league by a long way," he says. "Van Persie has done it for years at Arsenal, he's a top player. I love watching him but Luis is the best centre-forward I've played with. He probably won't get the credit he deserves after everything that's happened and everything he's been through but he will from me. Imagine being a defender marking him. He can score fantastic goals, tap-ins, if he gets you in the box you're in trouble, he's a fighter and he's a winner. He doesn't like losing even in training. He ticks every box for me."
Which leads neatly into the latest controversy to involve the Uruguay international; his handball in scoring the winner against Mansfield Town in the FA Cup last Sunday and the outrage that followed. Gerrard is asked to imagine a similar predicament against United. It is the last minute at Old Trafford and he scores the winning goal using a hand. What would he do?

"I celebrate," he says. "I'm not going to lie and say I would run to the linesman or referee and say I've handballed it at Old Trafford. What would Wayne Rooney do? What did [goalkeeper] Roy Carroll do all those years ago when the ball was four yards over the line? I didn't see Alex Ferguson or Roy Carroll run to the referee or linesman and say it was over, did you?

"That's football. These things happen. You don't go out to intentionally handball and I don't think Luis did it intentionally. You could tell by the way he kicked the ball into the net that he was waiting for the referee to blow up. I'm not saying it's right but have Mansfield never had a bit of luck or an incorrect decision go their way? Put it this way, I don't think as big a deal would have been made of it had it been Daniel Sturridge."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/11/steven-gerrard-disagree-liverpool-youth

Not much to disagree with here. A gentle slap in the face for Torres, too. I also think he's bang on about the handball incident.
 
The headline is misleading. Liverpool clearly don't have a 'youth-only' policy, as SG himself knows. Yes we're developing lots of youth, but partly through necessity. We tried to buy Dempsey in the last transfer window FFS.
 
Right now it's right thing to do, once we become good again we'll start adding more experienced players.


We'd be good again far more quickly if we brought in one or two excellent older players. What's being conflated is buying experienced players and paying too much for them. The two don't have to go together. At the moment we don't just have a young side, we have a painfully naive young side.
 
We'd be good again far more quickly if we brought in one or two excellent older players. What's being conflated is buying experienced players and paying too much for them. The two don't have to go together. At the moment we don't just have a young side, we have a painfully naive young side.
As much as I like that post, I think that in this era it's pretty hard to find excellent experienced players on the cheap.
Scum paid 24m for Van Persie, Sneijder's wages will most likely be huge. Dempsey wasn't cheap either, and I think he's shite.
It'll be like a miracle to find another Gary Mac.
 
We'd be good again far more quickly if we brought in one or two excellent older players. What's being conflated is buying experienced players and paying too much for them. The two don't have to go together. At the moment we don't just have a young side, we have a painfully naive young side.

We're further away from being a title contender than two good players. Therefore buying two experienced players for the short term is pointless
 
Well done to him for speaking out. It's stupid of FSG to be so dogmatic.

I'm not sure they are. We tried to sign Dempsey and we definitely put the feelers out to sign Huuntelar if people in the know are to be trusted. This headline is typically sensational and there is nothing in SG's comments here to suggest he is commenting directly upon Liverpool's policies at all here.
 
Well done to him for speaking out. It's stupid of FSG to be so dogmatic.

Let me get this straight, you are crediting Gerrard with questioning his teams transfer policy and complimenting the work of Ferguson, the day before we play them?
 
We're further away from being a title contender than two good players. Therefore buying two experienced players for the short term is pointless

It's not pointless if we are only two good players from getting back in the CL, though.
 
We're further away from being a title contender than two good players. Therefore buying two experienced players for the short term is pointless

Neville Southall said today that Everton have a good enough squad to finish top four, but need two quality additions to get to the semis of the CL.

Now that's blind optimism there.
 
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LOL it's like he predicted his own future. In a training kit at Stoke's Britannia stadium.
 
Let me get this straight, you are crediting Gerrard with questioning his teams transfer policy and complimenting the work of Ferguson, the day before we play them?

He's in an interview, Fark - what's he supposed to do? United are an excellent example of how important experience is.

Some of the posters don't seem to get the point; signing two experienced players now doesn't mean we're going to win the title within two years. What it would do is ensure that, in two years, the players we have will be much further along the development track than if we don't sign them.

Our players would have been incapable of handling that run to Istanbul in '05 if not for the experience that Gary Mac bought to them 3 years earlier. Too many people think that cause he wasn't at the club any more he'd had no role in that victory. For me that was Houlliers greatest achievement - and one which successive managers after him have been unable to replicate.

I'd be willing to bet that this example has played an important part in Ferguson keeping players like Scholes and Giggs around. Wouldn't be the first time he'd learnt a bit from us.
 
He's in an interview, Fark - what's he supposed to do?

He's supposed to be a captain the day before a Derby. I don't think it matters so much, and I long accepted that he's awkward with the press and has no sense of how to present things, but the timing on this is silly.

I don't accept his premise that we won't under any circumstance buy older players, but it is an area where it's very hard to find value. We've failed to find value in all sorts of other ways. We've had older players in the team through the last many years, and now he's that older guard, though I can't see his wealth of experience translating to other players as it would with say, Hyppia, because I just don't think Gerrard is a teacher in that way most of the time.

Ferguson should be credited for winning consistently, and it is that consistency through the sides he's built that have allowed him to introduce youth without putting them under overwhelming pressure, or burning them out, as well as being able to have the funds to have older quality sitting on the bench and protect their legs. It's not the same for our much worse team.

And above all that, he should not be credited for anything right now.
 
To be honest, I think that sort of thinking - never talk about your rivals etc - is over rated.

Ferguson talked about us all the time and it hasn't given them any issues.

The mancs have been a bloody force for years with nothing in midfield of any note..... except some experienced, wise old heads. They're the ultimate example of keeping experience in there when most others would have said "sell". We're about to play them and they're top of the league - if he's making a point about experience then that's the time to point it out.

We'd be mugs not to learn from them cause they've learnt from us for decades.

Beyond that, Gerrard is starting to put in the performances that are more reminsicent of, well, Gerrard. Any of our youth who don't try to learn from the way he does things shouldn't be here to start with cause they're obviously too dumb for us to be paying them. His example in training, taking care of himself is what should be around the club.

Most players in professional sports learn by watching their peers - not by listening to them. They see them in training, they watch them compete, they see the little things they do and they realise that's what's required to be successful. If they were told these things they'd most likely brush them off cause, at that age, they're a little "too cool for school" and don't want to be viewed as a kid or some no name. But they watch and this is what Gerrard is doing now and a couple more experienced heads like his would be great.
 
I appreciate much of what you are saying Wizardry, and I'm in agreement with the spirit of it, but there's no evidence we won't consider buying experience. I think we have a youth focused policy at present, not a youth only policy. It's only the last year we bought all young players, and that's only because we missed out on Dempsey.

Who have we flogged because they are old for no good reason? Is it Kuyt? I can certainly see him as a player who is a model for others to follow, before that the last player was Murphy but this was more for his lackluster performances and taking a look at the midfield we had a couple years later, it looked quite sensible in retrospect. We've also bought players like Bellamy and Cole in recent memory. Bellamy was a great example of what to do right, and Cole was an example of how fucking expensive it is when you get it wrong, there's just no way to recover any significant investment that goes sour.

In the end it's a bit irrelevant in the sense that the number one thing we've failed to profile correctly in the 100s of millions we wasted wasn't age, it was just value. Look at the difference though, even amongst all these players we've overpaid on. Some club will spend several million on Carroll at some point, and if we wanted to get rid of Henderson, we'd have no bother at all, despite a mixed bag of performances, for precisely the same reason I hope he'll come good. Downing will prove more difficult, hence why we've been advertising how we don't want him for the entire season.

And regarding talking about our opponents, sure we should talk about them, we can make niggling little remarks like Ferguson does before the match, complementing their transfer policy though?
 
Look at the difference though, even amongst all these players we've overpaid on. Some club will spend several million on Carroll at some point, and if we wanted to get rid of Henderson, we'd have no bother at all, despite a mixed bag of performances, for precisely the same reason I hope he'll come good. Downing will prove more difficult, hence why we've been advertising how we don't want him for the entire season.

Carroll has no place here anymore. Downing has put in a great shift in the last 3 months and everytime Henderson comes on he seems eager and very comfortable. I wouldnt discard those 2 blokes yet. Henderson may get a shot at another big club with his age, but Downing is playing for his career right now. Anyway, you can see it in both of the, they're both playing far better than they have been since the arrived, and it's not just to put themselves in the shop window either!
 
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