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God I've been a bit slow...

I'm sat here wondering how Chelsea are getting around FFP.. I know its pretty much dead in the water.. but still.

But they are getting around it with these ludicrous 7.5/8.5 year deals. Am I the last one to click? Probably.

Are they doing a Barcelona and just kicking the can down the road?
 
God I've been a bit slow...

I'm sat here wondering how Chelsea are getting around FFP.. I know its pretty much dead in the water.. but still.

But they are getting around it with these ludicrous 7.5/8.5 year deals. Am I the last one to click? Probably.

Are they doing a Barcelona and just kicking the can down the road?
Pretty much, yes. I can’t see other players wanting such long contracts.
 
Any wondering where the monies gone, alot of it is down to poor business.
  1. letting players walk for free or leaving it till the last 12 months to renegotiate contracts
  2. Paying agents over the odds for players, a strategy that was introduced by Edwards
  3. Paying for stadium and training ground development
  4. Paying a larger upfront fee for players, rather than a uniform staggered approach

Even the Gakpo deals was a struggle, as a bigger chunk had to be paid upfront far more so than the club would like.
 
Over €700m in revenue and €100m in matchday revenue however according to the same source (Deloitte) our debt is €386m
https://www.daveockop.com/fixtures/liverpool-generated-the-most-revenue-ever-in-2022/

@Beamrider any idea why are debt now rivals Man United?

Unfortunately, "debt" is a very loose term so it's difficult to know where they got this from and what is included. If you can find the source article from Deloitte I'd be happy to take a look at it but per our last accounts we were nowhere near that figure for anything I would regard as a sensible measure of debt. I suspect, as with reports of transfer spending, that it'll contain a fair degree of speculation and won't be too accurate. This doesn't even give a point in time for when those figures were produced and it looks like, per their report, that we didn't give them enough information to pull an up to date estimate together.
 
City Football Group expanding it's outreach to Asean too. Interesting to see how/if Singapore can benefit from this.

Geylang are City Football Group’s first Asean partner
[article]Geylang International have become the first Singaporean football club to collaborate with the City Football Group (CFG), one of world football’s richest and most powerful organisations.

In December, The Straits Times reported that they were in talks over a tie-up which would make the Eagles the first South-east Asian team to be associated with CFG, which owns English Premier League champions Manchester City.

Football Association of Singapore vice-president and Geylang adviser Ben Teng, who was also the club’s chairman from 2015 to 2020, played a key role in securing the deal.

The businessman revealed talks first began in early 2019 but stalled when the Covid-19 pandemic hit. Discussions resumed in 2022.

He added: “This agreement is set to be an initial, highly targeted collaboration between both entities with the potential to evolve into a broader, more comprehensive strategic partnership in the future.

“This unprecedented commitment in Geylang International will enable the club to start tapping into CFG’s football expertise, know-how, technology, and best practices, allowing the club to improve their structure and operations.

“Geylang have a dedicated group of volunteers who were key in negotiations with CFG... our collaboration will not only raise the professional standard of the club but also its commercial value.”

The Eagles are already benefiting from CFG’s network, with the recruitment of Japanese attacker Yushi Yamaya from J-League champions Yokohama F. Marinos, who are also part of the CFG family.

Yamaya was recommended to the Singapore Premier League (SPL) club after being scouted by CFG’s Group Football Operations department, following a detailed brief by Geylang’s coaching staff.

Geylang coach Noor Ali said: “We are delighted to welcome Yamaya to Geylang International. His arrival will surely add variety to our attack. He’s an exciting player, so I’m sure the fans will enjoy watching him in action.”

Yamaya, 22, added: “I’m very excited to join Geylang, a club with such an amazing history. This is my first time playing abroad, but I know I have what it takes to succeed and I’m looking forward to helping the Eagles to achieve their goals this season.”

CFG will also help develop Geylang’s technical and management expertise through practical learning experiences at clubs within CFG’s global network.

A brainchild of City’s chief executive officer Ferran Soriano, CFG was founded in 2013.

In 2019, it was valued at US$4.8 billion (S$6.51 billion), owning and running 11 football clubs globally.

Besides City, the other top-tier sides are New York City (United States), Montevideo City Torque (Uruguay), Melbourne City (Australia), Girona (Spain), Troyes AC (France) and second division clubs Lommel SK (Belgium) and Palermo (Italy).

In Asia, CFG has stakes in Yokohama F. Marinos (Japan), Sichuan Jiuniu (China) and Mumbai City (India). Similar to the Geylang arrangement, it has a partner club in Club Bolivar (Bolivia).

CFG is about to add another club to its portfolio with the impending takeover of Brazilian side EC Bahia in early 2023. The Salvador-based club has secured promotion to Brazil’s top-tier league.

Despite rumours of the SPL moving towards privatisation, CFG will not be taking over Geylang for now. The only private club in Singapore are the Lion City Sailors, owned by tech company Sea.

But the collaboration will still come as a boost for the Eagles, who open their SPL campaign against Tampines in the Eastern Derby at Our Tampines Hub on Feb 25.

After retaining the services of key players such as French playmaker Vincent Bezecourt and Japanese duo Rio Sakuma and Takahiro Tezuka, along with versatile Joshua Pereira, they will aim to improve on their fourth-place finish in 2022.

They are in Malaysia for a 13-day training camp that will see them play Penang, Selangor or Kedah, Kuala Lumpur and Sabah.

“After several weeks of training, it’s time to put the team to the test,” said Noor.

“We could not ask for a better pre-season fixture and a shout-out to the management for lining up four high-quality friendly matches.

“The fact that we got invited to play against the top M-League sides speaks volumes about Geylang’s stature.”[/article]
 
This sounds shit.

[article]
A new-look, open European Super League could contain up to 80 teams in a multi-division format, the competition’s chief executive has said.
The competition would be based on sporting performance with no permanent members, A22’s chief executive, Bernd Reichart, told the German newspaper Die Welt. Teams would be guaranteed a minimum of 14 matches a season, Reichart wrote.

A22, formed to sponsor and assist with the creation of the Super League, has consulted nearly 50 European clubs since last October and developed 10 principles based on that.
Reichart wrote: “The foundations of European football are in danger of collapsing. It’s time for a change. It is the clubs that bear the entrepreneurial risk in football. But when important decisions are at stake, they are too often forced to sit idly by on the sidelines as the sporting and financial foundations crumble around them.

“Our talks have also made it clear that clubs often find it impossible to speak out publicly against a system that uses the threat of sanctions to thwart opposition. Our dialogue was open, honest, constructive and resulted in clear ideas about what changes are needed and how they could be implemented. There is a lot to do and we will continue our dialogue.”

A22 has challenged Uefa’s and Fifa’s right to block the formation of the Super League and sanction the competing clubs in the courts, arguing the governing bodies are abusing a dominant position under EU competition law.

The European court of justice is due to give its final ruling in the case this year, but a non-binding opinion delivered by the advocate general in December said rules allowing Uefa and Fifa to block the formation of competitions were compatible with EU law.
Reichart said the Super League would be an open competition, with qualification via performance at national level and all its teams competing in their domestic leagues.
Those national leagues would remain “the foundation” of the game, Reichart said. He argued that the Super League would generate new revenues to support the entire pyramid.

The guarantee of 14 matches, Reichart says, would provide “stablility and predictability” of revenue.

Reichart sets out plans for cost control measures, saying clubs should spend only a fixed percentage of their annual football-related revenue on player salaries and net transfers. “Club spending must be based solely on the funds generated and not on competitively distorting capital injections,” he wrote
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This sounds shit.

[article]
A new-look, open European Super League could contain up to 80 teams in a multi-division format, the competition’s chief executive has said.
The competition would be based on sporting performance with no permanent members, A22’s chief executive, Bernd Reichart, told the German newspaper Die Welt. Teams would be guaranteed a minimum of 14 matches a season, Reichart wrote.

A22, formed to sponsor and assist with the creation of the Super League, has consulted nearly 50 European clubs since last October and developed 10 principles based on that.
Reichart wrote: “The foundations of European football are in danger of collapsing. It’s time for a change. It is the clubs that bear the entrepreneurial risk in football. But when important decisions are at stake, they are too often forced to sit idly by on the sidelines as the sporting and financial foundations crumble around them.

“Our talks have also made it clear that clubs often find it impossible to speak out publicly against a system that uses the threat of sanctions to thwart opposition. Our dialogue was open, honest, constructive and resulted in clear ideas about what changes are needed and how they could be implemented. There is a lot to do and we will continue our dialogue.”

A22 has challenged Uefa’s and Fifa’s right to block the formation of the Super League and sanction the competing clubs in the courts, arguing the governing bodies are abusing a dominant position under EU competition law.

The European court of justice is due to give its final ruling in the case this year, but a non-binding opinion delivered by the advocate general in December said rules allowing Uefa and Fifa to block the formation of competitions were compatible with EU law.
Reichart said the Super League would be an open competition, with qualification via performance at national level and all its teams competing in their domestic leagues.
Those national leagues would remain “the foundation” of the game, Reichart said. He argued that the Super League would generate new revenues to support the entire pyramid.

The guarantee of 14 matches, Reichart says, would provide “stablility and predictability” of revenue.

Reichart sets out plans for cost control measures, saying clubs should spend only a fixed percentage of their annual football-related revenue on player salaries and net transfers. “Club spending must be based solely on the funds generated and not on competitively distorting capital injections,” he wrote
[/article]
We'd be relegated
 
I'm no fan of FIFA or UEFA but I'm right behind them on this. Downgrading the domestic leagues to quasi-non league status, as this would do, would take top level club football effectively out of reach of most of its fanbase. If that were to happen the game would wither and die. DO NOT WANT.
 
Man City 10th will surprise most people, below Liverpool
[article]
Premier League five-year net spend table sees Liverpool and Man City in mid-table

Date published: Monday 6th February 2023 9:00 - Ian Watson
Premier-League-Big-Six-scarves.jpg

Forget the league table, it’s all about the Premier League net spend table. Chelsea are way out in front after this season of spending…
Bold denotes a profit; final league positions in brackets…


1) Chelsea: £-654.21m
22/23: £-480.38m
21/22: £5.79m (3rd)
20/21: £-166.86m (4th)
19/20: £98.57m (4th)
18/19: £-110.23m (3rd)

2) Manchester United: £-540.23m
22/23: £-203.26m
21/22: £-99.5m (6th)
20/21: £-56.45m (2nd)
19/20: £-134.87m (3rd)
18/19: £-45.8m (6th)

3) Arsenal: £-485.64m
22/23: £-148.94m
21/22: £-120m (5th)
20/21: £-59m (8th)
19/20: £-94.58m (8th)
18/19: £-62.71m (5th)


Ranking the top 10 Premier League teams of all time


4) West Ham: £-356.5m
22/23: £-152.21m
21/22: £-62.02m (7th)
20/21: £-8.2m (6th)
19/20: £-56.77m (16th)
18/19: £-76.91m (10th)

5) Newcastle: £-351.89m
22/23: £-161.74m
21/22: £-115.19m (11th)
20/21: £-34.18m (12th)
19/20: £-32.89m (13th)
18/19: £-7.68m (13th)

6) Tottenham: £-332.48m
22/23: £-122.95m
21/22: £-54.09m (4th)
20/21: £-85.79m (7th)
19/20: £-74.14m (6th)
18/19: £4.72m (4th)

7) Wolves: £-276.55m
22/23: £-103.15m
21/22: £-5.09m (10th)
20/21: £-7.37m (13th)
19/20: £-81.3m (7th)
18/19: £-78.53m (7th)

8) Aston Villa: £-271.24m
22/23: £-40.73m
21/22: £-2.47m (14th)
20/21: £-87.01m (11th)
19/20: £-138.13m (17th)
18/19: £-2.6m (5th in Championship)

9) Liverpool: £-254.19m
22/23: £-49.7m
21/22: £-50.44m (2nd)
20/21: £-58.7m (3rd)
19/20: £29.94m (Champions)
18/19: £-123.7m (2nd)


The full list of every Premier League signing and sale made in the January 2023 transfer window


10) Manchester City: £-224.97m
22/23: £8.3m

21/22: £-39.81m (Champions)
20/21: £-96.56m (Champions)
19/20: £-78.13m (2nd)
18/19: £-18.54m (Champions)

11) Fulham: £-197m
22/23: £-43.83m
21/22: £-14.56m (1st in Championship)
20/21: £-32.88m (18th)
19/20: £-7.5m (4th in Championship)
18/19: £-98.11m (19th)

12) Southampton: £-178.7m
22/23: £-122.07m
21/22: £15.23m (15th)
20/21: £-9.71m (15th)
19/20: £-30.19m (11th)
18/19: £-31.91m (16th)

13) Leeds United: £-170.3m
22/23:£-28.31m
21/22: £-51.71m (17th)
20/21: £-112.21m (9th)
19/20: £26.44m (1st in Championship)
18/19: £-3.6m (3rd in Championship)

14) Nottingham Forest: £168.71m
22/23: £-156.6m
21/22: £-5.37m (4th in Championship)
20/21: £535,000 (17th in Championship)
19/20: £8.56m (7th in Championship)
18/19: £-15.74m (9th in Championship)

15) Everton: £-124.94m
22/23: £22.27m
21/22: £5.74m (16th)

20/21: £-60.86m (10th)
19/20: £-29.3m (12th)
18/19: £-62.8m (8th)


Liverpool feature heavily in the 20 biggest January transfer window signings of all-time


16) Crystal Palace: £-82.08m
22/23: £-36.36m
21/22: £-75.57m (12th)
20/21: £-2.12m (14th)
19/20: £42.17m (14th)
18/19: £-10.15m (12th)

17) Leicester: £-62.23m
22/23: £29.51m
21/22: £-56.14m (8th)
20/21: £-4.97m (5th)
19/20: £-13.95m (5th)
18/19: £-16.59m (9th)

18) Bournemouth: £-59.18m
22/23: £-73.43m
21/22: £12.59m (2nd in Championship)
20/21: £82.57m (6th in Championship)

19/20: £-17.91m (18th)
18/19: £-63.02m (14th)

18) Brighton: £-43.27m
22/23: £72.61m
21/22: £3.09m (9th)
20/21: £-6.97m (16th)
19/20: £-47m (15th)
18/19: £-64.87m (17th)

20) Brentford: £-781,000
22/23: £-42.06m
21/22: £-31.34m (13th)
20/21: £48.03m (3rd in Championship)
19/20:-£-345,000 (3rd in Championship)
18/19: £24.93m (11th in Championship)



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from 2018/2019 Man City, Barca and PSG don't even make top 10
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Man City 10th will surprise most people, below Liverpool
[article]
Premier League five-year net spend table sees Liverpool and Man City in mid-table

Date published: Monday 6th February 2023 9:00 - Ian Watson
Premier-League-Big-Six-scarves.jpg

Forget the league table, it’s all about the Premier League net spend table. Chelsea are way out in front after this season of spending…
Bold denotes a profit; final league positions in brackets…


1) Chelsea: £-654.21m
22/23: £-480.38m
21/22: £5.79m (3rd)
20/21: £-166.86m (4th)
19/20: £98.57m (4th)
18/19: £-110.23m (3rd)

2) Manchester United: £-540.23m
22/23: £-203.26m
21/22: £-99.5m (6th)
20/21: £-56.45m (2nd)
19/20: £-134.87m (3rd)
18/19: £-45.8m (6th)

3) Arsenal: £-485.64m
22/23: £-148.94m
21/22: £-120m (5th)
20/21: £-59m (8th)
19/20: £-94.58m (8th)
18/19: £-62.71m (5th)


Ranking the top 10 Premier League teams of all time


4) West Ham: £-356.5m
22/23: £-152.21m
21/22: £-62.02m (7th)
20/21: £-8.2m (6th)
19/20: £-56.77m (16th)
18/19: £-76.91m (10th)

5) Newcastle: £-351.89m
22/23: £-161.74m
21/22: £-115.19m (11th)
20/21: £-34.18m (12th)
19/20: £-32.89m (13th)
18/19: £-7.68m (13th)

6) Tottenham: £-332.48m
22/23: £-122.95m
21/22: £-54.09m (4th)
20/21: £-85.79m (7th)
19/20: £-74.14m (6th)
18/19: £4.72m (4th)

7) Wolves: £-276.55m
22/23: £-103.15m
21/22: £-5.09m (10th)
20/21: £-7.37m (13th)
19/20: £-81.3m (7th)
18/19: £-78.53m (7th)

8) Aston Villa: £-271.24m
22/23: £-40.73m
21/22: £-2.47m (14th)
20/21: £-87.01m (11th)
19/20: £-138.13m (17th)
18/19: £-2.6m (5th in Championship)

9) Liverpool: £-254.19m
22/23: £-49.7m
21/22: £-50.44m (2nd)
20/21: £-58.7m (3rd)
19/20: £29.94m (Champions)
18/19: £-123.7m (2nd)


The full list of every Premier League signing and sale made in the January 2023 transfer window


10) Manchester City: £-224.97m
22/23: £8.3m

21/22: £-39.81m (Champions)
20/21: £-96.56m (Champions)
19/20: £-78.13m (2nd)
18/19: £-18.54m (Champions)

11) Fulham: £-197m
22/23: £-43.83m
21/22: £-14.56m (1st in Championship)
20/21: £-32.88m (18th)
19/20: £-7.5m (4th in Championship)
18/19: £-98.11m (19th)

12) Southampton: £-178.7m
22/23: £-122.07m
21/22: £15.23m (15th)
20/21: £-9.71m (15th)
19/20: £-30.19m (11th)
18/19: £-31.91m (16th)

13) Leeds United: £-170.3m
22/23:£-28.31m
21/22: £-51.71m (17th)
20/21: £-112.21m (9th)
19/20: £26.44m (1st in Championship)
18/19: £-3.6m (3rd in Championship)

14) Nottingham Forest: £168.71m
22/23: £-156.6m
21/22: £-5.37m (4th in Championship)
20/21: £535,000 (17th in Championship)
19/20: £8.56m (7th in Championship)
18/19: £-15.74m (9th in Championship)

15) Everton: £-124.94m
22/23: £22.27m
21/22: £5.74m (16th)

20/21: £-60.86m (10th)
19/20: £-29.3m (12th)
18/19: £-62.8m (8th)


Liverpool feature heavily in the 20 biggest January transfer window signings of all-time


16) Crystal Palace: £-82.08m
22/23: £-36.36m
21/22: £-75.57m (12th)
20/21: £-2.12m (14th)
19/20: £42.17m (14th)
18/19: £-10.15m (12th)

17) Leicester: £-62.23m
22/23: £29.51m
21/22: £-56.14m (8th)
20/21: £-4.97m (5th)
19/20: £-13.95m (5th)
18/19: £-16.59m (9th)

18) Bournemouth: £-59.18m
22/23: £-73.43m
21/22: £12.59m (2nd in Championship)
20/21: £82.57m (6th in Championship)

19/20: £-17.91m (18th)
18/19: £-63.02m (14th)

18) Brighton: £-43.27m
22/23: £72.61m
21/22: £3.09m (9th)
20/21: £-6.97m (16th)
19/20: £-47m (15th)
18/19: £-64.87m (17th)

20) Brentford: £-781,000
22/23: £-42.06m
21/22: £-31.34m (13th)
20/21: £48.03m (3rd in Championship)
19/20:-£-345,000 (3rd in Championship)
18/19: £24.93m (11th in Championship)



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Now do the 5 years before that.
 
Now do the 5 years before that.
I'm not @King Binny , I'm not an AI.
Don't you find it surprising, the clubs you expect to be up there are not?

Here is 10 years net spend

[xtable]
{thead}
{tr}
{th}#{/th}
{th=colspan:2}Club{/th}
{th}Expenditure{/th}
{th}Arrivals{/th}
{th}Income{/th}
{th}Departures{/th}
{th}Balance{/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}1{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Manchester United{/td}
{td}€1.67bn{/td}
{td}170{/td}
{td}€426.75m{/td}
{td}169{/td}
{td}€-1,248.16m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}2{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Manchester City{/td}
{td}€1.72bn{/td}
{td}249{/td}
{td}€726.34m{/td}
{td}257{/td}
{td}€-997.04m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}3{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Paris Saint-Germain{/td}
{td}€1.48bn{/td}
{td}181{/td}
{td}€505.15m{/td}
{td}184{/td}
{td}€-977.35m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}4{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Chelsea FC{/td}
{td}€2.10bn{/td}
{td}340{/td}
{td}€1.13bn{/td}
{td}338{/td}
{td}€-970.76m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}5{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Arsenal FC{/td}
{td}€1.20bn{/td}
{td}177{/td}
{td}€417.75m{/td}
{td}187{/td}
{td}€-785.54m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}6{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}FC Barcelona{/td}
{td}€1.64bn{/td}
{td}158{/td}
{td}€973.30m{/td}
{td}158{/td}
{td}€-662.37m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}7{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}West Ham United{/td}
{td}€819.95m{/td}
{td}201{/td}
{td}€278.96m{/td}
{td}207{/td}
{td}€-540.99m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}8{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}AC Milan{/td}
{td}€930.28m{/td}
{td}406{/td}
{td}€423.50m{/td}
{td}414{/td}
{td}€-506.78m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}9{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Newcastle United{/td}
{td}€786.95m{/td}
{td}212{/td}
{td}€281.53m{/td}
{td}212{/td}
{td}€-505.41m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}10{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Juventus FC{/td}
{td}€1.60bn{/td}
{td}509{/td}
{td}€1.12bn{/td}
{td}504{/td}
{td}€-477.92m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}11{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Liverpool FC{/td}
{td}€1.16bn{/td}
{td}190{/td}
{td}€715.92m{/td}
{td}191{/td}
{td}€-445.21m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}12{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Bayern Munich{/td}
{td}€885.70m{/td}
{td}117{/td}
{td}€475.10m{/td}
{td}112{/td}
{td}€-410.60m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}13{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Tottenham Hotspur{/td}
{td}€1.06bn{/td}
{td}173{/td}
{td}€655.20m{/td}
{td}187{/td}
{td}€-399.88m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}14{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Aston Villa{/td}
{td}€725.86m{/td}
{td}257{/td}
{td}€343.87m{/td}
{td}255{/td}
{td}€-382.00m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}15{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Wolverhampton Wanderers{/td}
{td}€622.83m{/td}
{td}323{/td}
{td}€281.25m{/td}
{td}327{/td}
{td}€-341.58m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Everton FC{/td}
{td}€843.58m{/td}
{td}196{/td}
{td}€535.41m{/td}
{td}200{/td}
{td}€-308.18m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Inter Milan{/td}
{td}€1.06bn{/td}
{td}539{/td}
{td}€762.87m{/td}
{td}556{/td}
{td}€-292.49m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}18{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Crystal Palace{/td}
{td}€418.96m{/td}
{td}228{/td}
{td}€159.04m{/td}
{td}229{/td}
{td}€-259.92m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Zenit St. Petersburg{/td}
{td}€474.50m{/td}
{td}139{/td}
{td}€241.67m{/td}
{td}139{/td}
{td}€-232.83m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Fulham FC{/td}
{td}€394.37m{/td}
{td}267{/td}
{td}€165.22m{/td}
{td}273{/td}
{td}€-229.15m{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
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Interestingly Real Madrid have been very frugal

[xtable=527x75]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}30{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Nottingham Forest{/td}
{td}€278.52m{/td}
{td}329{/td}
{td}€112.58m{/td}
{td}318{/td}
{td}€-165.94m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}31{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Hebei FC{/td}
{td}€187.38m{/td}
{td}179{/td}
{td}€22.77m{/td}
{td}181{/td}
{td}€-164.61m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}32{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Olympique Marseille{/td}
{td}€483.29m{/td}
{td}189{/td}
{td}€324.17m{/td}
{td}193{/td}
{td}€-159.13m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}33{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Galatasaray{/td}
{td}€285.31m{/td}
{td}286{/td}
{td}€134.40m{/td}
{td}286{/td}
{td}€-150.91m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}34{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Beijing Guoan{/td}
{td}€200.65m{/td}
{td}152{/td}
{td}€51.66m{/td}
{td}159{/td}
{td}€-148.99m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}35{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Parma Calcio 1913{/td}
{td}€264.35m{/td}
{td}1007{/td}
{td}€115.62m{/td}
{td}1013{/td}
{td}€-148.72m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}36{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Jiangsu FC (1994 - 2021){/td}
{td}€187.32m{/td}
{td}131{/td}
{td}€45.88m{/td}
{td}167{/td}
{td}€-141.44m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}37{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Al-Nassr FC{/td}
{td}€142.61m{/td}
{td}189{/td}
{td}€11.87m{/td}
{td}208{/td}
{td}€-130.74m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}38{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Stoke City{/td}
{td}€262.45m{/td}
{td}230{/td}
{td}€133.03m{/td}
{td}239{/td}
{td}€-129.41m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}39{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Real Madrid{/td}
{td}€1.13bn{/td}
{td}136{/td}
{td}€1.01bn{/td}
{td}134{/td}
{td}€-126.65m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}40{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Brighton & Hove Albion{/td}
{td}€404.79m{/td}
{td}282{/td}
{td}€279.44m{/td}
{td}292{/td}
{td}€-125.35m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}41{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}West Bromwich Albion{/td}
{td}€268.69m{/td}
{td}177{/td}
{td}€152.42m{/td}
{td}180{/td}
{td}€-116.27m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}42{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Tianjin Tianhai (-2019){/td}
{td}€157.62m{/td}
{td}103{/td}
{td}€42.15m{/td}
{td}139{/td}
{td}€-115.47m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}43{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Spartak Moscow{/td}
{td}€255.96m{/td}
{td}179{/td}
{td}€141.18m{/td}
{td}179{/td}
{td}€-114.78m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}44{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Dynamo Moscow{/td}
{td}€181.42m{/td}
{td}178{/td}
{td}€67.37m{/td}
{td}178{/td}
{td}€-114.05m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}45{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Shanghai Shenhua{/td}
{td}€148.60m{/td}
{td}192{/td}
{td}€36.29m{/td}
{td}185{/td}
{td}€-112.31m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}46{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}CD Cruz Azul{/td}
{td}€150.25m{/td}
{td}214{/td}
{td}€42.28m{/td}
{td}213{/td}
{td}€-107.97m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}47{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Al-Ittihad Club (Jeddah){/td}
{td}€109.98m{/td}
{td}191{/td}
{td}€5.14m{/td}
{td}202{/td}
{td}€-104.84m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}48{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Lokomotiv Moscow{/td}
{td}€196.97m{/td}
{td}148{/td}
{td}€97.92m{/td}
{td}148{/td}
{td}€-99.05m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}49{/td}
{td} {/td}
{td}Sheffield United{/td}
{td}€155.06m{/td}
{td}293{/td}
{td}€56.99m{/td}
{td}295{/td}
{td}€-98.07m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}50{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Atlético de Madrid{/td}
{td}€1.07bn{/td}
{td}215{/td}
{td}€973.95m{/td}
{td}215{/td}
{td}€-96.95m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
 
So,
Interestingly Real Madrid have been very frugal

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{tbody}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}30{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Nottingham Forest{/td}
{td}€278.52m{/td}
{td}329{/td}
{td}€112.58m{/td}
{td}318{/td}
{td}€-165.94m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}31{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Hebei FC{/td}
{td}€187.38m{/td}
{td}179{/td}
{td}€22.77m{/td}
{td}181{/td}
{td}€-164.61m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}32{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Olympique Marseille{/td}
{td}€483.29m{/td}
{td}189{/td}
{td}€324.17m{/td}
{td}193{/td}
{td}€-159.13m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}33{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Galatasaray{/td}
{td}€285.31m{/td}
{td}286{/td}
{td}€134.40m{/td}
{td}286{/td}
{td}€-150.91m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}34{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Beijing Guoan{/td}
{td}€200.65m{/td}
{td}152{/td}
{td}€51.66m{/td}
{td}159{/td}
{td}€-148.99m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}35{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Parma Calcio 1913{/td}
{td}€264.35m{/td}
{td}1007{/td}
{td}€115.62m{/td}
{td}1013{/td}
{td}€-148.72m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}36{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Jiangsu FC (1994 - 2021){/td}
{td}€187.32m{/td}
{td}131{/td}
{td}€45.88m{/td}
{td}167{/td}
{td}€-141.44m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}37{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Al-Nassr FC{/td}
{td}€142.61m{/td}
{td}189{/td}
{td}€11.87m{/td}
{td}208{/td}
{td}€-130.74m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}38{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Stoke City{/td}
{td}€262.45m{/td}
{td}230{/td}
{td}€133.03m{/td}
{td}239{/td}
{td}€-129.41m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}39{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Real Madrid{/td}
{td}€1.13bn{/td}
{td}136{/td}
{td}€1.01bn{/td}
{td}134{/td}
{td}€-126.65m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}40{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Brighton & Hove Albion{/td}
{td}€404.79m{/td}
{td}282{/td}
{td}€279.44m{/td}
{td}292{/td}
{td}€-125.35m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}41{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}West Bromwich Albion{/td}
{td}€268.69m{/td}
{td}177{/td}
{td}€152.42m{/td}
{td}180{/td}
{td}€-116.27m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}42{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Tianjin Tianhai (-2019){/td}
{td}€157.62m{/td}
{td}103{/td}
{td}€42.15m{/td}
{td}139{/td}
{td}€-115.47m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}43{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Spartak Moscow{/td}
{td}€255.96m{/td}
{td}179{/td}
{td}€141.18m{/td}
{td}179{/td}
{td}€-114.78m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}44{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Dynamo Moscow{/td}
{td}€181.42m{/td}
{td}178{/td}
{td}€67.37m{/td}
{td}178{/td}
{td}€-114.05m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}45{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Shanghai Shenhua{/td}
{td}€148.60m{/td}
{td}192{/td}
{td}€36.29m{/td}
{td}185{/td}
{td}€-112.31m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}46{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}CD Cruz Azul{/td}
{td}€150.25m{/td}
{td}214{/td}
{td}€42.28m{/td}
{td}213{/td}
{td}€-107.97m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}47{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Al-Ittihad Club (Jeddah){/td}
{td}€109.98m{/td}
{td}191{/td}
{td}€5.14m{/td}
{td}202{/td}
{td}€-104.84m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}48{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Lokomotiv Moscow{/td}
{td}€196.97m{/td}
{td}148{/td}
{td}€97.92m{/td}
{td}148{/td}
{td}€-99.05m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}49{/td}
{td} {/td}
{td}Sheffield United{/td}
{td}€155.06m{/td}
{td}293{/td}
{td}€56.99m{/td}
{td}295{/td}
{td}€-98.07m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}50{/td}
{td}{/td}
{td}Atlético de Madrid{/td}
{td}€1.07bn{/td}
{td}215{/td}
{td}€973.95m{/td}
{td}215{/td}
{td}€-96.95m{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
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So, what you're seeing is that City spent ungodly sums of money to get to their current level and now have enough player assets and are ruthless about shipping them out to balance the books.

Easy to be a millionaire when you're born into a rich family, right? Maintenance isn't much of a trick.

We, on the other hand, have stopped selling players and just let them run out their contract. Makes our modest purchases look like we're spending heartily.

Real's books look ok partially due to the sale of Ronaldo and Casemiro.
 
This was the almost daily argument I was having with my City friend.

It’s bonkers - they do things like talk about how money they got for Sterling and what top business men the club has - “look at the profit we made on Sterling selling him to Chelsea”.

City fans do that - they warp reality to suit themselves - in their reality they made a profit on Sterling - the fact that they paid us more for him than they sold him to Chelsea for us to be ignored.

Similarily, expenditure over 5 years ago is supposed not to exist or have any bearing on the last 5 years sales.

To be honest, it seems they were hoping the Premier League had forgotten about financial transactions older than 5 years ago.
 
Those player names sold to Southampton sound made up. Who are those guys? Is that part of the investigation, too?

They’ve gotten good money for selling sone of their kids.

We really should have followed a similar model - using that much vaunted data department to bring in players who could fill out the squad, but we could flip quickly for a profit.

I get that Klopp likes to build and keep a settled squad, but still, we’ve been lax.

I’m not talking about the nonsense about selling Salah or Mane sooner - it’s the fringe players like Keita and, god forgive me, Origi, etc - we kinda did it with Shaqiri & Minamino, but probs could have been more aggressive in moving players.

I also get that it’s been tough to shift the likes of Ox, Keita & Gomez because they’ve generally been injured prior to or during transfers windows and we would have had to sell cheap.

I said a year ago - we should consider selling Matip - Fabinho should be on the chopping block and Jones probably needs looking at.
 
We could have gotten 20 mil for Chamberlain 2 years ago and rejected it... Its certainly not the situation or the market, its our management... They stoooopid.
 
They’ve gotten good money for selling sone of their kids.

We really should have followed a similar model - using that much vaunted data department to bring in players who could fill out the squad, but we could flip quickly for a profit.

I get that Klopp likes to build and keep a settled squad, but still, we’ve been lax.

I’m not talking about the nonsense about selling Salah or Mane sooner - it’s the fringe players like Keita and, god forgive me, Origi, etc - we kinda did it with Shaqiri & Minamino, but probs could have been more aggressive in moving players.

I also get that it’s been tough to shift the likes of Ox, Keita & Gomez because they’ve generally been injured prior to or during transfers windows and we would have had to sell cheap.

I said a year ago - we should consider selling Matip - Fabinho should be on the chopping block and Jones probably needs looking at.
Shut up Momo you bore.
 
Just wanted to highlight that at some point in the next week the club's 2022 accounts should be made public - they usually put out a summary press release a few days before the filing deadline (which is the end of Feb). I'll post a thread with my observations on the full document but you'll need to give me a few days to fit a review in around other commitments. If you like numbers and charts then no doubt Swiss Ramble's blog will be compulsory reading while you're waiting.
 
Just wanted to highlight that at some point in the next week the club's 2022 accounts should be made public - they usually put out a summary press release a few days before the filing deadline (which is the end of Feb). I'll post a thread with my observations on the full document but you'll need to give me a few days to fit a review in around other commitments. If you like numbers and charts then no doubt Swiss Ramble's blog will be compulsory reading while you're waiting.
Lazy sod. We should be your number one priority.
 
Just wanted to highlight that at some point in the next week the club's 2022 accounts should be made public - they usually put out a summary press release a few days before the filing deadline (which is the end of Feb). I'll post a thread with my observations on the full document but you'll need to give me a few days to fit a review in around other commitments. If you like numbers and charts then no doubt Swiss Ramble's blog will be compulsory reading while you're waiting.
Any chance you can post a 2 word summary "It's good" or "It's bad" for the likes of me?

And, yes, I am counting a contraction as one word.
 
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