Chapeltown massif
Exodus of English players from Man City?
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As in chapeltown near Leeds? The Ripper stomping ground?
thats the one
Both Richards and Wisdom are from there
I used to deliver leaflets there last year, it's a weird area with bullet holes in doors and casual couch fires amongst everything else
Au contraire, he's a red (as in Leighton Baines).
Richards is worth a punt I think, if his injuries are behind him, and he brings the proper work ethic. I suppose we wouldn't be interested if Rodgers wasn't convinced that he had the right attitude. He has the physique, strength and pace; if he stays fit and is coachable, he could be a great catch. Not sure though if City would sell him to us.
i would stay away, he's not exactly a young player Brendan can take and transform, he would cost a lot and prob concerns about his desire after being looked after so well by Man City. More importantly, Wisdom dictates we leave him alone....
He's 25 so he's hardly old. Plus if he had no desire he would take the payrise and sign a new deal. more importantly wisdom has to earn his spot. And considering we apparently wanted him in january I cant see rodgers losing interest so quickly.
I think he can, problem is do we need him?
I mean considering that we've got Suso and Teixeira.
I've not really followed suso and his progress this year, but I hear positive things
What's the script with teixera? 22 this year isn't he and hasn't played much top flight football. Can we rely on a player like that next year?
We'll be fine.
All the other big clubs send out relatively unknown youths in big matches and they cope fine.
Dortmund had some complete unknowns starting against Madrid. Bayern sent out Claudio Pizarro as a sub.
We need to add a couple of quality attackers, another body for the DM role, and a utility fullback.
He actually turned 21 in January but I understand your doubts about him though.
I'm not sure if you saw the last reserve game but it's quite clear that he's just too good for that level.
It's obvious that we need quality in midfield, but not in the CM/DM positions imo. Like I said, I don't think Rodwell offers anything we don't already have. I'm more interested in what will happen with Alberto, Teixeira and Suso.
Rodwell can compete with lucas/Allen/Hendy in midfield too.
I missed the last reserve game, and believe me, I've no doubts that the lad can run the show at that level.
I get a niggling voice, whispering "pacheco", when I hear of players too good for the reserves yet still not ready for the first team.
Yes, I have no doubt that Rodwell could compete with our midfielders but atm it's Gerrard +1 or +2 and it'll probably stay that way until he retires, he's just that good.
Would Rodwell want to come to us and suffer the same predicament he's currently in at city?
I don't think so.
I haven't ruled out that Teixeira could turn out to be another Pacheco but Rodgers seems to rate him and that's positive.
It's always the same problem with Suso for me: talented player but where does he actually fit into a PL team? He's very unathletic, with little pace and no strength or stamina. I couldn't really see him making an impact on the wing. He's surely too small to play an Alonso-esque holding role, and not dynamic enough to play the Allen/Henderson position. So that leaves him competing with Coutinho, who's only a year older than him and clearly superior.
Same problem, in essence, for Alberto.
Teixeira has the best chance of the three, IMO. Has a much better balance between physique and technique, and is a credible contender for a central midfield position. The problem is that it's very difficult to judge where he's really at right now. He's had 10 minutes of senior football *in his entire career* and he's 21. Standing out at reserve level against players 2 years younger is the absolute bare minimum standard. He's reached a critical point now: he needs to go on loan at the highest level possible next season and go from there, because he just won't get the chances next season in a team chasing the PL and back in the CL.
Same problem, in essence, for Alberto.
Teixeira has the best chance of the three, IMO. Has a much better balance between physique and technique, and is a credible contender for a central midfield position. The problem is that it's very difficult to judge where he's really at right now. He's had 10 minutes of senior football *in his entire career* and he's 21. Standing out at reserve level against players 2 years younger is the absolute bare minimum standard. He's reached a critical point now: he needs to go on loan at the highest level possible next season and go from there, because he just won't get the chances next season in a team chasing the PL and back in the CL.
Strength and stamina is not an issue. We can do something about that. I'm not sure that I can agree with the unathletic part though. Suso is very good at holding the ball, passing, creating chances for others and dribbling.
I still believe he can be a star, with the right coaching.
My "beef" with him is his attitude. That's his biggest flaw imo. Didn't Rodgers send him back to Liverpool during the US tour for acting like a cunt?
I'm not sure that his attitude has changed that much during his loan spell but if it has he'll be a decent option for us next season.
Next season is graduation time for the likes of Wisdom, Robinson, Coady, Mclaughlin, Suso, Teixeira and to a lesser extent Ibe.
It'll be interesting to see who stays and who goes.
I still believe he can be a star, with the right coaching.
My "beef" with him is his attitude. That's his biggest flaw imo. Didn't Rodgers send him back to Liverpool during the US tour for acting like a cunt?
I'm not sure that his attitude has changed that much during his loan spell but if it has he'll be a decent option for us next season.
Next season is graduation time for the likes of Wisdom, Robinson, Coady, Mclaughlin, Suso, Teixeira and to a lesser extent Ibe.
It'll be interesting to see who stays and who goes.
We played Stewart Downing in over 60 league games and he didn't have extraordinary strength, pace, or technique.
Personally though I think Luis Alberto has a good frame to put muscle on.
Exactly.
Love fellow Downing haters.
I'm not sure if that's a defence of Suso, or not. For a start, one thing I think Downing is is athletic, even if he's not outstandingly fast. Secondly, he was a failure, so I wouldn't use him as an example of those things not mattering even if they were true.
I think Alberto's similar to Suso in that his only real position is going to be in the hole behind a striker, and that makes it difficult for him.
Shall I remind the viewers who your preference was over Downing?
You mean there are worse that Charles fucking Nzogbia?
Nzogbia was my bargain basement choice. He had a good season at Wigan, cost about £7 mill and to be honest I still believe he would have done better than Downing, I mean who wouldn't?
lol
Fact of the matter is that crappy players make it into top teams all the time. On that basis, there's no reason to doubt that any of our youth players won't make it for lack of athleticism. Lack of technique is valid, but athleticism can be developed. At the top level, while athleticism is important, technique is of greater value. Look at mid table and lower, athleticism is the most valuable asset.
If you want players whose primary skill is technique though, there are tons popping up of late. Oscar, Coutinho, Mata, Cazorla, Ozil, etc etc. I'd say Suso/Texeira are in the same pace bracket.
I consider Luis Alberto as more of a CF/Second Striker type at the moment. He has a good eye for the pass, and a really good build. Watch the last bit of our first match against Spurs, he creates our last two goals. Smart pass to play Suarez in, and then does really well to win the ball and find Suarez in space again, who goes on to pick a pass to put Sterling through.
He's definitely an interesting one though, because he has a fantastic shot and good finishing ability, as we've seen, and also can play with the ball. I think there's a few ways to develop him from here.
- A bit like we did with Lucas, mould him as a deep CDM/CM with a wicked shot. In our free flowing system, this could be a great option.
- Move him a bit further up to play as a (sometimes lone) Striker. It remains to be seen if he has the positional awareness in the attacking third to compensate for his lack of pace.
- Move him back to the hole to play as a CF/CAM. Probably the ideal position, but the issue is that we have Suso/Texeira/Coutinho also for that position. He's shown some ability on the ball to suit this position, but we need to see more to know if he can really handle this position.
I was actually there.
To busy celebrating to be honest but yeah that wasnt the best option.
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