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English Cricket/ *The Ashes*!

[quote author=IanTheRed link=topic=41229.msg1245459#msg1245459 date=1294363290]
Pity, bar the brilliant McGrath, all of the spineless Aussies haven't turned up for the final day. From the supporters, to the players, to the captain (and vice captain) and finally not to have a fucking Aussie present the Ashes to England. Shocking.


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That's shocking...
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41229.msg1245213#msg1245213 date=1294341579]
Imran Tahir

Mr. King - who is this? age etc?
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King - he's 31! Even if he's good, how long can he play for? 🙂
 
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Imran Tahir

Mr. King - who is this? age etc?
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King - he's 31! Even if he's good, how long can he play for? 🙂
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He is a very very good leg spinner though. He has a fantastic first class cricket record and the reason he hasn't played for SA is because he has just become eligible to play for SA. He is a pakistani by birth, who has lived in SA for 10 years now i think.

There is also Shaun Von Berg, who is also a promising young leg spinner. They may not be effective against India (leg spinners get treated like a joke in Indian domestic Cricket), but they will be good every where else. It is not really that hard to improve on Harris i think.

This is Shaun Von Berg so far...a bit inexperienced, but talented, and those are good numbers considering where he plays.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/393289.html

I really don't think Harris is a capable bowler. He doesn't turn it... at all. There is only so much you can do with loop and drift in Test cricket. He doesn't have variations like wrong-un, straighter ball (Well every ball is a straighter ball for him). I think Botha is better....
 
Imran Tahir is selected for the ODIs vs India. This should be interesting.

That is a very very tough debut. If he does well here, i think he will stick around for a while.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41229.msg1245509#msg1245509 date=1294387757]
It's funny how, whenever any international team of any sport goes through a bad spell, the national newspapers start diagnosing the fundamental reasons for the decline and lots of bollocks is written.

Some voices in the Australian media are apparently saying that England has an advantage over Australia, because our County Championship gives English players much more practice than the Aussie players get with their Sheffield Shield, which I think is basically a knockout competition.

I find this richly ironic, because when the Aussie bastards were knocking the stuffing out of England, the Australian newspapers said that it was because their Sheffield Shield was much more competitive than our County Championship. ;D
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spot on, plus exactly how much County Cricket do our players play- NOTHING !!!

Why can't it just be that one team was better this time rather than this whole root and branch shite
 
i just heard of von berg because he's the reason tahir just moved teams ... let's see how he does in ODIs as you say.
 
[quote author=Fox link=topic=41229.msg1245565#msg1245565 date=1294394812]
Why can't it just be that one team was better this time rather than this whole root and branch shite
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When the Welsh rugby team was going through a bad spell a few years ago, all the talk was that the closure of the coal mines had led to a race of weaklings! 🙂
 
Chuckle

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/cricket/reasons-why-poms-wont-win/story-e6frey50-1225955985591

PUNTERS are getting behind them and Australian cricket fans are becoming more nervous.

1 Overrated

They walked around The Oval after their dominant home summer like they were God's gifts to Wisden. Here's who they really beat. No one. Nuffies and cheats. England clean-swept the worst team on the planet, Bangladesh, and then won three out of four Tests against rotten Pakistan. Now they're portrayed as superstars.

2 Kevin Pietersen

He might be growing a moustache for a very good cause but he's still getting around looking like Dirk Diggler out of Boogie Nights. His most recent Test efforts have been the biggest joke. John Buchanan was right with his assessment of Pietersen. Buchanan was panned because the truth hurt. There's more than one 'I' in Kevin Pietersen and it hurts morale.

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3 No top speedster

Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad and Steve Finn are respectable quicks. But they lack the fear factor. Every truly great attack has someone pushing 150km/h, like Mitchell Johnson does for Australia. None of the touring fast bowlers are frightening. Away from swing and seam-friendly England, that doesn't leave them with much.

4 Passive captain

Andrew Strauss has to lead by example because his introverted demeanour doesn't get the blood pumping too much. Only his scores do. He leads with quiet assurance when things are going well. But he comes across as introverted and submissive when things start going pear-shaped.

5 No superstars

Pietersen is as good as anyone when he's in the mood, but he hasn't been in the mood for a long time. He couldn't make a hundred against Bangladesh - his 99 was close but no cigar - and Doug Bollinger, Ben Hilfenhaus and Johnson can smell blood. Graeme Swann is the only Englishman to make a world XI right now.England are successful because they know their limitations. Which means there are limitations.

6 Over-analysis

They've faced bowling machines with footage of Australian speedsters running in at them - and still didn't want to know about Mitchell Johnson. They've given themselves three weeks in Australia to acclimatise but haven't played on pitches like the monster they'll encounter at the Gabba. Every breath they take is a part of a suffocating plan. There's no freedom, nothing instinctive or adventurous. Paralysis by over-analysis.

7 No depth

In such a cramped schedule, injuries are bound to hit both camps. England are in serious strife if they lose any of their first XI. There's a vast gulf between their top-tier players and those on the standby list. Australia can only hope and pray that off-spinner Monty Panesar is called in for Graeme Swann. Australia have eight Test-standard speedsters in the queue.

8 Chokers

This is England we're talking about. Losing is a tradition. Think soccer World Cups. Think Tim Henman at Wimbledon. Think every cricket tour of Australia since 1986-87. They always arrive talking themselves up, vowing they won't wilt under the heat and pressure and scrutiny, then wilt under the heat and pressure and scrutiny. They've hired a self-described Yips Doctor - because they need one.

9 Warm-ups

Everyone keeps rattling on about England's perfect preparation. They must be having a laugh. A few of them made runs at Adelaide Oval. It's like batting on the Hume Highway. Anyone seen the scorecards? Western Australia rolled England for 223. South Australia dismissed them for 288 on the Hume. And Australia A ripped through their top order in Hobart A yesterday. Perfectly prepared? Piffle.

10 Scars

Five of their top six batsmen are the same lot who stumbled and bumbled through the 5-0 loss on England's last trip to Australia. The scarring is deep and real. Jimmy Anderson's memories of Australia are all nightmarish. He averaged 45.16. Broad and Finn are yet to play a Test series in Australia. Hard surfaces jarring bones and muscles, oppressive heat - they won't know what or who has hit them.
 
Hahahaha.

Australia have been beaten on every level on this test match. Out thought, out classed, and left utterly humiliated.

Fuck 'em.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41229.msg1245509#msg1245509 date=1294387757]
It's funny how, whenever any international team of any sport goes through a bad spell, the national newspapers start diagnosing the fundamental reasons for the decline and lots of bollocks is written. livescore goalwire

Some voices in the Australian media are apparently saying that England has an advantage over Australia, because our County Championship gives English players much more practice than the Aussie players get with their Sheffield Shield, which I think is basically a knockout competition.

I find this richly ironic, because when the Aussie bastards were knocking the stuffing out of England, the Australian newspapers said that it was because their Sheffield Shield was much more competitive than our County Championship. ;D
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That's what I was thinking!! We were told how perfect the Aussie sporting infrastructure was + how we had to copy it!!

They just had a generation of world-class players come through at once + are paying the price for not planning for after they retired.

The Aussie press have been overly harsh on them though, mainly because they refused to give England praise - it is always them playing badly than us playing well!!!
 
Most of what the press is saying is bullshit.

Australia had and i think still has reasonable bench strength. There is a huge crisis of confidence that needs to be addressed first. Even the current starting line up has 7 or 8 really really good players. (ponting, clarke, hussey, watto, johnson, bollinger, siddle, haddin are all top quality players.)

They need a leader of men first and foremost. Ponting is not that man unfortunately...he is still a boss player mind. His lack of leadership qualities is one of the main reason for this shit-fan scenario. Lack of planning on introducing and exposing bench players to this level of performance may have been another issue, but everything else about poor infrastructure/lack of talent etc is bullshit.
 
7 No depth

In such a cramped schedule, injuries are bound to hit both camps. England are in serious strife if they lose any of their first XI. There's a vast gulf between their top-tier players and those on the standby list. Australia can only hope and pray that off-spinner Monty Panesar is called in for Graeme Swann. Australia have eight Test-standard speedsters in the queue.

Can somebody please tell me who these eight 'Test-standard speedsters' are?

Because out of the cunts they put on the park, only Siddle got a pass.

The rest were absolute fucking *pants* barring Johnson's inexplicable spell in Perth.
 
The article by Will Swanton (I wonder if he is any relation of the late Jim Swanton, crusty old cricket journalist?) was just an example of a journo being deliberately provocative to sell newspapers, and therefore hardly deserves any comment.

His point about England having insufficient backup players was well and truly disproved, with Tremlett and Bresnan playing a full part in England's success. And on the batting side, there are several great players competing for Collingwood's place of whom Eoin Morgan is the front runner.
 
Andy Flower had a few words to say after the Ashes victory, and i was very impressed with all that he has said.

He is a very big reason for England doing very well, indeed, and he has set his sights at being the number one test team. I think if anyone could get England up to that level it is Andy Flower.

I didn't think much of Cook as a batsman, but the turn-around he has shown under Flower is significant, and i'm certain Flower has had a significant role in that considering what a gun batsman he was.

It's similar in a way to how Gambhir really improved under Kirsten.

Andy Flower is a top man!
 
Cook is man of the series, surely?

With Trott, Anderson and Tremlett not too far behind.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41229.msg1246142#msg1246142 date=1294484106]
The article by Will Swanton (I wonder if he is any relation of the late Jim Swanton, crusty old cricket journalist?) was just an example of a journo being deliberately provocative to sell newspapers, and therefore hardly deserves any comment.

His point about England having insufficient backup players was well and truly disproved, with Tremlett and Bresnan playing a full part in England's success. And on the batting side, there are several great players competing for Collingwood's place of whom Eoin Morgan is the front runner.
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Morgan's first class record is not impressive at all, but it seems the team management really rates him and that he will get a run.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41229.msg1246375#msg1246375 date=1294491010]
Andy Flower had a few words to say after the Ashes victory, and i was very impressed with all that he has said.

He is a very big reason for England doing very well, indeed, and he has set his sights at being the number one test team. I think if anyone could get England up to that level it is Andy Flower.

I didn't think much of Cook as a batsman, but the turn-around he has shown under Flower is significant, and i'm certain Flower has had a significant role in that considering what a gun batsman he was.

It's similar in a way to how Gambhir really improved under Kirsten.

Andy Flower is a top man!
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Gooch is batting coach and I'm sure had loads to do with the improvement also.
 
Certainly, but Flower as head coach will have pulled the strings overall. I share my semi-namesake's high rating of him and I hope he sticks around for a long time to come.
 
England's Squad for the world cup -

Squad Andrew Strauss (capt), James Anderson, Ian Bell, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Paul Collingwood, Eoin Morgan, Kevin Pietersen, Matt Prior, Ajmal Shahzad, Graeme Swann, James Tredwell, Jonathan Trott, Luke Wright, Michael Yardy

Any of you guys making to out there? I will be there for most of the india matches (fingers crossed)

Oh and is anyone following the SA v IND odi series? Its been an absolute cracker so far!
 
The only surprise is the omission of the wicketkeeper/batsman Steven Davies in favour of Matt Prior. Although Davies is doing OK in Australia, Andy Flower reckons that Prior is better suited to conditions on the Sub-Continent.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41229.msg1257007#msg1257007 date=1295447623]
The only surprise is the omission of the wicketkeeper/batsman Steven Davies in favour of Matt Prior. Although Davies is doing OK in Australia, Andy Flower reckons that Prior is better suited to conditions on the Sub-Continent.
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I think with prior having played the host nations in more than 50% of his matches (ODI's) the experience factor can't be discounted - mind you his batting stats look really average http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/18675.html?class=2;orderby=batted_score;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
 
I think Prior's figures suffer because in ODI's he often has to come in to bat when the run rate needs to be accelerated. He often sacrifices his wicket in the interests of scoring quick runs.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41229.msg1257044#msg1257044 date=1295449899]
I think Prior's figures suffer because in ODI's he often has to come in to bat when the run rate needs to be accelerated. He often sacrifices his wicket in the interests of scoring quick runs.
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His strike rate is not that great either...
 
Can't believe Luke Wright manages to keep a place in the England one day set-up ahead of the likes of Bopara & Rashid who are potential match winners.
 
Picked up the Ashes highlights DVDs the other day, which is more or less 600 minutes of Alastair Cook late-cutting some hapless cunt for four.

I had forgotten just how dominant England were in that series.

At one point I thought they were going to start splicing in footage from the one day series just to bump up the Aussie batting content.
 
Anyone following the England vs SL series?


I didn't think Eng would pull off a victory in the previous test.....terrific bowling from the big man.


Trott/Cook and Bell are on a terrific run. I think they all average 60+ since Tortt made his debut. I didn't rate Cook as a batsmen at all...shows what i know. Never in a million years would i have guessed that Pietersen will struggle to emerge from the shadow of these three.


Sanga's poor form in England continues, which i find quite hard to understand.
 
Test Cricket time again!

England Vs India at Lords battling for number one position.

India have performed really poorly in the tour game at Taunton...but they usually have one or two collapses in any tout, it's good that they got one out the way in a tour game.

Still...England are slight favorites to do well in this.
 
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