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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43353.msg1240476#msg1240476 date=1293813366]
If you let Mr Hodgson go now that will be the end of it, but if you don’t I will look for you; I will find you; I will kill you
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Do you have a particular set of skills?
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43353.msg1240452#msg1240452 date=1293811996]
Dear Fenway Group --

Your snail-like pace in tending to the needs of Liverpool F.C. is making you look incompetent, and is turning the tide of support we had for your words, into disdain for your lack of actions. The club's morale is in great decline, good players will be considering leaving, and you will have to pay even more money to bring talent to the club.

Great English and European players will not come to play for a mid table club, and if they do, they will make great financial demands. And as we know you don't like spending large sums of money on players, so this is an even greater problem.

We urge you to act with greater urgency, to avoid turning our delight at your arrival into disdain, as that process is already starting.

It's time to take care of housekeeping, rather than tolerate the current mediocrity

Regards
Liverpool fan of 35 years
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This isn't quite true.
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They have to spend big in the MLB. All the sounds coming out of them for the January Window and beyond seem to indicate they will a bunch of "value buyers" going for youth mainly and an occasional big purchase.
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There are seldom any big deals that happens in january, mainlly because no clubs wants to sell their top players midseason.

No one knows what will happen after the season. Give them time, they've been here for 3 months.....
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Agree with the time aspect. Arsenal took their time to recruit Wenger (amidst fan pressure to react quickly), look how that turned out!

Saying that, Roy is way out of his depth here.
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43353.msg1240476#msg1240476 date=1293813366]
If you let Mr Hodgson go now that will be the end of it, but if you don’t I will look for you; I will find you; I will kill you
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Do you have a particular set of skills?
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Hmmm, I'm not sure you can 'math' someone to death, though our teachers came damned close at times.
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43353.msg1240476#msg1240476 date=1293813366]
If you let Mr Hodgson go now that will be the end of it, but if you don’t I will look for you; I will find you; I will kill you
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Do you have a particular set of skills?
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Hmmm, I'm not sure you can 'math' someone to death, though our teachers came damned close at times.
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Just have him call Hodgson and he will bore him to death with his ongoing mumbling shit...
 
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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Quite. Perhaps we should go the way of Newcastle, then we wouldn't have owners who just sit on their hands and do fuck all.

Three months and they haven't signed anyone either. Useless twats.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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Quite. Perhaps we should go the way of Newcastle, then we wouldn't have owners who just sit on their hands and do fuck all.

Three months and they haven't signed anyone either. Useless twats.
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Well ehh worry then? If you have knowledgable reactive owners and a respected skillful manager there is no need to worry bout fellow fans?
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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Quite. Perhaps we should go the way of Newcastle, then we wouldn't have owners who just sit on their hands and do fuck all.

Three months and they haven't signed anyone either. Useless twats.
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Well ehh worry then? If you have knowledgable reactive owners and a respected skillful manager there is no need to worry bout fellow fans?
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I'm not Insig, it takes time and it's not always as straight forward as it seems, and given they're new to the game, I think they could be forgiven for taking a step back and weighing everything up. I'm sure they're not stupid and they know the situation and are prepared to act on it soon. The last day or so has seen so many stupid assumptions based on either media talk or conjecture.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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I know, it's shocking some of us wanted no part of Hodgson from the beginning, wondering what part of his CV merited the job. And, wait,... we were right about how it turned out. If Whopper means "prescient", then count me in. Steady hands indeed.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43353.msg1240505#msg1240505 date=1293819067]
Well ehh worry then? If you have knowledgable reactive owners and a respected skillful manager there is no need to worry bout fellow fans?
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How do you know you don't have the former and soon to have the latter ? You don't really because you know, like most of us, fuck all about what goes on behind the closed doors that our new owners actually may prefer to business behind ? Unlike our last owners and board where all our dirty linen was washed in public and we became a laughing stock.

People hated the way the last lot did business and now, when we have owners that seem to do business the REAL Liverpool way i.e. in silence there's fuckwits moaning about that as well.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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Quite. Perhaps we should go the way of Newcastle, then we wouldn't have owners who just sit on their hands and do fuck all.

Three months and they haven't signed anyone either. Useless twats.
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Well ehh worry then? If you have knowledgable reactive owners and a respected skillful manager there is no need to worry bout fellow fans?
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I'm not Insig, it takes time and it's not always as straight forward as it seems, and given they're new to the game, I think they could be forgiven for taking a step back and weighing everything up. I'm sure they're not stupid and they know the situation and are prepared to act on it soon. The last day or so has seen so many stupid assumptions based on either media talk or conjecture.
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Mark I agree. But it's been two months. There's nothing but stagnation going on in the club. At some point, they have to see that sitting back "weighing" isn't serving the club. It's causing damage to their investment. You can act without damaging. Chelsea did it with Hiddink and he was a great caretaker. We need someone of similar abilities and stature until June. Keeping with Roy has no justification - even acting rashly would be a better option.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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I know, it's shocking some of us wanted no part of Hodgson from the beginning, wondering what part of his CV merited the job. And, wait,... we were right about how it turned out. If Whopper means "prescient", then count me in. Steady hands indeed.
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Virtually everyone was unimpressed with Hodgson but at least they were prepared to see what happened first. So you were right, good for you. Have a Blue Peter badge.

Now the same is happening with the owners. I'm pretty sure NESV are weighing everything up but I suppose it's easy to be critical when it's not your millions on the line.
 
Hey 😀, I've got no problem with them acting on sacking Roy, I want it done now, I was just saying that you can see why these things take time, especially for new owners, they at least have to preserve an air of patience. They could have sacked him two months ago and our 'caretaker' could now be under the cosh. Who knows? And what position would they be in then?

I think he'll be gone in the next week anyway, it's perfect timing really with the transfer window opening and a New Year. A New Hope, etc.. (I've been watching too much Star Wars over the hols!)
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=43353.msg1240513#msg1240513 date=1293819581]
Mark I agree. But it's been two months. There's nothing but stagnation going on in the club. At some point, they have to see that sitting back "weighing" isn't serving the club. It's causing damage to their investment. You can act without damaging. Chelsea did it with Hiddink and he was a great caretaker. We need someone of similar abilities and stature until June. Keeping with Roy has no justification - even acting rashly would be a better option.
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Hodgson is not up to the job and that's become increasingly clear. However the constant speculation about how our new owners are acting, what decisions they may be making etc.. is nothing more than that - pure speculation. Just wait and see - I doubt they'll be allowing us to lose so many games without having taking some notice of the situation. They're far from stupid and let's give them a little benefit of the doubt - we simply do not know whether they are acting on this or not
 
This new "Yanks Out" bollocks is nothing but hysterical bullshit. Fucking shameful.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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I know, it's shocking some of us wanted no part of Hodgson from the beginning, wondering what part of his CV merited the job. And, wait,... we were right about how it turned out. If Whopper means "prescient", then count me in. Steady hands indeed.
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Virtually everyone was unimpressed with Hodgson but at least they were prepared to see what happened first. So you were right, good for you. Have a Blue Peter badge.

Now the same is happening with the owners. I'm pretty sure NESV are weighing everything up but I suppose it's easy to be critical when it's not your millions on the line.
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Sheik, some of us don't care about being right, I would rather have been wrong. But you shouldn't slag off the people who said No way Jose. I never liked Blue Peter anyway.

Well that's the point about it all. They are actually hurting their investment, their "Millions" by persisting with a manager that is damaging their assets, their players, their revenue generation (No CL next year...)

When a good Gus Hiddink style appointment (A REAL set of steady hands), would guide us to dry land. Instead of taking a canoe out in the open seas with this joker.
 
It's similar to those who were complaining about Purslow and Broughton clearly doing nothing because we weren't hearing anything about a takeover for long periods of time.

The court records show that they contacted more than 130 different parties .
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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Quite. Perhaps we should go the way of Newcastle, then we wouldn't have owners who just sit on their hands and do fuck all.

Three months and they haven't signed anyone either. Useless twats.
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Well ehh worry then? If you have knowledgable reactive owners and a respected skillful manager there is no need to worry bout fellow fans?
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I'm not Insig, it takes time and it's not always as straight forward as it seems, and given they're new to the game, I think they could be forgiven for taking a step back and weighing everything up. I'm sure they're not stupid and they know the situation and are prepared to act on it soon. The last day or so has seen so many stupid assumptions based on either media talk or conjecture.
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Thing takes time. I am aware of that. But the situation has changed since they took over and backed Hodgson. You can actually compare it with Hodgson who dont want to change his gameplan no matter what happens out on the field!

I didnt want Hicks and Gillette originally because I dont trust yanks with football. They have a lot of culture for sport, and they have very good sport as well. But common for all their sports is that they have statiscal materials breaken down to all details to make judgement on. Football is different. Now H and G turned out to be greedy cunts with no passion for sports at all, and I didnt predict that. I also think Henry has the passion for it. But he is now talking numbers and metrics... Thats not football. Sorry.
 
Agreed ross - twats logan rogan taylor don't help as there seems to have developed a culture where the fans must know everything that ever happens, even though most wouldn't understand it.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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I know, it's shocking some of us wanted no part of Hodgson from the beginning, wondering what part of his CV merited the job. And, wait,... we were right about how it turned out. If Whopper means "prescient", then count me in. Steady hands indeed.
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Virtually everyone was unimpressed with Hodgson but at least they were prepared to see what happened first. So you were right, good for you. Have a Blue Peter badge.

Now the same is happening with the owners. I'm pretty sure NESV are weighing everything up but I suppose it's easy to be critical when it's not your millions on the line.
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But you shouldn't slag off the people who said No way Jose.
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There's not wanting him and there's wanting him sacked before he's even taken over. There's a difference. Wanting him sacked and calling him every cunt under The Lying Rag before he'd even managed...well, it's not something I'd expect from Liverpool supporters. Our support and patience is something that sets us apart but lately it seems a growing trend to send emails (and I'm not referring to JJ or you by the way, your e-mails were pretty well measured) and slag people off as soon as possible.
 
This is like those witch hunting tests in the middle ages. You know - if they drown they're innocent if they float they're witches so burn them
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240494#msg1240494 date=1293817757]
Managers sacked before they've managed us and now owners out only a couple of months after taking us over. We've got some right whoppers 'supporting' us.
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I know, it's shocking some of us wanted no part of Hodgson from the beginning, wondering what part of his CV merited the job. And, wait,... we were right about how it turned out. If Whopper means "prescient", then count me in. Steady hands indeed.
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Virtually everyone was unimpressed with Hodgson but at least they were prepared to see what happened first. So you were right, good for you. Have a Blue Peter badge.

Now the same is happening with the owners. I'm pretty sure NESV are weighing everything up but I suppose it's easy to be critical when it's not your millions on the line.
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But you shouldn't slag off the people who said No way Jose.
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There's not wanting him and there's wanting him sacked before he's even taken over. There's a difference. Wanting him sacked and calling him every cunt under the S** before he'd even managed...well, it's not something I'd expect from Liverpool supporters. Our support and patience is something that sets us apart but lately it seems a growing trend to send emails (and I'm not referring to JJ or you by the way, your e-mails were pretty well measured) and slag people off as soon as possible.
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Yeah Sheik, but that's kids usually right? They become silly in the anonymity of the online world. And then there's the eejits who use the C word before they've even woken up. It's not like anyone takes them seriously.

Anyway, I'd love us to "stay classy san diego" and be patient and do the Liverpool way, but it's not really serving us. I just don't see why we can't get in a part-time caretaker, someone who you know would deliver quickly and deliver us into the hands of the new era next June. Who am I thinking of. I am guessing Hiddink is out, so who else? There has to be two or three names out there.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240528#msg1240528 date=1293820449]
There's not wanting him and there's wanting him sacked before he's even taken over. There's a difference. Wanting him sacked and calling him every cunt under the S** before he'd even managed...well, it's not something I'd expect from Liverpool supporters. Our support and patience is something that sets us apart but lately it seems a growing trend to send emails (and I'm not referring to JJ or you by the way, your e-mails were pretty well measured) and slag people off as soon as possible.
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We were only talking about this the other night. Some of the so called supporters of our club these days are right jokers. Everyone is within their right to be unhappy with the situation at the moment but there's no sense of perspective, reality or any form of patience these days. It's slip into mass hysteria mode and every mini crisis. This club has been raped and fucking pillaged over the last 3 years under Hicks and Gillet (and that's after years of relative decline) and people expect that to be rectified overnight. To expect that is fucking ridiculous. FSG fought hard to get this club in situations were many investors would have fucked it off for the hassle. They deserve time and the patience from people to be allowed to put things right. I believe people will start seeing things soon. For fucks sake the FIRST transfer window hasbn't even opened since they took over.

If people haven't got that little bit of respect and patience and dive into mini-crisis mode every day then they're not taking the broader view. I've said it before - it's the easiest thing into the world to support a winning team. If people can't handle the fact we're shite and aren't willing to give our brand new owners a fair chance to put it right then they should fuck off and go and support whatever fairweather bandwagon team is the flavour of the month - sure there's plenty of room at Man City
 
Who is to say we won't have a 'new' manager pretty time soon Local? They were never going to sack Hodgson as soon as they came in and the position we now find ourselves in the league given the time Hodgson has had, is, in my opinion, the first time NESV will analyse as true and fair reflection of his tenure. I do believe they thought to keep him for the season and then replace him with their long term candidate but I now reckon he'll be gone pronto.
 
Well, I knew Christian Poulsen was not good enough for Liverpool. Did I have to see it and give him å chance before au said so?
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43353.msg1240528#msg1240528 date=1293820449]
There's not wanting him and there's wanting him sacked before he's even taken over. There's a difference. Wanting him sacked and calling him every cunt under the S** before he'd even managed...well, it's not something I'd expect from Liverpool supporters. Our support and patience is something that sets us apart but lately it seems a growing trend to send emails (and I'm not referring to JJ or you by the way, your e-mails were pretty well measured) and slag people off as soon as possible.
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We were only talking about this the other night.

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Were we? Fuck, I really was hammered.
 
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