Salas (spelling) I fuckin loved after that goal against England. Outrageous.
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Was apparently in Serie A for 6 Years only played 97 games, scored 20 and made 32 assists. Goal or an assist every other game but so why so few games? Injury, politics or there were better players ahead of him @LeTallecWiz ?
Does that mean teams of today are better than the ones in the past?
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Ahright la, I hail from Tocky meself.
I moved out of the hood when I was 2. On Princess Avenue. I'm sure it was much nicer when you were there in the 1920s 😉
Yeah, I think in terms of team unit, they're better now. Maybe. But as a result, we've lost that individual brilliance.
Not to derail a good thread, but a good example of this is the dearth of top quality defenders in the world now. Aside from Van Dijk and an aging, erratic Ramos, who would you say that's playing now belongs alongside: (clears throat)
Maldini
Nesta
Cannavaro
Ferdinand
Terry
Campbell
Ayala
Samuel
Thuram
Desailly
Blanc
There's probably a lot more, and obviously I have a greater pool of players and longer timeframe to pick from when looking into the past. But today, it probably won't take you too long to get down the list of names and find someone like Harry Maguire getting a mention.
Add :
George Weah ( that goal he ran through the entire team literraly!)
Ruben Sosa
Guillet at Samp - played as part of a front for a season or two till Milan realised what a mistake they made
Cheisa Sr
Kluivert Sr
Montella
Yeah, Weah is a great shout, and I remembered Montella after I had hit post. Kluivert didn't really get a look in at Milan did he?
Gullit was a bit before my time. I only remember him as a defensive mid for Chelsea, really.
Chiesa I know of, but never saw enough to form a proper opinion.
I did forget Del Piero, though.
Cheeky bugger. 😀 We moved away (had lived in Canning Street) in the late 50s when I was slightly older than you were when you left. My parents were students at the time and the street was apparently bedsit-land in those days. I'm told it later became a haunt for streetwalkers (story of my life - my old school was just starting to go co-ed when I left, and my college went unisex three years after my time there) then appaz it subsequently got gentrified.
I have a friend who was brought up in the Dingle (she is about mid seventies now). When she was a kid her parents would tell her to tell people she came from Toxteth when asked, as it was far more respectable.
She moved away from Liverpool, and came back in the mid 80s to a street off High Park Street, at the Toxteth end, where she noticed parents telling their kids to say they were from the Dingle
She moved away from Liverpool, and came back in the mid 80s to a street off High Park Street, at the Toxteth end, where she noticed parents telling their kids to say they were from the Dingle
Indeed, it's often said that the reason Ronaldo learnt to control the ball so well was that he was sick of having to run after it after it rolled half a mile downhill.
Yeah looks like didn’t only one season and 11 goals but he was 21.
Just looked at the positions Ruud played, insane. I just remember him from c4 goalazza.
When he joined Chelsea, even in his mid 30s, he was good.
I've thought for a while now that football has lost some of it's star quality - there just don't seem to be that many genuine stars any more, not in the way there seemed to be in the 90's and 2000's.
But that is probably in no small part down to 2 reasons:
But that is probably in no small part down to 2 reasons:
- We're all old as fuck so will naturally be more nostalgic and what not about the players we grew up watching. Kids these days will grow up looking back on the likes of Ramos that we don't really give much of a second thought too.
- We didn't get to see nearly as much of the footballers in the past as we do today.... waiting to catch a glimpse of Batistuta on the odd highlight reels and international tournaments just added to the mystique + star quality of these players.
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Not entirely true.
Batigol for example would always score points for me in my fantasy football team, win me money in football bets and score a bucket load every season in my CM team.
Henceforth, a legend of the game.
Batigol for example would always score points for me in my fantasy football team, win me money in football bets and score a bucket load every season in my CM team.
Henceforth, a legend of the game.
Yeah, the nostalgia argument does have its merits. As does the exposure.
However, I will counter that with looking at the squads of teams. Let's go with the Euros since it's relevant at the minute.
Look at the absolute kip of the England side compared to early 2000s England sides. Likewise, Spain, Italy.
Players like Pogba are being touted as world class now, but he's absolutely nowhere near the level of past world class players in that position, ones you saw frequently or not.
But I do agree, someone like, say Neymar, will be to kids today what Rivaldo was to us 20 years ago. However, I think there is enough evidence to suggest the individual quality has dropped off a fair bit.
However, I will counter that with looking at the squads of teams. Let's go with the Euros since it's relevant at the minute.
Look at the absolute kip of the England side compared to early 2000s England sides. Likewise, Spain, Italy.
Players like Pogba are being touted as world class now, but he's absolutely nowhere near the level of past world class players in that position, ones you saw frequently or not.
But I do agree, someone like, say Neymar, will be to kids today what Rivaldo was to us 20 years ago. However, I think there is enough evidence to suggest the individual quality has dropped off a fair bit.
Binny posted the Dutch team the other day in the Euro 2020 thread. I'd heard of about half of them. And even they were shit.
If ever there was a player that I can think of that would have 20 out of 20 for the Flair statistic on Football Manager it would definitely be Ronaldinho.
Dribbling is one type of skill... but I've never seen a player ball juggle with the ball so much, it's as if he was on a career long audition for Cirque du Soleil.
Dribbling is one type of skill... but I've never seen a player ball juggle with the ball so much, it's as if he was on a career long audition for Cirque du Soleil.
PSG were fun to watch in the early/mid 90’s when they had Ginola & Weah.
Roberto Donadoni is another Italian who doesn’t get mentioned much - but certainly had his moments.
I loved watching Baresi & Maldini too - immense players.
Really like Henry.
Scotland was fun for watching players in the 80’s & 90’s - not necessarily players that were great, but in that league anyone decent stood out - Davie Cooper, Gascogne, B Laudrup, Van Bronkhorst, McCoist, McStay, Van Hooijdonk, Paulo Di Canio, Henrik Larsen, Viduka... even the great Basil Boli, famous for having the balls to headbutt Stuart Pearce - although he didn’t last long at Rangers - didn’t endear himself to the fans when he crossed himself every time he came on to the pitch.
Like I said - not world beaters - but they rang rings round the usual Sunday League Cloggers you’d get in Scotland.
Roberto Donadoni is another Italian who doesn’t get mentioned much - but certainly had his moments.
I loved watching Baresi & Maldini too - immense players.
Really like Henry.
Scotland was fun for watching players in the 80’s & 90’s - not necessarily players that were great, but in that league anyone decent stood out - Davie Cooper, Gascogne, B Laudrup, Van Bronkhorst, McCoist, McStay, Van Hooijdonk, Paulo Di Canio, Henrik Larsen, Viduka... even the great Basil Boli, famous for having the balls to headbutt Stuart Pearce - although he didn’t last long at Rangers - didn’t endear himself to the fans when he crossed himself every time he came on to the pitch.
Like I said - not world beaters - but they rang rings round the usual Sunday League Cloggers you’d get in Scotland.
Great shout on donadoni ... loved albertini too
When we smashed Real Madrid in the CL, second leg was at anfield, well somehow my cousin who'd lived in Madrid as a student had great connections and got us tickets in the bernabeau about ten rows back and on the halfway line. Second leg he had his own tapas restaurant in town and a few of his mates came over and he organised a big afternoon scran just for about ten of us. We were all talking about footy and every time I mentioned something boss I'd seen at a world cup or a cl final this Spanish dude would jump in and say something like, it wasn't the final ball, it was the dual thirty seconds earlier that created that goal, and my reply was always, you remember a lot more about it than me, I just remember the goal and now and again he'd say that he'd been at the match and I thought this dude knows his football. Anyway at some point he goes for a piss and I say who the fuck is he, he knows his shit, and my cuz says, he's butragueno you stupid twat
Hahahahaha fucking hell
Arf. Reminds me of a story I heard years ago about the cricketer Graeme Hick (opening bat, played for Worcestershire and England, set various scoring records) going for a haircut in Worcester one day. He gets talking to the barber and when the subject turns to cricket the barber says: "You know what? My uncle runs a cricket team in the local Sunday league. I'll give you his contact details. Mind you, you'll need to be good to get in."
Anyways the only players I admired to the point I wanted Liverpool to sign them and knock someone out of our squad were Real Ronaldo and Zidane. All the rest of those mentioned in the thread were either fannies or weren't as good as what we currently had. I know you can say that's bullshit by virtue of the fact that we weren't winning things for a lot of the time, but I'm not arsed. I'd rather have our midget Jay Spearing than their midget Messi
I love Messi. I think I would have just stopped watching footy completely there and then had he gone to City. I hope that move isn't still on the cards.
I think I was very much more UK focused. I'll admit to being very pissed off when we didn't sign Keane or cantona. The former moreso because it was our fault, we thought it was done and were arrogant. The latter because how the fuck would Leeds sell the player that just won them the league to their most detested rivals?
Seeing as we're talking weird ones, I used to have a soft spot for old bendy-legs Paulo Wanchope.
I think it was the way he used to gambol at defences like a newly-born foal, bamboozling them because they - like he - couldn't really figure out what his feet were about to do next.
I mean he was shit like, but endearingly shit
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