also heard BEIN
I haven’t watched the BEIN coverage tonight, just in case they aren’t involved. Can’t bear Keys and Gray’s moral outrage tonight...
also heard BEIN
What's clear is that they need to null and void this year's CL... ya'know just till everythings sorted out.
"IF" your were young player, let's say 18 Brazilain RB and at a club like Man City, and you had two or three players a head of you for that position in the National side all playing in The Super League and Fifa goes a head with their treat to band players in the Super League playing for their National sides, do you
a) stick with Man City and hope that five years down the line you are their number 1 RB
b) sign for let's say Bolton Wanderers and take your place as the Brazil's first choice RB
We have an aging team. If we go a head and join this SL who would want to sign for us or any of the other teams for that matter.
"IF" your were young player, let's say 18 Brazilain RB and at a club like Man City, and you had two or three players a head of you for that position in the National side all playing in The Super League and Fifa goes a head with their treat to band players in the Super League playing for their National sides, do you
a) stick with Man City and hope that five years down the line you are their number 1 RB
b) sign for let's say Bolton Wanderers and take your place as the Brazil's first choice RB
We have an aging team. If we go a head and join this SL who would want to sign for us or any of the other teams for that matter.
"IF" your were young player, let's say 18 Brazilain RB and at a club like Man City, and you had two or three players a head of you for that position in the National side all playing in The Super League and Fifa goes a head with their treat to band players in the Super League playing for their National sides, do you
a) stick with Man City and hope that five years down the line you are their number 1 RB
b) sign for let's say Bolton Wanderers and take your place as the Brazil's first choice RB
We have an aging team. If we go a head and join this SL who would want to sign for us or any of the other teams for that matter.
He is. The only (very, very small) silver lining to the death of SCM and imminent Super League arrival, is that you will have to read less of the tripe that he spews forth when he pootles off to support Shanghai Red Wings UtdYou can't be serious.
No, I'm all leftAre you alright man?
Bayern Munich, the current champions, are not yet in the plans (Photo: Michael Regan / UEFA / Handout/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)
For them, that meant being in charge but, for UEFA, this was a concession too far. If it loses control over its most lucrative asset, what is the point of UEFA? It must retain the majority share in whatever joint venture the two parties agreed.
Even so, Ceferin believed they had nearly agreed something — certainly enough to proceed with this week’s format-change announcement, which would create the momentum needed to iron out all the other details.
But it seems both he and Agnelli underestimated just how important the control issue is to real drivers of the Super League conspiracy: Real Madrid, a rapacious beast that feels constrained by its domestic league, and the three Premier League giants owned by US sports entrepreneurs who want to start making US sports-style profits, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United.
Real’s president Florentino Perez has been at the centre of every Super League rumour for a decade and his services to the cause have been rewarded with the chairmanship of the new group. Stan Kroenke, John W Henry and Joel Glazer, the three principal American shareholders at the English clubs, and Agnelli, the European elite’s spokesman for so long, are the vice-chairmen.
There are two significant downsides to deploying your most terrifying weapon, though: one, you can only do it once, and two, the other side will deploy theirs, too. Which is why Ceferin opened his press conference by reminding everyone that both FIFA and UEFA, in a rare display of agreement, have both pledged to ban all participants in non-sanctioned competitions. This is what cricket did for World Series Cricket, too, which even had to use slightly different rules, as the international authorities owned those. That, in theory, could happen to the Super League, too.
But the potential sanctions that will really worry the fans, players and staff of Super League clubs are their possible expulsion from this season’s domestic and European competitions, including Euro 2020.
Sunday night’s public statement to announce the Super League was full of friendly language about “best outcomes”, “headline fixtures” and “financial support”, there was even one sentence about launching a “corresponding women’s league” as soon as possible. But on Monday, more threatening letters from the Super Leagues’ board arrived at the FIFA and UEFA headquarters to say it had already started to seek legal injunctions against any attempt by the governing bodies to either block the league’s creation or go through with their threats to ban players from this summer’s tournament, Qatar 2022 or any future international competitions.
Such was the strength of Ceferin’s defiance, coupled with the universal public opposition to the Super League news, some have wondered if UEFA would even expel Chelsea, Manchester City and Real Madrid from this season’s Champions League, the ultimate reward for Paris Saint-Germain’s refusal to join the rebel alliance (a move some believe is more motivated by a desire to ensure Qatar’s World Cup goes swimmingly than any commitment to European football’s traditions, while others have claimed PSG’s boss Nasser Al-Khelaifi is a man of his word who genuinely believes he can help fix this crisis).
Expelling three semi-finalists — five including Arsenal and United in the Europa League — seems very unlikely, as the clubs have not actually done anything wrong yet, apart from ruin lots of weekends, and even if they had, there is the potential for a long and expensive legal fight to be had on the issues of proportionality and how strongly courts want to apply European competition law to something as culturally sensitive as sport.
The Super League clubs, encouraged by recent European rulings against sports federations, most notably one involving the International Skating Union’s clumsy attempt to quash a new series of events created by a private company, believe the law is on their side.
But, after politicians across Europe have rushed out to make damning statements about the Super League, UEFA is also feeling chipper about its chances, particularly as the Super League’s structure would appear to raise monopoly concerns of its own.
Talk of competition brings us to the most contentious issue that would arise from the start of a Super League this August or any other August: can its clubs play in that and their domestic league?
With global bank JP Morgan providing the initial funding, the 15 founding members — Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund and PSG have declined the invite, for the time being, at least — would be offered just over £300 million for committing to the competition’s 23-year plan. That sum is intended to compensate for pandemic-related costs and help with infrastructure improvements.
The increased annual payments would then kick in once the games started, with the 20 teams divided into two groups of 10 that play each other home and away. No details have been released on who will broadcast and/or stream these games, and therefore provide most of the Super League’s promised riches, but it is understood all the usual suspects have been sounded out, although none seems willing to talk about it. One possibility, of course, is these clubs would eventually set up their own channel and streaming service, although that would require huge up-front investment.
It would also probably mean the competition cannot stay as just a midweek affair, as evening slots in Europe are in the middle of the night in Asia and lunchtime in California. The reason these big clubs believe they are undervalued at home is because they think they are the only clubs anyone beyond Europe wants to watch, so confining themselves to daytime and graveyards slots seems counter-productive.
But any talk of taking a bigger share of the broadcast cake, weekend slots or the amount of money these clubs believe they are going to earn in the Super League, will annoy domestic rivals and it is no exaggeration to say Sunday’s announcement has been greeted with fury by the 14 Premier League clubs not invited to the party.
In fact, the Premier League is chairing a meeting of these clubs on Tuesday. Pitchforks and torches are not obligatory but the mood is expected to be vengeful, particularly as it is felt the Big Six have not only trashed the Premier League’s chances of getting decent money for the next three-year cycle of broadcast rights this summer but will damage the league’s value going forward.
When you talk to club executives and broadcast experts, the word you hear again and again is “jeopardy”. Because it has at least six clubs trying to squeeze into four Champions League places, some of the richest clubs in the world chasing silverware and well-stocked squads battling relegation, the Premier League arguably has more jeopardy than any other domestic league in the world.
That is the narrative the league has sold so well for nearly three decades and turned Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham into Super League candidates. Yes, they are the biggest attractions, but only United could honestly say it has always been one of the league’s biggest attractions. Aston Villa have been champions of Europe more times than Arsenal, City and Tottenham; Nottingham Forest have won more than all bar Liverpool and United. Tottenham have won one League Cup in 22 years.
Half of the 92 clubs in the English Football League have had at least one season in the top flight since 1992. Things change. Or, at least, they are meant to.
Many would count Tottenham as lucky to be part of the talks (Photo: Tottenham Hotspur FC/Tottenham Hotspur FC via Getty Images)
But the sense of injustice sparked by a Super League selection cut-off date goes even deeper than arguments about one team’s good luck to be relevant at just the right moment. The Premier League loses a third of its value to broadcasters if there is no race for Europe. How motivated will those Super League teams be at home if they are chasing a more lucrative prize in their own competition? And how can the Premier League pretend to be one of the world’s most competitive leagues if six of the clubs have decided earning at least twice as much as the division average is not enough and that the advantage should be more like three, four or five times average turnover?
This is why several sources have spelled it out to The Athletic: clubs cannot play in a Super League and the Premier League.
Which brings us to what still remains the most logical conclusion. The Super League is a phantom, a bogeyman, a button never to be fully pressed.
And the good news is there are still enough experienced, sensible voices around the table — like former Premier League executive chairman Richard Scudamore, now a consultant advisor to the league’s board — to drag football back from a schism that will hurt the competitions deprived of the game’s most famous names, loyal fans of clubs they no longer like very much and players and coaches caught in the crossfire.
That said, and this is both heartening in that it shows a determination not to be bullied but worrying in that it suggests a hardening of positions, there is a growing body of opinion that these clubs, most of them owned by absentee landlords, will never stop wanting more. Even if they climb down this time, it will not be long before they are back agitating for changes to the league’s constitution, sale of overseas rights, loan system, cup formats and on and on.
On a less momentous day in English football, the headline news on Tuesday might have been that the Premier League and English Football League held their first meeting as part of the strategic review promised after the last coup d’etat the American owners of Liverpool and Manchester United tried to stage.
Project Big Picture seems like a made-for-TV production compared to their latest scheme but there are some who believe English football, perhaps even British football, would not just cope without the Big Six but thrive. Less TV money to go around, for sure, but there would be a rebalancing of the competition and a chance to properly address the pyramid’s structure and revenue distribution.
That, of course, could take place with the Big Six, too. Or is that as far-fetched a premise as half of an English city’s police force working for a crime lord who controls their empire via a message board?
Yes. it a legitimate question...You can't be serious.
Yes. it a legitimate question...
If Fifa,Uefa, and the Fa band all players from their tournaments would players be content playing in just the ESL knowing that they will never be able to play in the Euros or the World Cup two of the worlds biggest tournaments.
If you are someone like Harvey Elliott do you stick around?
No worries mate. I've gone through the Athletic thread and posted the most interesting ones. I got slack. Weathers good for a pint. I'd join you if i could. Maybe in July@737Max cheers for the articles. I’ll need a pint or 5 to read through them all. I just don’t have that time but appreciate you posting them.