Remind me who scored when we beat City at home this season 1-0?
So he’s scored first (both huge goals for different reasons) against the run away teams in the league this season.
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So he’s scored first (both huge goals for different reasons) against the run away teams in the league this season.
How odd, where does Egyptian come from?
Or are you talking about Mo? That's even worst....who ever labelled him that?
Yes, you've identified two big goals he scored, one in a game where he also missed a penalty. I can't identify the goals he didn't score, because that makes no logical sense.
What I can do is say that you are saying "he carried this team" and I'm wondering, where, with all these big game changing goals, is he carrying this team? To sixth? Fifth? A prayer of 4th?
The whole team has underperformed, bar Allison. If he isn't underperforming according to you, and we are underperforming in general, how is he carrying us?
He is carrying this team in a season where every single one of the outfield players have hit a mental and physical wall after losing out on the quadruple at the death.
The big difference being while others have actually ‘fallen off a cliff’ see Fabhino and Henderson etc, Salah’s ‘lower level’ after last season has been extraordinary when you see the shite served up around him.
If anything this season only highlights how insanely good he is.
Late equaliser away to Fulham first game of the season.
Pulled a goal back away to Utd at 0-2.
Set up both goals at home to Newcastle including a very late winner 2-1.
Opened the scoring in a must win CL game vs Ajax
Set up the first comeback goal when 0-2 down vs Brighton at home.
Winner at home to City.
Opener away to Ajax.
Equaliser vs Leeds at home.
Crucial late opener against Napoli in the CL win.
Both goals away to Spurs in a 2-1 win.
Scored equaliser away to City in the cup.
Opener away to Villa in the league win and set up the second.
Scored to put us ahead vs Wolves in the cup.
Set up the opener in the cup against Brighton.
Scored the opener in the derby.
Set up the first and scored the second at home to Real Madrid.
Scored our equaliser away to City.
Started the comeback at home to Arsenal.
Winner against Forrest.
To say he hasn’t carried this team or done the lions share of scoring the important goals when we needed him more often than not and more often than everyone else combined this season is lazy and not a reflection of reality.
Absolutely he could have done more which is true of every player ever. Absolutely he’s not the same player he once was. But this version of Salah is the least of our concerns and is worth every penny.
We have one of the most recognisable names in world football and he’s still banging in the goals and assists in an apparently awful ‘dropped off a cliff’ season.
Jesus Wept.
To put that another way for you, he’s scored big goals against every team above us in the league often home and away and in the derby.
The man is a freak and a legend and people are judging him against a team that won everything and was full of brilliant players fresh and hungry. This team is anything but.
I think Gerrard’s 10 year Roy of the Rovers act spoilt people.
The man is a freak and a legend and people are judging him against a team that won everything and was full of brilliant players fresh and hungry. This team is anything but.
I think Gerrard’s 10 year Roy of the Rovers act spoilt people.
Overcoming the disappointment of last season - it's not been ignored, but I think it might have been overshadowed by an ageing team, dysfunctional midfield etc. I've always just paid passing attention to it until Spurs got thrashed the other day, and thought, "this bunch have been in a fugue since 2019."
I might have more appreciation for our efforts this season if next season shows us that this was merely an aberration.
I might have more appreciation for our efforts this season if next season shows us that this was merely an aberration.
I think you're onto something here. Although he's declined, Mo's output is still world class. But he's not dragging us back towards trophies singlehandedly.
Now, when we think of Gerrard, we remember him pulling the team up by the scruff. But beyond our CL and FAC run early in Rafa's tenure, we didn't win much with him.
The criticism of Mo isn't that he's garbage - it's that we should have sold him and reinvested to stay at the top. In writing this, I wonder if that means we should have done the same with Gerrard for the sake of the club.
Well that is what Rafa was happy to do.
The key point is though I cannot see a world where we sold Salah for enough money in the summer to get enough players in to stop the rot that set in this season.
If we sold Salah we’d have needed 3/4 players overall and that was never happening.
The pandemic fucked any timing. Hurt the finances of Barca and Real, while the Milan's can't afford him anyway.
Without the pandemic, someone would have bought him for a nine digit fee. Sliding doors.
Let's hope he keeps putting up numbers because you're right that we won't get enough for him to spread across the squad
I think the pressing is entirely the reason Jota’s in the team.
I said this earlier in the season - Jota was up there with Mane & Bobby in terms of his pressing ability - which is why he was interchangeable with either and why we could cover Salah’s less effective pressing.
Nunez stats were more like Salah’s and we can’t have 2 like that in the team with the midfield and defense set up the way it is.
I’d suggest that it’s no surprise that our results have started to look consistently better with Gakpo & Jota starting regularly.
Not sure where Diaz fits in - but I’d say, without knowing for sure, that his pressing stats would be up there too.
That doesn’t mean Nunez is shit or of no use - but it does mean he’s not going to get a regular starting position until that part of his game improves - he can be an effective weapon off the bench against teams tiring or against a high line where his extra pace can hurt them.
I’d say one of Jota, Diaz or Nunez is likely to or should be sold next summer - Diaz would look the least likely at this stage.
I said this earlier in the season - Jota was up there with Mane & Bobby in terms of his pressing ability - which is why he was interchangeable with either and why we could cover Salah’s less effective pressing.
Nunez stats were more like Salah’s and we can’t have 2 like that in the team with the midfield and defense set up the way it is.
I’d suggest that it’s no surprise that our results have started to look consistently better with Gakpo & Jota starting regularly.
Not sure where Diaz fits in - but I’d say, without knowing for sure, that his pressing stats would be up there too.
That doesn’t mean Nunez is shit or of no use - but it does mean he’s not going to get a regular starting position until that part of his game improves - he can be an effective weapon off the bench against teams tiring or against a high line where his extra pace can hurt them.
I’d say one of Jota, Diaz or Nunez is likely to or should be sold next summer - Diaz would look the least likely at this stage.
Klopp said something similar when asked about him recently, to the effect that they knew what a good player they were getting but not how good a guy he's turning out to be. For a manager like him who's absolutely all about the collective that's very important, and rightly so.
Big props also to Virgil for selling the club to him so well. 😎
Let's face it, re the Salah arguement, he's never really been one to carry the team in terms of always being the best player on the pitch, he can be peripheral and still be the match winner, that's nothing new. There are times obviously when he's been excellent and the best player on the pitch, but he's not someone who will carry the team in terms of blood, guts and thrust. He'll score the goals that will make the difference and occasionally do something magical.
He is probably deteriorating, you can see that visibly the way he no longer has that ability to consistently rip teams a new one and put it in the top left, yet he's still essentially "banging them in", just not to the level or with the same accuracy he once was.
I think if anything, it just tells you how high his ceiling actually was, when he's still statistically a top performer while having clearly lost it a bit.
He is probably deteriorating, you can see that visibly the way he no longer has that ability to consistently rip teams a new one and put it in the top left, yet he's still essentially "banging them in", just not to the level or with the same accuracy he once was.
I think if anything, it just tells you how high his ceiling actually was, when he's still statistically a top performer while having clearly lost it a bit.
I can see both Diaz and Doak backing up Mo until his time has gone. Maybe in 2-3 years Doak will be that man but I don't see it as a pressing issue for next season.
Yeah hes not the finished article yet but you can get a clear sense of hilow he will fit into the team. He's on an upward curve now and if he can finish the season we'll you'd back him to be dialed in after a full preseason in the team.
United have a tough run in : Brighton (A), West Ham (A), Wolves (H), Bournemouth (A), Chelsea (H), Fulham (H), City (A). Possibly 9-11 points.
I can see them dropping points in 6 of their remaining 7 games if they aren't on form. But we need to be perfect - we'll be strong favourites to win all of our remaining games (4 at home and 2 away at relegation threatened clubs) but of course more than likely that's not how it'll pan out!
If it goes in our favour we could end up on level points (we have a far superior goal difference), or finishing 2-3 behind them.
Remarkable fans are even bringing the discussion of Nunez being sold up. He's the 2nd or 3rd last player I'd want us to sell.
Fair enough if they can do it well enough when called upon (I've no doubt about Diaz' quality but I'm not sure if it's a job he's done before).
The City game is the FA Cup final - they play Villa at home next.
That’s 4 home games and each remaining game is likely to be against teams with nothing left to play for, bar Villa & Brighton going for Europe.
Their home form’s good - I can’t see them dropping enough points at this stage - nor can U see us winning every game.
We’re a few points short of where we needed to be - we’ll end up in about 65 points with then a little over 70.
The only player I can see being sold is Jota, and that's due to his injury record, but the likelihood is none of our attackers are going anywhere. Klopp doesn't like to sell, he would rather a player runs down his contract.
I usually reserve judgement longer but fuck me those first 7 games he was atrocious with little to no sign of a player who could adapt to the speed and physicality of English football. Not to mention he seemed to hide and couldn’t handle the pressure of what it means to play for Liverpool and the insanely high expectations that come with it.
Absolutely delighted he has proved me and 18 other head hanging fools wrong! He’s been sensational since Utd.
He really wasn't, he was quiet in a few games and others you could see he was trying things which weren't quite coming off and now he's slowly finding his feet is beginning to show more and more.
I'd say even to this day it's still too early to tell, guess your eye for scouting top talent isn't quite as brilliant as you make out?
N'gog though.....
Some people should really never watch another Liverpool game again or be able to post on SCM again, absolutely embarrassing this.
Every one of those 19 people are on my target list to take out 1 by 1! LET THIS BE A LESSON.
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I agree. I doubted him, he looks like a much better long-term fit than Nunez. I think he could do what Bobby has done with maybe even more productivity. A fit and up-to-speed three out of Diaz, Jota, Gakpo and Salah bodes well.
This thread should be archived as a hardcore vault of people who couldn't spot a talent if she's sitting on his face.
Neither can I - but someone’s going to have to be sold next summer if we plan on spending money on transfers.
To be fair, in that situation you’re not likely to be able see much…
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