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[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg499948#msg499948 date=1203804365]

They should ban the offending player for the same amount of time his victim is out for, for stupid, bad tackles like this. I don't know about intent, cos photos don't reflect the speed of the game, but jumping in with studs showing are fucking dangerous and now Eduardo's paying for that part of the game not being stamped out.
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so you'd ban every player that went in with two feet?

people are going way overboard b/c of the viciousness of the injury - but there was no intent and i doubt taylor thought to himself, 'hmmm, let me mutilate my fellow professional' ...
 
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=20999.msg499950#msg499950 date=1203804422]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=20999.msg499944#msg499944 date=1203804201]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=20999.msg499930#msg499930 date=1203802429]
[quote author=Ijg link=topic=20999.msg499903#msg499903 date=1203798131]
Slightly better video of the incident...

http://www.footytube.com/2008/02/23/arsenal-v-birmingham-eduardo-injury/
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Taylor is a grade A cunt, after watching that I completely empathise with Wenger's comments. I think it was Samual of the times who said that although diving is a pain in the but a reckless tackle can finish off a career. The FA need to come down hard on Taylor and McLeish needs to shut the fuck up and stop defending the indefencible.
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WHAT?!?!?

Do you think Taylor did that on purpose? So you'd probably have asked for Jay McElvey to be banned for life too for his 'malicious' play against Djibs? Perhaps that's a bad example but the point is made. Football is a tough game and these horrific injuries are sometimes a part of the game ... Taylor got the red, which was justified and will be banned for 3 games, but a lifetime ban? Wenger can fuck off ... He didn't cry much when Eboue tried to circumcise Nani last week or when Niklas Bentender went in with two feet twice last week ...
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Empathise means to understand what someone is thinking to put themselves in their shoes. It does not mean that one agrees with the comments. Of course a lifetime ban in not on, but you can understand where Wenger is coming from, his player's career could be over.
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I really can't ... Do you remember any calls for 'Lucas Neill should be banned for life' by Liverpool staff or players after his horror tackle on Carra? It was a very very tough tackle but a lifetime ban?
 
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[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg499948#msg499948 date=1203804365]

They should ban the offending player for the same amount of time his victim is out for, for stupid, bad tackles like this. I don't know about intent, cos photos don't reflect the speed of the game, but jumping in with studs showing are fucking dangerous and now Eduardo's paying for that part of the game not being stamped out.
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so you'd ban every player that went in with two feet?

people are going way overboard b/c of the viciousness of the injury - but there was no intent and i doubt taylor thought to himself, 'hmmm, let me mutilate my fellow professional' ...
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he was reckless to the point of negligent and recklessness needs to be punished
 
Some good news...

Looks like the injury isn't as horrid as it looks. Apparently the first info Primorac got from Arsenal's doctors is that Edu is rather looking at a 6 months break, not a year-long one. He was promptly operated in Birmingham where it was established that he'd only (insert irony) broken his outer bone (fibula) in his left foot, whereas the inner bone was left intact. This was confirmed by both Gary Lewin and Edu's wife. Further exams will be taken in London, where Edu will be transported tomorrow.
A glimmer of hope indeed
Click to expand...
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=20999.msg499951#msg499951 date=1203804527]
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg499948#msg499948 date=1203804365]

They should ban the offending player for the same amount of time his victim is out for, for stupid, bad tackles like this. I don't know about intent, cos photos don't reflect the speed of the game, but jumping in with studs showing are fucking dangerous and now Eduardo's paying for that part of the game not being stamped out.
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so you'd ban every player that went in with two feet?

people are going way overboard b/c of the viciousness of the injury - but there was no intent and i doubt taylor thought to himself, 'hmmm, let me mutilate my fellow professional' ...
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he was reckless to the point of negligent and recklessness needs to be punished
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I guess we'll agree to disagree.

I for one thing Eboue's tackle last week was FAR MORE RECKLESS ... and NO ONE made a peep from the gooner staff ...
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=20999.msg499952#msg499952 date=1203804631]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=20999.msg499950#msg499950 date=1203804422]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=20999.msg499944#msg499944 date=1203804201]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=20999.msg499930#msg499930 date=1203802429]
[quote author=Ijg link=topic=20999.msg499903#msg499903 date=1203798131]
Slightly better video of the incident...

http://www.footytube.com/2008/02/23/arsenal-v-birmingham-eduardo-injury/
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Taylor is a grade A cunt, after watching that I completely empathise with Wenger's comments. I think it was Samual of the times who said that although diving is a pain in the but a reckless tackle can finish off a career. The FA need to come down hard on Taylor and McLeish needs to shut the fuck up and stop defending the indefencible.
[/quote]

WHAT?!?!?

Do you think Taylor did that on purpose? So you'd probably have asked for Jay McElvey to be banned for life too for his 'malicious' play against Djibs? Perhaps that's a bad example but the point is made. Football is a tough game and these horrific injuries are sometimes a part of the game ... Taylor got the red, which was justified and will be banned for 3 games, but a lifetime ban? Wenger can fuck off ... He didn't cry much when Eboue tried to circumcise Nani last week or when Niklas Bentender went in with two feet twice last week ...
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Empathise means to understand what someone is thinking to put themselves in their shoes. It does not mean that one agrees with the comments. Of course a lifetime ban in not on, but you can understand where Wenger is coming from, his player's career could be over.
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I really can't ... Do you remember any calls for 'Lucas Neill should be banned for life' by Liverpool staff or players after his horror tackle on Carra? It was a very very tough tackle but a lifetime ban?
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I'm not saying that he should be given a life time ban, but Wenger is a angry fuck at the moment and who can blame him, he will come out with these statments and you can understand why is doing so, although no one actually agreed with it verbatim.
 
the thing is Wiz, just because Wenger is regularly myopic about his players' own dirtiness doesn't mean that he is wrong about this too. these things have to be stamped out of the game.

for the record, when i say "understand", it means i understand where Wenger is coming from and why he'd say something like that. But I also talked about banning offenders for the time his victim is out as i think a lifetime ban is probably excessive, although not inappropriate if there was intent in the challenge.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=20999.msg499967#msg499967 date=1203806767]
I notice that for once in his life, Wenger actually had clear sight of an incident.
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He's retracted his statements now.
 
Match of the Day just showed a clear replay of the incident, doesn't look malicious at all.
 
Jesus, they've just shown the tackle on Match of the Day. Fucking hell, that was awful. He'll be lucky to play football again.

My thoughts are with the lad.
 
I feel very sorry for Eduardo. I've broken quite a few bones in my life, so I know (more or less) how he's feeling.

From certain angles, Taylor's tackle looks evil, from others it looks routine. I certainly don't think it's worse (in intention) than other tackles we see every week - including various tackles by our own captain. A life ban would be unfair, but we do need to try and prevent this as much as possible...
 
Ive just seen it for the first time and before watching it was expecting something a lot more malicious.

As far as I'm concerned, its just mistimed and because Eduardo's foot is planted, his leg snapped.

Wenger's reaction is ridiculous and I really wish Eduardo well but injuries like this will always happen in football. Its just circumstance.

Next time you see someone flying into a challenge, you'll still cheer, as will I because its part of the game.
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=20999.msg499982#msg499982 date=1203808607]
Ive just seen it for the first time and before watching it was expecting something a lot more malicious.

As far as I'm concerned, its just mistimed and because Eduardo's foot is planted, his leg snapped.

Wenger's reaction is ridiculous and I really wish Eduardo well but injuries like this will always happen in football. Its just circumstance.

Next time you see someone flying into a challenge, you'll still cheer, as will I because its part of the game.
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In fairness, Wenger retracted his earlier comments in a statement issued to the press.
 
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[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg499948#msg499948 date=1203804365]

They should ban the offending player for the same amount of time his victim is out for, for stupid, bad tackles like this. I don't know about intent, cos photos don't reflect the speed of the game, but jumping in with studs showing are fucking dangerous and now Eduardo's paying for that part of the game not being stamped out.
[/quote]

so you'd ban every player that went in with two feet?

people are going way overboard b/c of the viciousness of the injury - but there was no intent and i doubt taylor thought to himself, 'hmmm, let me mutilate my fellow professional' ...
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I would ban players that went in two footed, it's dangerous, fucking stupid and not needed. Not a life ban though. Probably 5 games.

He went in with studs showing, what did he think was going to happen? Very stupid challenege and deserves a lengthy ban regardless of his intent.
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=20999.msg499951#msg499951 date=1203804527]
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg499948#msg499948 date=1203804365]

They should ban the offending player for the same amount of time his victim is out for, for stupid, bad tackles like this. I don't know about intent, cos photos don't reflect the speed of the game, but jumping in with studs showing are fucking dangerous and now Eduardo's paying for that part of the game not being stamped out.
[/quote]

so you'd ban every player that went in with two feet?

people are going way overboard b/c of the viciousness of the injury - but there was no intent and i doubt taylor thought to himself, 'hmmm, let me mutilate my fellow professional' ...
[/quote]

I would ban players that went in two footed, it's dangerous, fucking stupid and not needed. Not a life ban though. Probably 5 games.

He went in with studs showing, what did he think was going to happen? Very stupid challenege and deserves a lengthy ban regardless of his intent.


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If lengthy bans were handed out for bad tackles then Stevie G would have been missing from the teamsheet for a good deal of the early part of his career. Naysmith and Boateng came through challenges from our captain relatively unscathed whilst Eduardo was horribly unlucky this morning.
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=20999.msg500022#msg500022 date=1203822106]
If lengthy bans were handed out for bad tackles then Stevie G would have been missing from the teamsheet for a good deal of the early part of his career. Naysmith and Boateng came through challenges from our captain relatively unscathed whilst Eduardo was horribly unlucky this morning.
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Oh and because Stevie G got away with it makes it right to let this sorry state carry on yes? I'm saying all tackles of this nature should incur a automatic lengthy ban, regardless of injury or not. Careers are possibly on the line here, although the probability of such an injury isn't high as you've rightly pointed out.

I'd like to see what the reaction among us would have been had it been Torres lying on the ground with a triple open compound facture.
 
The benefit we have is that it wasnt Torres or one of our players, so we can look at it objectively.

It wasnt even 2 footed.

These are big lads with a lot of power behind them. Yes, he had his studs showing, and it was a poor tackle, but it wasnt malicious and thats the main thing. Its just poor defensive technique and unfortunately, the consequences are as we saw
 
i_rushie, so lets hand out lengthy bans to anyone who injures another player but forget about idiots like Eboue who almost circumcise players ...

Jay McElvey for helping Cisse break his leg, 6 mths, bye bye!

Lucas Neill, for helping break Carra & Baros in the same game, 12 mths for you! bye bye

You see how stupid it is? We hate Neill's guts but I for one don't remember 'long bans' called for by our fans after those tackles etc ... There was NO INTENT to injure (none of these players are Roy Keane) and it was a bad tackle which resulted in a very bad injury ...
 
Who said anything about forgetting about Eboue's antics?

I would totally endorse lengthy bans, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
 
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg500033#msg500033 date=1203843582]
Who said anything about forgetting about Eboue's antics?

I would totally endorse lengthy bans, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.


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on every 'tackle' that results in an injury!?!?
 
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=20999.msg500033#msg500033 date=1203843582]
Who said anything about forgetting about Eboue's antics?

I would totally endorse lengthy bans, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.


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i reckon you've never played the game
 
Is Taylor smiling ?

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=20999.msg500126#msg500126 date=1203857306]
Is Taylor smiling ?

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I saw this last night... if u watch the replays... he has the same expression, its almost like a grimace like "fuck.... did I just do that?"

I don't think it was meant
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=20999.msg499967#msg499967 date=1203806767]
I notice that for once in his life, Wenger actually had clear sight of an incident.
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Yeah. I was wondering whether anyone else would pick up on it. Amazing that he never sees any wrongdoing of his own players - did you see Gallas go mental, you gallic twat? What? Not even when it was right in front of you?

And Wenger has retracted his immediate post game comments having had to time to reflect and actually view the tackle again.

Yes the tackle was late but only marginally. He should be punished for the tackle but not the outcome of the tackle as its very clear he never meant to injure the player he was just caught out by quick feet.

Best wishes for a full recovery for the player. What's the betting Taylor is one of the first to his bedside.
 
in regards to Hansen's comments last night, I remember Jim Beglin getting injured vaguely but was too young really to take it in. Was it a similar injury then?
 
Beglin's injury was against Everton and the lad's foot was pointing the wrong way. Yes, it was easily as bad.

He should have been our left back for a decade but he never properly recovered.
 
For tackles like this then there should be an extended ban, it wasn't two footed but it was a poke at the ball with studs showing, rather than a sweep with the leg across the deck for the ball. A professional player in Taylor's situation yesterday should know that 9 times out of 10 they wont get that ball, they shouldn't go for it.
 
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