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Starmer says the autumn budget will be 'painful'
Starmer said “things are worse than we ever imagined” after discovering a £22bn “black hole” in the public finances. The prime minister is using this argument to warn that the budget – on 30 October – will be “painful”.The prime minister said:
He said “things are worse than we ever imagined”, telling the press conference:
Rachel Reeves, the chancellor, is planning to raise taxes, cut spending and make changes to benefits in October’s budget. Reeves will receive the OBR’s initial assessment of the state of the economy early next month, but she believes there is nothing to suggest the government’s underlying financial position is getting any better. Starmer says it “won’t be business as usual” when parliament returns on Monday.
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Jesus. Any optimism following the election evaporates quickly. You have to wonder what is the point of the OBR if they can be so easily misled. Sunak, and his party, were a plague, and you have to wonder if he called the GE to distance himself from the incoming shit-storm was coming.
Looks like we're in for another year of low growth and stagnation (at best).
I reckon they were deliberately trashing the place.
Austerity doesn't work, but the politicians love it for some reason. I think the UK needs to take notice of Kevin Bridges idea and invade the Caymen Islands.
It always amazes me that so much store is put in politicians of different parties being competent to run the economy of a country. A small number of elected people, people generally elected for their ability to be politic, are not terribly suited to being large nation economists.
Then there’s the whole apparatus of government that supports whoever governs. From my experience they are generally conservative (in personality) people who are left to enact the deranged policies of the government of the day. Unlike in the commercial world they don’t have the route to engage and provide ideas and direction to the “management”. There’s almost a firewall between them. Long term planning is impossible due to the terms of the governments and the shifting sands within them
Paint it anyway you want but I’d suggest the last lot are just as incompetent as the new lot.
Then there’s the whole apparatus of government that supports whoever governs. From my experience they are generally conservative (in personality) people who are left to enact the deranged policies of the government of the day. Unlike in the commercial world they don’t have the route to engage and provide ideas and direction to the “management”. There’s almost a firewall between them. Long term planning is impossible due to the terms of the governments and the shifting sands within them
Paint it anyway you want but I’d suggest the last lot are just as incompetent as the new lot.
They definitely scorched the earth before leaving.
Of course there is. But Keith Starmer is a Tory
It's just the hope that this lot will be less shit and less corrupt than the last lot.
And really all this does is play into the hands of Farage and Reform for the next few election cycles
The Conservative and Unionist Party?
We all KNOW they will unite soon enough. Farage just wants to make them beg
I was thinking they will finally reveal themselves as something beginning with “N”, Nationalist or the Nazi party.
I don't quite see a formal merge of the two parties. More likely at done point there will be some kind of split in Reform - most likely with Farage on one side and Tice on the other.
Depends who ends up as Tory leader I guess.
That said I'm not ruling out Farage landing himself in trouble at some point and getting himself kicked out.
There is. It's called borrowing some more money.
If you really wanted to grasp the nettle you'd have to pause importing people, pause sending money to other countries and review all welfare claimants. In addition you'd likely adopt a more French style healthcare system.
Of course these require leadership which is ditched in favour of ideology and a featherbedded political class and an inert civil service. I've heard these proposals elsewhere, I couldn't possibly comment.
EU member states are working on an updated proposal for a youth mobility scheme with the UK after an earlier paper by the European Commission was rejected out of hand by Labour in April, it has emerged.
EU sources say the 27 countries hope to come up with viable negotiating points for Brussels in coming weeks to feed into the expected negotiations on a reset of EU-UK relations being sought by the British prime minister, Keir Starmer.
It is thought new proposals would also allow Starmer’s team a fresh start on the issue, including a possible counter-proposal, and minimise any political pushback by Eurosceptics.
EU sources say the 27 countries hope to come up with viable negotiating points for Brussels in coming weeks to feed into the expected negotiations on a reset of EU-UK relations being sought by the British prime minister, Keir Starmer.
It is thought new proposals would also allow Starmer’s team a fresh start on the issue, including a possible counter-proposal, and minimise any political pushback by Eurosceptics.
Obviously todays immigrants will themselves age and require pensions and care etc which will in turn require evermore immigrants.
I'm sure there's an optimum population level for resources available but I've not heard it discussed.
That's when the robots start working.
It's about the population pyramid right? It's currently very unbalanced, just need to account for that. Should be reasonablely easy to estimate when that is closer to where it needs to be.
there isn't really any sensible discussion re immigration.
No real stats apart from how many asylum seekers coming in.
It's either let everyone in or let no-one in
There are stats for net migration. They are usually pretty high, particularly so last year, but it's just that the EU migration is much, much lower now.
I suspect the point being made is there are no stats regarding the financial balance of immigration. Contribution to the economy vs impact upon
The idiot view being immigrants are a drain either by replacing ‘native’ workforce (so net negative as increase unemployment) or by being state supported
Hasn’t there been studies that show they make more positive contributions in taxation than they remove via other means?
Yes, was last year I think and something to the effect per head paying more.
I’ve just had flash backs to a video i watched about some bigot saying they are coming here and taking our jobs and all the doctors are foreigners. The interviewer asked if they were trying to get a job as a doctor. The response was “I’ve never went to uni. I didn’t even finish school.”
immigrants paid in £2.5 billion more than they consumed in Government services in the year 1999-2000 (p 316). Immigrants paid in 10% more in taxes than they received in public services and benefits, compared to only a 5% 'surplus' for the UK-born population.
The greatest trick the upper class ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the lower class was the problem.
Interesting sidelight on this question: perhaps it's just the individuals I happen to meet, but the most consistent concerns about immigration that I come across are expressed by my Muslim acquaintances, predominantly Pakistani and Kurdish.
One went viral when he was bemoaning immigrants taking jobs for him being out of work. The man had 2 GCSEs, 1 tooth, and it later turned down was a convicted peado.
