I agree with hansern, if you have two CMs who aren't continually giving the opposition the ball then there will be less of a need to protect the defense because we will have more of the ball.
gerrard and meireles
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The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
Play the diamond formation with Cole at the tip and Poulsen at the base. Fuck width, we don't have anyone good enough to play on the wings anyway. Have Torres and Babel pulling wide to provide width down the flanks if neccesary, a la Henry. Push the fullbacks up too. Then get Gerrard, Cole and Meireles bursting from midfield.
Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Agger
Konchesky
Poulsen
Meireles
Gerrard
Cole
Torres
Babel or Kuyt or N'gog or Jovanovic.
Torres gets support.
Gerrard gets to play box to box.
Cole gets to play in the central and 'float'.
Poulsen will not get overrun in midfield.
Johnson and Konchesky can push up more.
Babel plays. 😉
All our best players get to be on the pitch at the same time.
Reina
Johnson
Carragher
Agger
Konchesky
Poulsen
Meireles
Gerrard
Cole
Torres
Babel or Kuyt or N'gog or Jovanovic.
Torres gets support.
Gerrard gets to play box to box.
Cole gets to play in the central and 'float'.
Poulsen will not get overrun in midfield.
Johnson and Konchesky can push up more.
Babel plays. 😉
All our best players get to be on the pitch at the same time.
The need for a winger that can recieve the ball and carry it forward with pace is also something we desperatly need.
On sunday Joe Cole did this a couple of times, and it created our chances tbh.
We've been lacking this forever though, so I'm not holding my breath on solving it in the near future. Let's hope Raheem is ready to step up in a few years. We probably won't have signed someone in that mold by then.
On sunday Joe Cole did this a couple of times, and it created our chances tbh.
We've been lacking this forever though, so I'm not holding my breath on solving it in the near future. Let's hope Raheem is ready to step up in a few years. We probably won't have signed someone in that mold by then.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179066#msg1179066 date=1285070018]
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
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totally agree keni, hold a high line and when we lose the ball hunt it down in packs to recover the ball as quickly as possible.
we are to static, rigid and defend too deep, it makes it extremely difficult to pick out passes. torres is isolated and is crowded out when the ball belatedly reaches him. I'm all for gerrard being partnered by meireles and the likes of lucas and poulsen only being called upon when we want to close out the game.
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
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totally agree keni, hold a high line and when we lose the ball hunt it down in packs to recover the ball as quickly as possible.
we are to static, rigid and defend too deep, it makes it extremely difficult to pick out passes. torres is isolated and is crowded out when the ball belatedly reaches him. I'm all for gerrard being partnered by meireles and the likes of lucas and poulsen only being called upon when we want to close out the game.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179066#msg1179066 date=1285070018]
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
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Agree totally about the deep defensive line - it's really stupid, especially at Anfield. It would also help if our wingers made forward runs into space occasionally.
At Old Trafford we just passed it slowly around in triangles that never got any closer to United's penalty area. It looked more like a training exercise than a match.
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
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Agree totally about the deep defensive line - it's really stupid, especially at Anfield. It would also help if our wingers made forward runs into space occasionally.
At Old Trafford we just passed it slowly around in triangles that never got any closer to United's penalty area. It looked more like a training exercise than a match.
I don't think Cole like's playing out on the left flank at all and I think it showed on Sunday. He has a sense of urgency about him when playing in the hole and wants to make things happen. I agree with Pesam a centre midfield trio of Gerrard, Merciless and Cole would be our best option especially at home.
I also think Torres would benefit from from Cole's trickery around the box. Has Torres played a full game with Cole behind him?
I also think Torres would benefit from from Cole's trickery around the box. Has Torres played a full game with Cole behind him?
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=41984.msg1179079#msg1179079 date=1285071477]
I don't think Cole like's playing out on the left flank at all and I think it showed on Sunday. He has a sense of urgency about him when playing in the hole and wants to make things happen. I agree with Pesam a centre midfield trio of Gerrard, Merciless and Cole would be our best option especially at home.
I also think Torres would benefit from from Cole's trickery around the box. Has Torres played a full game with Cole behind him?
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I definately think it should be
----------gerrard-----meireles-------------
-------------------cole------------------------
-----------------torres-----------------------
cole as a traditional number 10
gerrard and meireles taking turns to hold and attack
kuyt on the right and take your pick for someone on the left.
I don't think Cole like's playing out on the left flank at all and I think it showed on Sunday. He has a sense of urgency about him when playing in the hole and wants to make things happen. I agree with Pesam a centre midfield trio of Gerrard, Merciless and Cole would be our best option especially at home.
I also think Torres would benefit from from Cole's trickery around the box. Has Torres played a full game with Cole behind him?
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I definately think it should be
----------gerrard-----meireles-------------
-------------------cole------------------------
-----------------torres-----------------------
cole as a traditional number 10
gerrard and meireles taking turns to hold and attack
kuyt on the right and take your pick for someone on the left.
One of the Fulham players said in an interview last week, that after Hughes took over the team is playing higher up the pitch and are pressing more than they did under Hodgson. So, I fear that this defensive line will be kept low in the future, unless Roy decides to alter his tactics a bit.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179066#msg1179066 date=1285070018]
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
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Agree totally about the deep defensive line - it's really stupid, especially at Anfield. It would also help if our wingers made forward runs into space occasionally.
At Old Trafford we just passed it slowly around in triangles that never got any closer to United's penalty area. It looked more like a training exercise than a match.
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We now have enough pace at the back to keep resorting to this. Konchesky and Agger/Skrtel are not slow. Johnson is pretty nippy. Carra is really the only slow player. The lack of courage we have displayed so far this season has been the biggest disappointment. I did not expect miracles from Roy Hodgson, and the results we have achieved is understandable considering the situation and the fixtures. But the lack of guts on display is quite disgusting - and i would lay the blame squarely on Roy Hodgson's (lack of)tactics for this.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179066#msg1179066 date=1285070018]
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
[/quote]
Agree totally about the deep defensive line - it's really stupid, especially at Anfield. It would also help if our wingers made forward runs into space occasionally.
At Old Trafford we just passed it slowly around in triangles that never got any closer to United's penalty area. It looked more like a training exercise than a match.
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We now have enough pace at the back to keep resorting to this. Konchesky and Agger/Skrtel are not slow. Johnson is pretty nippy. Carra is really the only slow player. The lack of courage we have displayed so far this season has been the biggest disappointment. I did not expect miracles from Roy Hodgson, and the results we have achieved is understandable considering the situation and the fixtures. But the lack of guts on display is quite disgusting - and i would lay the blame squarely on Roy Hodgson's (lack of)tactics for this.
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41984.msg1179074#msg1179074 date=1285070712]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179066#msg1179066 date=1285070018]
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
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Agree totally about the deep defensive line - it's really stupid, especially at Anfield. It would also help if our wingers made forward runs into space occasionally.
At Old Trafford we just passed it slowly around in triangles that never got any closer to United's penalty area. It looked more like a training exercise than a match.
[/quote]
We now have enough pace at the back to keep resorting to this. Konchesky and Agger/Skrtel are not slow. Johnson is pretty nippy. Carra is really the only slow player. The lack of courage we have displayed so far this season has been the biggest disappointment. I did not expect miracles from Roy Hodgson, and the results we have achieved is understandable considering the situation and the fixtures. But the lack of guts on display is quite disgusting - and i would lay the blame squarely on Roy Hodgson's (lack of)tactics for this.
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a defense holding a high line isn't entirely dependent on pace as we held a high defensive line (that included sami), when rafa first arrived. if the defenders can read the game and position themselves accordingly they wont get done for pace as they will snuff out danger early rather than needing a last ditch tackle.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41984.msg1179074#msg1179074 date=1285070712]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179066#msg1179066 date=1285070018]
The need for someone to hold the ball up alongside Torres is only important if we're intent on lumping the ball up front.
The reason we lose the ball so often - at least in the first half of games - is because we're sat very deep and attempt to play impossible passes to an isolated Torres who is expected to chase and make something out of nothing. Either that or we labour around in midfield and zip passes to tightly marked forwards with their back to goal.
The team needs to play higher up the pitch, increase the energy levels and start pressing the opposition far more and lastly, stop passing the ball like a bunch of cunts.
[/quote]
Agree totally about the deep defensive line - it's really stupid, especially at Anfield. It would also help if our wingers made forward runs into space occasionally.
At Old Trafford we just passed it slowly around in triangles that never got any closer to United's penalty area. It looked more like a training exercise than a match.
[/quote]
We now have enough pace at the back to keep resorting to this. Konchesky and Agger/Skrtel are not slow. Johnson is pretty nippy. Carra is really the only slow player. The lack of courage we have displayed so far this season has been the biggest disappointment. I did not expect miracles from Roy Hodgson, and the results we have achieved is understandable considering the situation and the fixtures. But the lack of guts on display is quite disgusting - and i would lay the blame squarely on Roy Hodgson's (lack of)tactics for this.
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a defense holding a high line isn't entirely dependent on pace as we held a high defensive line (that included sami), when rafa first arrived. if the defenders can read the game and position themselves accordingly they wont get done for pace as they will snuff out danger early rather than needing a last ditch tackle.
Konchesky is pretty slow, and while I do agree with the general point about the CBs being able to play a high line even without blistering pace if they're positionally sound, you do ideally want at least one of the CB partners to be quick.
A good example of this was Hansen and Lawro; Jocky was never really that quick, but read the game like a defensive version of King Kenny, and when he was occasionally simply *done* by a bit of pace or amazing skill, there was always the blistering speed and slide-tackling genius of Mark Lawrenson to bail us out.
Great defences are built on great partnerships, good understanding of space and complimentary skillsets. We are sorely lacking at the moment.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41984.msg1179126#msg1179126 date=1285075424]
Konchesky is pretty slow, and while I do agree with the general point about the CBs being able to play a high line even without blistering pace if they're positionally sound, you do ideally want at least one of the CB partners to be quick.
A good example of this was Hansen and Lawro; Jocky was never really that quick, but read the game like a defensive version of King Kenny, and when he was occasionally simply *done* by a bit of pace or amazing skill, there was always the blistering speed and slide-tackling genius of Mark Lawrenson to bail us out.
Great defences are built on great partnerships, good understanding of space and complimentary skillsets. We are sorely lacking at the moment.
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our best defensive partnership for ages was sami and carra.
you had the organisation skills of carra
you had sami who was supreme in the air
you had sami who read the game better than any defender I have ever seen
you have carra who was a superb tackler
great partnership. when you have defenders this good it makes sense to build on that, invite pressure and hit teams on the counter attack, this tactic however makes less sense if we aren't dominant when dealing with crosses anymore and holding a high line is a no no when one of the center backs is extremely suspect positionally.
Konchesky is pretty slow, and while I do agree with the general point about the CBs being able to play a high line even without blistering pace if they're positionally sound, you do ideally want at least one of the CB partners to be quick.
A good example of this was Hansen and Lawro; Jocky was never really that quick, but read the game like a defensive version of King Kenny, and when he was occasionally simply *done* by a bit of pace or amazing skill, there was always the blistering speed and slide-tackling genius of Mark Lawrenson to bail us out.
Great defences are built on great partnerships, good understanding of space and complimentary skillsets. We are sorely lacking at the moment.
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our best defensive partnership for ages was sami and carra.
you had the organisation skills of carra
you had sami who was supreme in the air
you had sami who read the game better than any defender I have ever seen
you have carra who was a superb tackler
great partnership. when you have defenders this good it makes sense to build on that, invite pressure and hit teams on the counter attack, this tactic however makes less sense if we aren't dominant when dealing with crosses anymore and holding a high line is a no no when one of the center backs is extremely suspect positionally.
We've been playing to deep for a while and thats because of this 4-2-3-1 with two holding midfielders and gerrard droping back even behind them at times, leaving Torres completely alone up front.
Gerrard is a CM, thats his natural position, he wants to dictate the game. Let him do this and play him in the middle. Like he did with England.
Meireles next or just behind him and 2 strikers.
Gerrard is a CM, thats his natural position, he wants to dictate the game. Let him do this and play him in the middle. Like he did with England.
Meireles next or just behind him and 2 strikers.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179128#msg1179128 date=1285075468]
We don't have to hold a high line, but when the opposition has the ball I've noticed we bring everyone back into our own half and they're effectively free to pass it about at will on the halfway line.
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That's what Budgie-face wants, he did it at Fulham too. As soon as we lose possession, the players have to go back to a set starting position and wait to be attacked.
We don't have to hold a high line, but when the opposition has the ball I've noticed we bring everyone back into our own half and they're effectively free to pass it about at will on the halfway line.
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That's what Budgie-face wants, he did it at Fulham too. As soon as we lose possession, the players have to go back to a set starting position and wait to be attacked.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41984.msg1179138#msg1179138 date=1285076106]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179128#msg1179128 date=1285075468]
We don't have to hold a high line, but when the opposition has the ball I've noticed we bring everyone back into our own half and they're effectively free to pass it about at will on the halfway line.
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That's what Budgie-face wants, he did it at Fulham too. As soon as we lose possession, the players have to go back to a set starting position and wait to be attacked.
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it's rubbish. instead of going to the ball, we are waiting for the ball to come to us. fucking rubbish.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41984.msg1179128#msg1179128 date=1285075468]
We don't have to hold a high line, but when the opposition has the ball I've noticed we bring everyone back into our own half and they're effectively free to pass it about at will on the halfway line.
[/quote]
That's what Budgie-face wants, he did it at Fulham too. As soon as we lose possession, the players have to go back to a set starting position and wait to be attacked.
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it's rubbish. instead of going to the ball, we are waiting for the ball to come to us. fucking rubbish.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
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there seems to be an eagerness to shoehorn poulsen into the side? WHY?
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
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there seems to be an eagerness to shoehorn poulsen into the side? WHY?
There isn't any eagerness ti shoe horn Poulsen into the side. I for one recognise that it would a waste to expect Gerrard to be disciplined as a holding/defensive midfielder when he offers us invention and a genuine goal threat further up. Poulsen can fill that role.
Roy is undecided as to what Raul's best position is. That is surprising considering that he bought him.
Roy is undecided as to what Raul's best position is. That is surprising considering that he bought him.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
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Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Woy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
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Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Woy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
[/quote]
Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
[/quote]
Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41984.msg1179155#msg1179155 date=1285078705]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
[/quote]
Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
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baffling tactics from roy, it was only when meireles dropped deeper that we started to get into the game, and then when meireles was actually influencing the game roy removed him. ha ha fucking hell...
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
[/quote]
Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
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baffling tactics from roy, it was only when meireles dropped deeper that we started to get into the game, and then when meireles was actually influencing the game roy removed him. ha ha fucking hell...
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41984.msg1179155#msg1179155 date=1285078705]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
[/quote]
Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
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I dont think that was Hodgson's intention
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
[/quote]
Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
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I dont think that was Hodgson's intention
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179159#msg1179159 date=1285078954]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41984.msg1179155#msg1179155 date=1285078705]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
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Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
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I dont think that was Hodgson's intention
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What? So Meireles and Gerrard just decided to play that way?
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41984.msg1179155#msg1179155 date=1285078705]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179152#msg1179152 date=1285078429]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179145#msg1179145 date=1285076676]
Play Poulsen with Meireles in the middle with Gerrard behind Torres, Joe on the left and Magic on the right and we're sorted.
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Hmm have you watched the match against ManU? Bar Johnson, thats exactly how Roy picked his team.
Gerrard was supposed to be behind Torres but naturally he's looking for the ball in the middle and dictate the game. Leaving Torres alone up front with 3 players in the middle 40 yards behind him. Completely unbalanced team.
Only one CM to partner Gerrard is enough and play someone with Torres up front.
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Meireles was in front of Gerrard in that game, certainly in the first half.
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I dont think that was Hodgson's intention
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What? So Meireles and Gerrard just decided to play that way?
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179213#msg1179213 date=1285085009]
Le Chacal, that was Roy's intention because he admitted that he doesn't know Meireles best position.
Since when do our players just do their own thing tactically?
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Yeah, unless something was lost in translation I don't quite get what Toni meant.
Le Chacal, that was Roy's intention because he admitted that he doesn't know Meireles best position.
Since when do our players just do their own thing tactically?
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Yeah, unless something was lost in translation I don't quite get what Toni meant.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=41984.msg1179217#msg1179217 date=1285085129]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179213#msg1179213 date=1285085009]
Le Chacal, that was Roy's intention because he admitted that he doesn't know Meireles best position.
Since when do our players just do their own thing tactically?
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Yeah, unless something was lost in translation I don't quite get what Toni meant.
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I meant Hodgson wanted to play Gerrard behind Torres but as the game went on, Gerrard naturally and a bit unconsciously droped deeper in the middle to get the balls and dictate the game. He's a CM and naturally he wants to be involved in the middle and crate something with the ball rather than being at the end of attacking plays. We found ourselves playing with a pointless trio in the middle and a lonely Torres up front with no links between them. Result is we play too deep and there is a 40 yards gasp between our midfielders and Torres.
The thing is Roy should be aware of this and then play Gerrard in the middle with someone to partner Torres up front.
Id play Meireles and Gerrard in the middle with Torres and Babel(Pacheco) up front. Team would be more balanced and play as a compact unit.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179213#msg1179213 date=1285085009]
Le Chacal, that was Roy's intention because he admitted that he doesn't know Meireles best position.
Since when do our players just do their own thing tactically?
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Yeah, unless something was lost in translation I don't quite get what Toni meant.
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I meant Hodgson wanted to play Gerrard behind Torres but as the game went on, Gerrard naturally and a bit unconsciously droped deeper in the middle to get the balls and dictate the game. He's a CM and naturally he wants to be involved in the middle and crate something with the ball rather than being at the end of attacking plays. We found ourselves playing with a pointless trio in the middle and a lonely Torres up front with no links between them. Result is we play too deep and there is a 40 yards gasp between our midfielders and Torres.
The thing is Roy should be aware of this and then play Gerrard in the middle with someone to partner Torres up front.
Id play Meireles and Gerrard in the middle with Torres and Babel(Pacheco) up front. Team would be more balanced and play as a compact unit.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41984.msg1179256#msg1179256 date=1285086580]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=41984.msg1179217#msg1179217 date=1285085129]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179213#msg1179213 date=1285085009]
Le Chacal, that was Roy's intention because he admitted that he doesn't know Meireles best position.
Since when do our players just do their own thing tactically?
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Yeah, unless something was lost in translation I don't quite get what Toni meant.
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I meant Hodgson wanted to play Gerrard behind Torres but as the game went on, Gerrard naturally and a bit unconsciously droped deeper in the middle to get the balls and dictate the game. He's a CM and naturally he wants to be involved in the middle and crate something with the ball rather than being at the end of attacking plays. We found ourselves playing with a pointless trio in the middle and a lonely Torres up front with no links between them. Result is we play too deep and there is a 40 yards gasp between our midfielders and Torres.
The thing is Roy should be aware of this and then play Gerrard in the middle with someone to partner Torres up front.
Id play Meireles and Gerrard in the middle with Torres and Babel(Pacheco) up front. Team would be more balanced and play as a compact unit.
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That's definitely not what happened, but never mind.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=41984.msg1179217#msg1179217 date=1285085129]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41984.msg1179213#msg1179213 date=1285085009]
Le Chacal, that was Roy's intention because he admitted that he doesn't know Meireles best position.
Since when do our players just do their own thing tactically?
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Yeah, unless something was lost in translation I don't quite get what Toni meant.
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I meant Hodgson wanted to play Gerrard behind Torres but as the game went on, Gerrard naturally and a bit unconsciously droped deeper in the middle to get the balls and dictate the game. He's a CM and naturally he wants to be involved in the middle and crate something with the ball rather than being at the end of attacking plays. We found ourselves playing with a pointless trio in the middle and a lonely Torres up front with no links between them. Result is we play too deep and there is a 40 yards gasp between our midfielders and Torres.
The thing is Roy should be aware of this and then play Gerrard in the middle with someone to partner Torres up front.
Id play Meireles and Gerrard in the middle with Torres and Babel(Pacheco) up front. Team would be more balanced and play as a compact unit.
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That's definitely not what happened, but never mind.
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