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Duncan Jenkins...odd story

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Seriously, people should check out what Nick Harris, who's the Sports Journalists Association Internet Sports Journalist of the Year, has to say about it on Twitter. He's got integrity and is highly respected and he's the guy who exposed Kenny Huang as a fraud. @sportingintel
 
Sounds pretty reasonable.

I disagree. To be fair the author may not be that intelligent, but he claimed it was one persons word against the other. That is hilariously false. A meeting happened. A relentless stream of missed calls happened. And the threats happened. The evidence for that is all presented in the blog. If it did not happen, then the emails are falsified and Jen "I will find you and I will kill you" Chang should commence legal proceedings. But that isn't going to happen. The guy's just a pitiful loser who deserves to be fired on Monday morning.
 
Seriously, people should check out what Nick Harris, who's the Sports Journalists Association Internet Sports Journalist of the Year, has to say about it on Twitter. He's got integrity and is highly respected and he's the guy who exposed Kenny Huang as a fraud. @sportingintel

he's the one the SOS bellends got angry with last year for telling the truth.
 
I disagree. To be fair the author may not be that intelligent, but he claimed it was one persons word against the other. That is hilariously false. A meeting happened. A relentless stream of missed calls happened. And the threats happened. The evidence for that is all presented in the blog. If it did not happen, then the emails are falsified and Jen "I will find you and I will kill you" Chang should commence legal proceedings. But that isn't going to happen. The guy's just a pitiful loser who deserves to be fired on Monday morning.

What were the the threats ?
 
Read the blog mate. It's pretty telling.
No overt threats in the emails. You could read the below as a threat, but it is hardly going to hold up in court or anything.

You had stated you’d tweet what was agreed as an amenable solution.
If it isn’t done by end of day today I’m going to assume that you have no real
interest in an amicable resolution.
As I already said, I would strongly prefer an amicable resolution.
Regards
 
What were the the threats ?


Jen
I assured, indeed guaranteed you I did not and do not have a 'mole' inside the club. I do not have
any kind of 'mole', anywhere. You have since had time to prove this via the checks you were planning
on running.
In light of our meeting in Manchester, the thought of being banned from Anfield for life, losing a lifelong
friend (whose name is on the season ticket), and more distressingly my family and my family's livelihood
being ruined by outing 'Duncan' to the press, I've had a particularly stressful couple of days.
However I was under the impression, since you claimed to believe me, that all that would now be off
the table?
You know I don't want to go down that route as I would be out of my depth.
If this isn't the way forward then I am happy to discuss further.
 
Then loads on here should love him then !

He's the only journalist that actually investigates what he reports. The rest of them rely on bullshit sources who tell them what they want us to know.

It didn't take a genius to work out Huang was iffy (although he now owns a share in Inter) - the website was a giveaway
 
(start reading at the bottom)
Hard to disagree with any of that. I was hoping for some new info, but he knows nothing more than we do.

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#lfc 7/ As to timing of blog, looked v crass given IPCC statement. What I gather (on evidence heard) = a bad coincidence, not deliberate.
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#lfc 6/ I hope - for sake of all, not least the club - is amicably resolved quickly. Doesn't need to get any messier.
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#lfc 5/ Some people know who DJ really is and I suspect it won't be long before he openly tells this story in his real name.
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#lfc 4/ Only 2 people were there. Only they know what was said. One of them - 'DJ ' - has given his version. It might help if the other did.
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#lfc 3/ Whole situation has got way out of hand, and is causing loads of grief to loads of people. Non-specific denials from club don't help

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#lfc 2/ ... it's pretty safe to say all the emails in that blog are genuine; that meeting DID take place, and it lasted almost two hours.

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#lfc 1/ I had no idea who @duncanjenkinsFC was when his extraordinary blog was published on Friday (http://duncanjenkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/such-little-thing-makes-such-big.html). I know now & ....
 
Yep but why hasn't Chang come out with his version of the day instead of referring to everything as nonsense ?
 
Whether or not we believe Shaggy's version of events, the club have cocked this one up anyway. They really should have just ignored it and written it off as the joke everyone knew it was (or if they were that fussed I'm sure they could have reported the twitter account as abusive).

One thing that does confuse me slightly though is how Cheng contacted Shaggy. He sent a DM on twitter then apparently unfollowed, therefore closing that conversation down. He wasn't to know that Shaggy was going to send a follow up email, yet seemed very well prepared when he did. Just seems a little strange, especially given that he had his name, phone number, address and (probably) his email address.
 
Yep but why hasn't Chang come out with his version of the day instead of referring to everything as nonsense ?
Yes, it is quite suspicious how he makes out as if this is beneath him to bother with, yet he had a long meeting with Shaggy, exchanged several emails, called repeatedly... Doesn't look good.
 
Yes, they key thing is surely no one at the club should have been bothered about something like this. It's wince-makingly embarrassing.
 
Whether or not we believe Shaggy's version of events, the club have cocked this one up anyway. They really should have just ignored it and written it off as the joke everyone knew it was (or if they were that fussed I'm sure they could have reported the twitter account as abusive).

One thing that does confuse me slightly though is how Cheng contacted Shaggy. He sent a DM on twitter then apparently unfollowed, therefore closing that conversation down. He wasn't to know that Shaggy was going to send a follow up email, yet seemed very well prepared when he did. Just seems a little strange, especially given that he had his name, phone number, address and (probably) his email address.

Which is the completely ridiculous thing about the whole sorry episode Richey. Clearly the whole thing was a piss take and not to be taken seriously. For some reason Chang did, baffling as it sounds. Then , instead of going in and resolving it with the carrot approach, he uses the stick. And this is the reaction, all completely avoidable, but just another example of how bad the clubs recruitment process is failing.
 
Yeah but ignoring it is probably the best way for Chang to worm out of it , he can just write it off as some "internet loon" which he is already doing . Ok it got a little media exposure but not a huge amount , most likely as papers don't want to piss the club off and lose benefits which they need . So the majority of fans probably don't even know about this ,loads more don't care and the rest well they're so tribal they won't want to acknowledge the club can do any wrong so are attacking DJ .
 
It's funny though how internet blogs and fanzines have become so "powerful" and how people take it so seriously . I mean the majority of people involved in them are just no marks who've now found themselves in positions where the club are inviting them to press events etc . Don't get me wrong i like some of them and understand why the club are trying to get them involved and onside but they're mainly just amateurs so you wonder if it's worth the hassle . It's the internet, a wild beast that even the mighty Jen is struggling to slay .
 
Which is the completely ridiculous thing about the whole sorry episode Richey. Clearly the whole thing was a piss take and not to be taken seriously. For some reason Chang did, baffling as it sounds. Then , instead of going in and resolving it with the carrot approach, he uses the stick. And this is the reaction, all completely avoidable, but just another example of how bad the clubs recruitment process is failing.
Just wondering if this is a case of a clash of cultures.
Maybe I am stereotyping but while anyone this side of the Atlantic could see the whole Duncan Jenkins was a piss take perhaps Chang has an American stone facedness that didn't see or appreciate the humour in it.
Either way his actions have been way out of proportion.
 
This whole affair seems to raise alot of questions about discretion and how much the club and fans 'can' go hand in hand, there's a reason there are barriers of sorts, and while it's an interesting idea to invite fans or parts of the Liverpool FC community to such things as Press Conferences, it becomes a bit telling when stuff like this unfolds, because ultimately while the club should be willing to take on board what the fans want, there has to be a limit to how much Joe public gets to see and say.

It's like when you go and watch your kids play, we're all wannabe football managers sat on the sidelines questioning everything and we all want an input, but there are people employed at the club that are there to do that and should be left to it to a degree without having to have every aspect of it under a microscope.

I haven't watched any of this Fox program for that reason, because I'd rather leave what goes on behind the scenes to those that run it. That's not to say I don't think we should have a valued opinion, it's just the whole 'reality show' side of football with Twitter and ideas like this that open up the club to too much criticism. If stuff like this was available to us 30 years ago, I doubt we'd all be happy with some aspects of how the club was run, but we were winning on the pitch, so it didn't matter. The assumption is always that if things are going well on the pitch, then all is well off it. This just raises question after question and puts more and more pressure on the club at a time when it needs to respond in a positive way and needs everyone on the same ship traveling in the same direction. Instead, incidents are more visible and it creates more and more fractures within the club's set up, more and more bad press and more and more pressure to succeed - against more and more adversity.

I don't know what went on. I always found Shaggy a good lad for the most part whom could occasionally be pretty scathing when he wanted to be, no problem with that, though the incident with Macca and a couple of other situations left a few questions about his personality. But then, what is his personality? It's just an internet persona, and it seems this whole situation surrounds 'another' persona that was created and eventually got out of hand and out of it's depth. So what do we really believe? We're not shy of hiring dickheads either, we all know that, bringing in people from other sporting cultures, and from different parts of the World creates a multi cultural team that blends ideas, but also clashes too. That in itself creates it's own problems.

The whole thing sounds like a sorry issue that really should just be handled behind closed doors, we need to stop airing our laundry in public. Fuck twitter, fuck blogs and fuck that embarrassing program. We're becoming a laughing stock, even moreso than we already have been over the last few years.

Close the doors and get the fucking house in order.
 
Just wondering if this is a case of a clash of cultures.
Maybe I am stereotyping but while anyone this side of the Atlantic could see the whole Duncan Jenkins was a piss take perhaps Chang has an American stone facedness that didn't see or appreciate the humour in it.
Either way his actions have been way out of proportion.

If such cultural differences do exist and he can't comprehend them then certainly Director of Communication is the wrong role for him
 
This whole affairs seems to raise alot of questions about discretion and how much the club and fans 'can' go hand in hand, there's a reason there are barriers of sorts, and while it's an interesting idea to invite fans or parts of the Liverpool FC community to such things as Press Conferences, it becomes a bit telling when stuff like this unfolds, because ultimately while the club should be willing to take on board what the fans want, there has to be a limit to how much Joe public gets to see and say.

It's like when you go and watch your kids play, we're all wannabe football managers sat on the side lines questioning everything and we all want an input, but there are people employed at the club that are there to do that and should be left to it to a degree without having to have every aspect of it under a microscope.

I haven't watched any of this Fox program for that reason, because I'd rather leave what goes on behind the scenes to those that run it. That's not to say I don't think we should have a valued opinion, it's just the whole 'reality show' side of football with Twitter and ideas like this that open up the club too much to criticism. If stuff like this was available to us 30 years ago, I doubt we'd all be too happy with some aspects of how the club is run, we didn't know then but we were winning on the pitch, so it didn't matter. The assumption is always that if things are going well on the pitch, then all is well off it. This just raises question after question and puts more and more pressure on the club at a time when it needs to respond in a positive way and needs everyone on the same ship travelling in the same direction. Instead, incidents are more visible and it creates more and more fractures with in the club's set up, more and more bad press and more and more pressure to succeed - against more and more adversity.

I don't know what went on. I always found Shaggy a good lad for the most part whom could occasionally be pretty scathing when he wanted to be, no problem with that, though the incident with Macca and a couple of other situations left a few questions about his personality. But then, what is his personality? It's just an internet persona, and it seems this whole situation surrounds 'another' persona that was created and eventually got out of hand and out of it's depth. So what do we really believe? We're not shy of hiring dickheads either, we all know that, bringing in people from other sporting cultures, and from different parts of the World creates a multi cultural team that blends ideas, but also clashes too. That in itself creates it's own problems.

The whole thing sounds like a sorry issue that really should just be handled behind closed doors, we need to stop airing our laundry in public. Fuck twitter, fuck blogs and fuck that embarrassing program. We're becoming a laughing stock, even moreso than we already have been over the last few years.

Close the doors and get the fucking house in order.

Yeah ! Shut down the Internet forums too and lets go back to the good old days of talking about footy !
 
I hope this serves as a warning, for all those people on the internet, pretending to have insider information and posting fictional stories about imminent signings etc.
 
I developed a twitter character but before the first tweet I discovered in his backstory he'd been on Jim'll Fix It. I was too depressed to 'go live' with it, although I am pursuing compensation from the NHS and the BBC.
 
I hope this serves as a warning, for all those people on the internet, pretending to have insider information and posting fictional stories about imminent signings etc.

On the contrary, I hope it encourages more people to do it. Jen Chang wouldn't get a minute's peace from travelling all over the country confronting random fans.
 
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