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Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
 
Regarding Gallas (and Arsenal), to quote the boxing commentator Jim Watt on many occasions "he's gone".

Out on his feet, etc. Worryingly they look like they may have blown it psychologically.
 
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=20999.msg500132#msg500132 date=1203857459]
I saw this last night... if u watch the replays... he has the same expression, its almost like a grimace like "fuck.... did I just do that?"

I don't think it was meant
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Yeah, it was a kinda nervous, 'Oh shit' grimace, it wasnt meant nastily.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=20999.msg500262#msg500262 date=1203869376]
Regarding Gallas (and Arsenal), to quote the boxing commentator Jim Watt on many occasions "he's gone".

Out on his feet, etc. Worryingly they look like they may have blown it psychologically.
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I don't really understand this... two draws and they're suddenly in disarray?

The whole situation is very odd.
 
I don't think the challenge was intended to be that bad. He nearly got the ball, Eduardo moved away, he caught his ankle. Taylor was just clumsy. The whole incident is very very unfortunate and I feel for both players involved.
 
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=20999.msg500255#msg500255 date=1203869110]
For tackles like this then there should be an extended ban, it wasn't two footed but it was a poke at the ball with studs showing, rather than a sweep with the leg across the deck for the ball. A professional player in Taylor's situation yesterday should know that 9 times out of 10 they wont get that ball, they shouldn't go for it.
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Agreed. I've always felt that "being a nice lad" shouldn't excuse a clumsy bad tackle.

If it were me, I'd introduce a system, whereby such tackles (real bad ones) would result in a ban equalling the length of the injury. So if Eduardo is out for a year, so is Taylor (perhaps there'd be an upper limit to the ban).

For me, it'd just mean players would be a lot more respectful when tackling their fellow professionals; knowing that a clumsy bad tackle that injures an opponent could see them out for the same length of time. So they would think twice about jumping into a late tackle that, as you say, they know 9 times out of 10, they're likely to get the man (and not the ball).
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
 
You can't introduce laws like that ibro because it'd completely change the game. Players won't feel able to go in and challenge for the ball anymore for fear of getting it wrong - do we want football to become a non contact sport?

You should only ban players when there is malicious intent - for example, Crouch against Chelsea. He got a rush of blood to head and just jumped in.
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
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Yes to a point. But I think Hansen was saying that Gallas' behaviour was not what would be expected of a captain, a player who the rest of the team need to look up to when things are going wrong.

regardless of the crying at the end his behaviour surrounding the penalty was at best bizarre and at worst a bit pathetic
 
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You can't introduce laws like that ibro because it'd completely change the game. Players won't feel able to go in and challenge for the ball anymore for fear of getting it wrong - do we want football to become a non contact sport?

You should only ban players when there is malicious intent - for example, Crouch against Chelsea. He got a rush of blood to head and just jumped in.
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Yeah, I suppose you're right.. but I think it's something to be looked at when talking about tackles, as you say, with malicious intent like Crouch/Thatcher/all of M.Brown's stuff - certainly if it ends up injuring a player.
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
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Yes to a point. But I think Hansen was saying that Gallas' behaviour was not what would be expected of a captain, a player who the rest of the team need to look up to when things are going wrong.

regardless of the crying at the end his behaviour surrounding the penalty was at best bizarre and at worst a bit pathetic
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I should say that i couldn't really hear the t.v when i was watching, im still not sure what was happening after the penalty was awarded, who was Gallas going for??
I really dont think we can criticise him as a captain. He was distraught as im sure everyone else was. If i were say, Cesc Fabregas, and i saw my captain crying after all that im not sure i would look on him as a bad leader but instead someone who is clearly devastated.
 
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[quote author=nornirongooner link=topic=20999.msg500277#msg500277 date=1203870270]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
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Yes to a point. But I think Hansen was saying that Gallas' behaviour was not what would be expected of a captain, a player who the rest of the team need to look up to when things are going wrong.

regardless of the crying at the end his behaviour surrounding the penalty was at best bizarre and at worst a bit pathetic
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Exactly.

And I see no one is commenting on, or at least acknowledging Wenger's comments about the tackle later that evening, including the newspapers.
 
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[quote author=nornirongooner link=topic=20999.msg500277#msg500277 date=1203870270]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
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Yes to a point. But I think Hansen was saying that Gallas' behaviour was not what would be expected of a captain, a player who the rest of the team need to look up to when things are going wrong.

regardless of the crying at the end his behaviour surrounding the penalty was at best bizarre and at worst a bit pathetic
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Exactly.

And I see no one is commenting on, or at least acknowledging Wenger's comments about the tackle later that evening, including the newspapers.
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What about them? What did he say exactly? To be fair, i think the only person we should be thinking about is Wenger. He's the most important thing right now
 
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[quote author=nornirongooner link=topic=20999.msg500277#msg500277 date=1203870270]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
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Yes to a point. But I think Hansen was saying that Gallas' behaviour was not what would be expected of a captain, a player who the rest of the team need to look up to when things are going wrong.

regardless of the crying at the end his behaviour surrounding the penalty was at best bizarre and at worst a bit pathetic
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Yeah I didnt see any of the other gooners throw a fit. And if they did Gallas should be the one to go over and say 'chin up' or whatever. Not captain-like at all.
 
[quote author=nornirongooner link=topic=20999.msg500296#msg500296 date=1203871125]

What about them? What did he say exactly? To be fair, i think the only person we should be thinking about is Wenger. He's the most important thing right now
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Wenger can get to fuck, my thoughts are with Eduardo.
 
Bollocks Gooner.

I'm not just talking about his Crying, He's a captain, a leader on the pitch, he should be saying never mind to the lads at 95 mins gone, never mind, were still 3 points clear etc.

Not, I repeat not at the fucking half way line facing the other direction before throwing a fucking hissy fit and booting the advertising hoardings.

Leader on the pitch my arse.
 
The commentator mentioned that Gallas is the only player in that Arsenal side who knows how to see out a title challenge - none of them have been there before. He is the old head, the experienced general and he let his troops down yesterday.

That said, I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly given what happened earlier - shit like that affects people differently.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500299#msg500299 date=1203871204]
Bollocks Gooner.

I'm not just talking about his Crying, He's a captain, a leader on the pitch, he should be saying never mind to the lads at 95 mins gone, never mind, were still 3 points clear etc.

Not, I repeat not at the fucking half way line facing the other direction before throwing a fucking hissy fit and booting the advertising hoardings.

Leader on the pitch my arse.
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Sorry but what was bollocks exactly? Im sure if you get in contact Gallas will make a formal apology for giving a shit
 
Gallas let his side down with his display of his attitude and emotions in the last few minutes, end of.

In a team of young talented players, most of who'm haven't won any silver ware, let alone the League, you need players like Gallas to stand up and lead his team mates,not have a hissy fit.

I'm not saying this subjectively either mate, Gerrard, in my opinion is miles off from being the perfect captain, if he'd done that, I'd have said just the same.
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=20999.msg500257#msg500257 date=1203869264]
Gallas was a joke last night, when I saw the MOTD highlights, he doesn't deserve to be Captain with Moronic behavious like that.
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Im not having this, i lost it when Hansen started having a go at Gallas. Why was he a joke? If your talking about him crying (as i think hansen was) it was perfectly reasonible. He may have just witnessed his young team mate and friends career ending game, he may have just seen his friends bone sticking out through his sock and heard his crys for help. Had i seen any thing like that theres no way i could have played on. Gallas did and no doubt the emotions of it all caught up with him. Add to that the fact that we were denied a penalty, given a harsh free kick against us and then an even harsher penalty.
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Yes to a point. But I think Hansen was saying that Gallas' behaviour was not what would be expected of a captain, a player who the rest of the team need to look up to when things are going wrong.

regardless of the crying at the end his behaviour surrounding the penalty was at best bizarre and at worst a bit pathetic
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Exactly.

And I see no one is commenting on, or at least acknowledging Wenger's comments about the tackle later that evening, including the newspapers.
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What about them? What did he say exactly? To be fair, i think the only person we should be thinking about is Wenger. He's the most important thing right now
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He said that his original comments about the tackle and the player (Taylor) were in effect OTT and that he was caught up in the emotion of the moment. Twas read out on MOTD. However the newspapers have ignored or glossed over it. As have people here.
 
Gallas is the captain and with that comes responsibility. He didn't show any of that at the end of the game yesterday. Regardless of the Eduardo injury, he is the one that ensure it's business as usual, however hard that may be. He blew it.
 
you can see te pressure getting to Gallas, it looked like they lost te title yesterday, by te way he was acting. kicking a bottle, watching te pen from the other half and crying after the game.

saying that i'd much rather they won it then the man u
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=20999.msg500332#msg500332 date=1203873517]
Gallas is the captain and with that comes responsibility. He didn't show any of that at the end of the game yesterday. Regardless of the Eduardo injury, he is the one that ensure it's business as usual, however hard that may be. He blew it.
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Gallas is a cunt.
Wenger is a cunt also.

That is all.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=20999.msg500461#msg500461 date=1203884384]
Wenger is a cunt also.
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Yes. Good old Arsene giving it the "I've seen this coming for ages, the opposition just want to kick us off the park" bollox in his post match interviews. Firstly, it wasn't intentional. Secondly, you're in charge of one of the most ill-disciplined, red card record holding clubs in the Premiership you hypocritical cunt.
 
For what's worth, quick recovery and successful rehabiltation Ed.

I still want the Gunners to win the EPL. If not may the Chavs win it.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=20999.msg500461#msg500461 date=1203884384]
Wenger is a cunt also.
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Yes. Good old Arsene giving it the "I've seen this coming for ages, the opposition just want to kick us off the park" bollox in his post match interviews. Firstly, it wasn't intentional. Secondly, you're in charge of one of the most ill-disciplined, red card record holding clubs in the Premiership you hypocritical cunt.
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exactly sheiky. he is a hypocritical cunt of the highest order.
 
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[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg500033#msg500033 date=1203843582]
Who said anything about forgetting about Eboue's antics?

I would totally endorse lengthy bans, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.


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i reckon you've never played the game
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Boohoohoo... you meanie :'(

Seriously you probably reckon football is a Real Man's games, and tackles like this are part of the game don't you, you big toughie?

And that's fine with me, I just don't agree with it. I might also be biased because I've had a broken leg and both cruciates done in by ridiculous challenges by hefty defenders who like Taylor, were simply looking to "let you know they're there" and "without malicious intent".
 
Oh, this was so awful, I feel so sorry for him.

Wish him all the best, I think the reactions of the Arsenal players said it all, we didn't need replays.
 
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