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Is that why PSG have to accept the invitation within 14 days, as opposed to 30 for the Germans?
 
One thing I don't understand is how is UEFA going to ban players from the 12 clubs to participate in Euro's?
I mean, the players aren't the ones who decided to break out, they're just contracted to play for the break out teams.
 
“Football died” when
  • The premier league came into place
  • The champions league came in
  • When the Russians and Arabs came
  • When tickets out stripped inflation
  • Kit sponsors
  • £50k+/week for players
  • £20 million+ transfers
  • Agents
  • Sky and £40/month for the sports
  • Anothe mr subscription for BT
  • And Amazon prime
  • Then they all wanted PPV
  • VAR
  • Match day sponsors
  • Score sponsors
  • Coloured boots
  • New kits every season
  • Clubs on the stock market
  • Shite refs
So don’t be getting upset over this.
 
Leeds United players are planning to wear T-shirts pre match tonight that say:
'Earn it on the pitch. Football is for the fans.' - [@MattCritchley1]
 
Didi Hamann: “You may as well tear the Shankly statue down by the Kop. The European Super League goes against everything Liverpool Football Club stands for. We need to get our football clubs back. The American model doesn’t work in England.”
 
momoWASboss said:
“Football died” when
  • The premier league came into place
  • The champions league came in
  • When the Russians and Arabs came
  • When tickets out stripped inflation
  • Kit sponsors
  • £50k+/week for players
  • £20 million+ transfers
  • Agents
  • Sky and £40/month for the sports
  • Anothe mr subscription for BT
  • And Amazon prime
  • Then they all wanted PPV
  • VAR
  • Match day sponsors
  • Score sponsors
  • Coloured boots
  • New kits every season
  • Clubs on the stock market
  • Shite refs
So don’t be getting upset over this.
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All that is true.

Still doesn't mean you can't get upset over this though.

These proposals signify the death of jeopardy, competition, sport. Yeah, all those things up there are/were shit, but they didn't completely eradicate all point and purpose of the game.

This was always going to be their end goal. It's logical when you consider humanity's greed, capitalism and the natural promotion of psychopathy through the various strata of society. But I thought I'd be dead/the asteroid would've hit before it came into effect.
 
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LeTallecWiz said:
Leeds United players are planning to wear T-shirts pre match tonight that say:
'Earn it on the pitch. Football is for the fans.' - [@MattCritchley1]
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Leeds put the t-shirts in the Liverpool changing room as well.

Klopp has just gone off his nut.
 
The level of outrage is surprising to me - the only way you can succeed in football right now is if you get bought by a billionaire and get treated like a plaything.

Earning it? What?

The same ol teams win their domestic leagues for the most part and same goes for European competitions.
 
Whaddapie said:
I think all the "this is the death of football" posts are very naïve

It may the the death of the traditional model of football as we have all grown up on it - obviously, if it happens, it is certainly that - but expecting all fans to suddenly stop supporting their teams just because they've been part of this is foolish, IMHO. This move isn't geared to impress us, the "legacy" fans, who want to win the league first and foremost and see Europe as a wonderful distraction beyond that. It's for the ever-expanding global fanbase in markets like Asia and Africa that only know about a dozen clubs worldwide, and DO want to see them play each other, whenever possible.

For any boycott that we make may, they will pay twice the current ticket prices or subscription fees to watch us take on Barca then AC Milan then Real then the scum then Juventus, etc... Cunts though they are, the wankers who have made this decision are not stupid - They've not done this without having the numbers to show them that it will work. They don't care about us, or the history of any of the leagues that their clubs may soon leave behind, but they know this WILL be adopted by the majority of the fanbase out there.

Also, people slagging off the NFL over here, due to lack of relegation / promotion, etc... That's a fair point, but the league is a money-making machine, and there is constant (and year round) excitement over here for 'football'. Again, those pretending that such a model couldn't work in Europe are vastly underestimating the world's unquenchable thirst for top-class football.

We may want to see the league that we grew up, week in, week out, and we may enjoy watching Villa play Fulham, because it will somehow affect Liverpool and our chances at the top four, etc... but we are not who this is designed to impress.

This absolutely CAN work, and thrive, unless the players themselves boycott it. That, for me, is the key here.
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Sorry mate but bollocks to that. Firstly this is Europe not America. Then you have a whole college system underpinning those sports. Then you have the draft system that keeps the balance somewhat. Then American sports don't play internationals. Americans are also used to this setup they know fuck all else. Playing the same teams again and again will be boring as fuck and I'm fucked if I'm gonna start shouting "go reds" , whooping and yeehah-ing at the telly like some American bellend. And what then ? Sell the Liverpool "franchise" and move it the other side of Europe because the financial models work better? The biggest thing about all this is the absolute shithousery of it all. Fear of competition. Fear of missing out for a season. Well if you're shite you're shite and you don't deserve to be eating at the top table. It's a gobshite cartel that's a fucking affront to actual sport and competition. Fuck it. Fuck it all
 
Sky are going gung ho against it.
I wonder if they have a vested interest in this.
Perhaps the broadcast rights have already been agreed with someone else been the chosen one?
 
the count said:
Sky are going gung ho against it.
I wonder if they have a vested interest in this.
Perhaps the broadcast rights have already been agreed with someone else been the chosen one?
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I believe DZN are fully involved from the off so it’s massive deal for Sky and BT Sports. Not sure either will exist in the current form without PL or CL.
 
Lippy said:
Sorry mate but bollocks to that. Firstly this is Europe not America. Then you have a whole college system underpinning those sports. Then you have the draft system that keeps the balance somewhat. Then American sports don't play internationals. Americans are also used to this setup they know fuck all else. Playing the same teams again and again will be boring as fuck and I'm fucked if I'm gonna start shouting "go reds" , whooping and yeehah-ing at the telly like some American bellend. And what then ? Sell the Liverpool "franchise" and move it the other side of Europe because the financial models work better? The biggest thing about all this is the absolute shithousery of it all. Fear of competition. Fear of missing out for a season. Well if you're shite you're shite and you don't deserve to be eating at the top table. It's a gobshite cartel that's a fucking affront to actual sport and competition. Fuck it. Fuck it all
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I don't disagree with you, mate, and my post wasn't in support of what they're trying to do...

But your response is that of a lifelong, local supporter. Sadly, that category of fan (and I include myself in it) is no longer either the target demographic for these lizards, nor the main source of revenue for the clubs involved. The fact that it's something we'll ever accept or want, doesn't mean that the other markets around the world will feel the same. They - the owners and their 'future fans' - didn't grow up with it, they don't care about it like we do. And these 'future fans' are who these wankers are counting on, when a large number of us 'legacy fans' inevitably turn away from what this league would become.

We're acceptable collateral damage in their bigger-picture scheme, mate. They don't care about us. And they don't care about the club. They just care about money. And we don't make up enough of a share of what they bring in to matter... LFC is an asset to these wankers, and this way forward does potentially secure them the biggest ROI for them.

I hate it as much as you do. I just fear that it absolutely will work, and feel the claims that it cannot are based more in desperation and hope than in truth. At this point, I'm terrified that only a rebellion by players and managers can actually stop it from happening.
 
Surely all the best players in the world would want the bigger wages at the 12 clubs meaning other players having to play for the not so big clubs.
 
Whaddapie said:
I don't disagree with you, mate, and my post wasn't in support of what they're trying to do...

But your response is that of a lifelong, local supporter. Sadly, that category of fan (and I include myself in it) is no longer either the target demographic for these lizards, nor the main source of revenue for the clubs involved. The fact that it's something we'll ever accept or want, doesn't mean that the other markets around the world will feel the same. They - the owners and their 'future fans' - didn't grow up with it, they don't care about it like we do. And these 'future fans' are who these wankers are counting on, when a large number of us 'legacy fans' inevitably turn away from what this league would become.

We're acceptable collateral damage in their bigger-picture scheme, mate. They don't care about us. And they don't care about the club. They just care about money. And we don't make up enough of a share of what they bring in to matter... LFC is an asset to these wankers, and this way forward does potentially secure them the biggest ROI for them.

I hate it as much as you do. I just fear that it absolutely will work, and feel the claims that it cannot are based more in desperation and hope than in truth. At this point, I'm terrified that only a rebellion by players and managers can actually stop it from happening.
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Oh yeh I'm a "legacy" fan who don't matter anymore. You know one of those who was at the game freezing my bollocks off against Reading when we were that shite you couldn't give the tickets away. Those are the fans who make Anfield the cauldron it is. We've seen what happens this season when that ferocity isn't there. Like I say fuck it all mate. And it best fucking work because it could be the end of the club as we know it if it doesn't and it would serve us right.
 
Lippy said:
Sorry mate but bollocks to that. Firstly this is Europe not America. Then you have a whole college system underpinning those sports. Then you have the draft system that keeps the balance somewhat. Then American sports don't play internationals. Americans are also used to this setup they know fuck all else. Playing the same teams again and again will be boring as fuck and I'm fucked if I'm gonna start shouting "go reds" , whooping and yeehah-ing at the telly like some American bellend. And what then ? Sell the Liverpool "franchise" and move it the other side of Europe because the financial models work better? The biggest thing about all this is the absolute shithousery of it all. Fear of competition. Fear of missing out for a season. Well if you're shite you're shite and you don't deserve to be eating at the top table. It's a gobshite cartel that's a fucking affront to actual sport and competition. Fuck it. Fuck it all
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But will you be shouting.. "IN THE GOAL!!"
 
Lippy said:
Oh yeh I'm a "legacy" fan who don't matter anymore. You know one of those who was at the game freezing my bollocks off against Reading when we were that shite you couldn't give the tickets away. Those are the fans who make Anfield the cauldron it is. We've seen what happens this season when that ferocity isn't there. Like I say fuck it all mate. And it best fucking work because it could be the end of the club as we know it if it doesn't and it would serve us right.
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Yes, that may be the one factor that they haven't counted on, that could be their Achilles heel here...

Traditional Anfield reduces the world's best players to scared, panicking schoolboys. Traditional Anfield might be the greatest football stadium on earth... Take that away, by losing us "legacy fans", and the product on the pitch can only suffer as a result.

They probably feel that they can fill Anfield with these future fans, week in and week out, and maybe they can... But it won't be the Anfield that makes us what we are. And that might be what sees their investment fizzle out, long-term. So, maybe this is just a super-elaborate game of chicken for better / more European money or influence.

I hope so... 'Coz if we ever do reach the point that we discuss above, then it will be far too late to save the club as we know it.
 
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