What's this news that's going to break in the Post tomorrow?! Rumour is, it's a big pile of turd for us? Any insights anyone?
FSG - Saviours or Lizards
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Oh is that all? As long as it's just the 'usual rumours' thats fine.
Let's face it, unless some billionaire comes in and does a City/Chelsea on us and pays for two teams and gets a bandwagon full of shiny new supporters with plazzy flags, NO cunt is gonna be completely happy.
Remember where we were, we've spent alot of money since they came in and if it was spent better we wouldn't be crying over the glass of spilled milk rolling around on the floor, while looking out the window cursing the milk man.
Remember where we were, we've spent alot of money since they came in and if it was spent better we wouldn't be crying over the glass of spilled milk rolling around on the floor, while looking out the window cursing the milk man.
I wish the - unconfirmed - price tags would start be treated with less reverence than the Turin shroud. Pound for pound, given outs and ins, given long term and short term needs, even a year ago wasn't as bad as the Diao/Diouf deals, as far as I'm concerned, and the idea that they were some kind of historic cock-up is far off the mark. Move on (or at least do it net).
What's the point? I loved Kenny, Macca, and wanted him to succeed, he didn't. I made the same points with Rafa so I'm not going to get selective, the point is we bought them, the net spend is irrelevant because we sold players and entrusted someone to replace them with quality, as we did with Rafa, and we got it wrong.
This whole "well we made our money back", or "well the net spend is only X amount" is just excuse making, every club sells and spends, it's what football is all about, some teams lose good players, where a team and manager proves it's weight in gold in the transfer market is when the transfer money is handed over and it's spent well. Where the money came from is neither here nor there.
Diao and Diouf were funded to the tune of £15m, that's the price of Henderson, or just short of a Robbie Keane, or just a bit more than a Djibril Cisse. Money pissed away all over the place, one isn't better than the other, or slightly worse, it's all erratic spending that's put us in a shit hole and blaming lizards for it is like burying a huge turd that's been brewing for 10 years and pretending no one can still smell it.
I know this is the ultimate in football nerdiness, but you really can't compare the Diouf/Diao deals with ones that happened last summer without taking inflation into account. The £18m spent on those 2 and Cheyrou is more like £40m in last summer's terms.
Sound, so it's like Downing and Hendo pretty much then. Glad we got that one clear.
Come on, Mark, I expect you to acknowledge the years (SEVEN???) that have passed and the values that have risen. That's a bit forced. As for Kenny, I expected him to improve the team this season, and if that didn't happen I'd expect whatever followed to suggest the change was worth the upheaval. I haven't seen that yet.
But the whole thing just smacks of hypocrisy Macca. You expected Kenny to improve the team this season, so you thought on the back of a season of poor signings and a poor league campaign that he deserved another go (so did I, but anyway), yet you're having a go at the new regime a few months in because you haven't seen a significant enough change yet. Kenny gets a 6 month promising bedding in period, a season of stagnation, or rather considering the money spent, a step backwards but then get's the benefit of the doubt enough to say that he warranted another go at getting it right. Rodgers on the other hand hasn't yet pulled up trees with less money and only 3 months, so the knives are out.
I am all behind them. If it is anything the history has shown us then it is that the Americans are the ones to run your sports branches.
Let's see how they do over the next two transfer windows ... That will tell us a lot of where we're going. As for overall, despite the few fucks up, I'm more in Whaddapie's boat (anyone that helps make Yankees fans miserable is a-ok by me)
1. I said nothing critical here about Rodgers.
2. If you look back you'll see I've been sceptical of FSG way before he arrived. You're reading everything with preconceived ideas.
They're fucking up at the Red Sox in a big way after a brilliant start. They're fucking up here in big way after saving us from the other yanks and sorting out the debt. Had high hopes, beginning to lose faith. Next transfer windows are crucial.
You said that you've seen nothing to suggest there has been any improvement on Kenny. I know you've been skeptical about FSG, it was more about Rodgers and the way you were prepared to have been patient with Kenny, yet you've made your points known about Rodgers frequently of late. You said yourself in a thread recently that you're not going to pretend to like him, you've labelled him a glorified coach, etc.
It's going round in circles mate anyway, I just take issue with the selectiveness people use regarding transfer funds spent poorly, because of where the money came from, or what the net spend is. It's irrelevant really, unless it's put us under conditions where it's strangulated the life out of our ability to buy the players we want. That certainly wasn't the case with Rafa or Kenny when they were spending £10m-£20m on each player and getting it wrong.
A bad buy is a bad buy. And over the last 4 or 5 years, it's cost us our standing and it's cost us tens of millions. That's not FSG's fault either.
I've actually defended Rodgers in other posts this week, so you can't keep making this argument, and in this thread you're just hijacking it for a rant against me. I wasn't saying anything against Rodgers, I wasn't completely attacking FSG (I said they'd done a couple of things well) but I have a right to object to other issues - as many others have done without your PC Plod interventions - so shut it.
Seriously Macca? I thought it was a good debate, I always enjoy discussions with you and despite not seeing eye to eye over some topics, I still respect what you say and always look out for your posts, you and a few others of our seasoned regulars, because they and you spark good debate. The reply or shift in debate was prompted over the net spend comment, that's all.
Macca had definitely been fairer towards Rodgers this last few days.
In fact I've enjoyed his posts & agreed with most of what he has written.
In fact I've enjoyed his posts & agreed with most of what he has written.
He's so fickle that Macca one!
Rodgers is just looking more and more Mediocre at this point. Yeah yeah yeah, I'll give him time, but again I don't see much managerial leadership, management magic, like some of the best normally have. He's more one of the lads, a follower, than a leader. Telling us a draw is a "terrific point", and that getting better than eighth would be terrific, is again the game of very low expectations, to justify his own problems getting the team playing. I don't think we should be giving him a season to write off. He'll get till December 2014 though, at least. I hope Rafa doesn't have a job by then.
As someone who has no interest in american sports at all, can someone give an unbiased summary of what they are doing wrong at the Red Sox
Linda put the kit in the washing machines at the wrong temperature and now the socks are all pink! The lads have become a major league laughing stock, just wait until the yankees get hold of them. They will be labelled the Boston fag socks before long.
They got lucky with Theo Epstein, who did a great job initially. They lived off his achievements, but then had to eventually move him on, when the going got tough. Replaced him with a poor managerial choice, and results have got worse. That's all i know and I don;t follow the game.
I know what I think, but I'm interested to hear Sean's viewpoint...
In my opinion, after a very sloppy 18 months, they're in the middle of cleaning it all up. Recent decisions have been good - correcting very poor earlier choices, granted - and this off season (from now until late March) will tell us more, but I feel far more positive about our near future than I did one year ago.
In my opinion, after a very sloppy 18 months, they're in the middle of cleaning it all up. Recent decisions have been good - correcting very poor earlier choices, granted - and this off season (from now until late March) will tell us more, but I feel far more positive about our near future than I did one year ago.
Not to mention his obsession with the media
Lucky? How's that? Is every success at managerial / executive level lucky, mo chara?
Cheers mate
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