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Young has a year left on his contract and can sign a pre-contract in 6 months time so Villa would get nothing. I'm glad we're not getting Young. Downing is going to happen, as is Adam. In my opinion.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44931.msg1353678#msg1353678 date=1308819803]
Young has a year left on his contract and can sign a pre-contract in 6 months time so Villa would get nothing. I'm glad we're not getting Young. Downing is going to happen, as is Adam. In my opinion.
[/quote]Yup. Thats what the man with the tan says.
 
[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=44931.msg1353670#msg1353670 date=1308819526]
If sombody told you on jan 1st we would spend 70 million on players most would be estatic!

Imagine if that same person told you, the signings were signing Carrol, Henderson and Downing 😱
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You forgot Suarez. And tbh, if Suarez was included in that list, yes I would have been ecstatic.
 
I'd rather start the season with downing on the left than 19m in liverpool's bank, just saying.

that said, didn't thw wigan manager say he would sell 'the zog' for 15m? c'mon it's a no brainer.
 
we probably will be overpaying for downing but i dont really give a fuck, he'll do a decent job for us, if the owners feel comfortable throwin that kinda money about then thats fine with me
 
Im not surprised....with what we paid for Suarez, Carroll and Henderson clubs know that we're not afraid to spend big. Its our own fault. Add in the fact that downing is english and yeah, 19 million sounds about right.....not saying he's worth it at all.....but not surprised in the least!!!
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44931.msg1353678#msg1353678 date=1308819803]
Young has a year left on his contract and can sign a pre-contract in 6 months time so Villa would get nothing. I'm glad we're not getting Young. Downing is going to happen, as is Adam. In my opinion.
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Fair enough, I forgot to take that into consideration.

FUCK! WE ARE PAYING 19 MILLION POUNDS FOR STEWART DOWNING

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND MOLBYSTWIN RIGHT NOW
 
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=44931.msg1353693#msg1353693 date=1308820288]
Im not surprised....with what we paid for Suarez, Carroll and Henderson clubs know that we're not afraid to spend big. Its our own fault. Add in the fact that downing is english and yeah, 19 million sounds about right.....not saying he's worth it at all.....but not surprised in the least!!!
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This is a big factor atm Sluggy, clubs have seen us coming and know we're prepared to pay big right now.
 
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[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=44931.msg1353693#msg1353693 date=1308820288]
Im not surprised....with what we paid for Suarez, Carroll and Henderson clubs know that we're not afraid to spend big. Its our own fault. Add in the fact that downing is english and yeah, 19 million sounds about right.....not saying he's worth it at all.....but not surprised in the least!!!
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This is a big factor atm Sluggy, clubs have seen us coming and know we're prepared to pay big right now for players who are just potentially good, so we should be able to clean them out for players who're slightly better than average
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Reminds me of the Travolta/Samuel L conversation in the diner in Pulp Fiction:

"Jules, if you give that fucking nimrod $500 I shoot you my fucking self"

Stweart Downing is our Tim Roth.
 
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[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=44931.msg1353693#msg1353693 date=1308820288]
Im not surprised....with what we paid for Suarez, Carroll and Henderson clubs know that we're not afraid to spend big. Its our own fault. Add in the fact that downing is english and yeah, 19 million sounds about right.....not saying he's worth it at all.....but not surprised in the least!!!
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This is a big factor atm Sluggy, clubs have seen us coming and know we're prepared to pay big right now.
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He's English, 25 yrs old, current England International and has years left on his contract at Villa ....... was never going to come cheap.

As Lewy said though ...... I'd rather have Downing than money left in the bank when the season starts (really thought we were going to get Mata or N'Zogbia though - maybe this is a smokescreen *cries* ).

However Liverpool, Citeh, United, Chelsea and Spurs are never going to get good players on the cheap ... everyone knows English clubs are almost on the same level as Barca / Real when it comes to transfer fees.
 
All things considered..



------------Carroll/Wickham----Suarez

Dowing/Mata----------------------------Kuyt/Henderson

------------Adam/lucas--Gerrard/Raul



Is this a title winning midfield and attack? Is it even a top four caliber?
 
I think this has probably been said in various threads.

Would he improve our existing team - yes

Would he be everyone's realistic first choice - No

So if we don't come up with anyone better before deadline day, I am quite happy.

I don't lose sleep over the quantum, every small improvement must come at a cost and when you are in our position, ie without CL football to offer that cost is inflated, and your options more limited. We ain't got the top stars falling over themselves to come here, so we have to make our own, and bring out the best in people that have potential.

I think that in some areas is called lack of ambition, in others realism


regards
 
You make sense Vlad but it's this kind of thinking that got us to lower our expectations and sign Roy hodgson.
 
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'

Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
 
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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'

Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
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Have we ever had one of them? I can't think of one
 
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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'

Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
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It's not my money, I don't really care. Mata and Downing could both play in the same team, and they don't just play the same position, Mata can play many positions. This isn't really the point I was trying to make, I was implying that people wouldn't mind signing Downing if he wasn't our top signing this summer. I wouldn't, although i'd agree I think he's not value for money, as long as there's better players coming in, I couldn't give a fuck.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'

Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
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It's not my money, I don't really care. Mata and Downing could both play in the same team, and they don't just play the same position, Mata can play many positions. This isn't really the point I was trying to make, I was implying that people wouldn't mind signing Downing if he wasn't our top signing this summer. I wouldn't, although i'd agree I think he's not value for money, as long as there's better players coming in, I couldn't give a fuck.
[/quote]But why? Why couldnt you give a fuck?
I dont understand how you could be nonplussed by signing an 8m player for 20m who wont improve us.
It is fucking baffling all this.
 
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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353880#msg1353880 date=1308828474]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'

Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
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It's not my money, I don't really care. Mata and Downing could both play in the same team, and they don't just play the same position, Mata can play many positions. This isn't really the point I was trying to make, I was implying that people wouldn't mind signing Downing if he wasn't our top signing this summer. I wouldn't, although i'd agree I think he's not value for money, as long as there's better players coming in, I couldn't give a fuck.
[/quote]But why? Why couldnt you give a fuck?
I dont understand how you could be nonplussed by signing an 8m player for 20m who wont improve us.
It is fucking baffling all this.
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Because it's not my money it has no effect on me, like someone else said in the thread, I'd prefer to have the player instead of having the money in the bank, only one has a chance of effecting our results.

Now if the question was we'll spend £20million on Downing instead of putting the money towards someone else, it would be a VERY different.

And Downing will improve us, just not as much as the price tag suggests.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353887#msg1353887 date=1308828946]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353880#msg1353880 date=1308828474]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'

Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
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It's not my money, I don't really care. Mata and Downing could both play in the same team, and they don't just play the same position, Mata can play many positions. This isn't really the point I was trying to make, I was implying that people wouldn't mind signing Downing if he wasn't our top signing this summer. I wouldn't, although i'd agree I think he's not value for money, as long as there's better players coming in, I couldn't give a fuck.
[/quote]But why? Why couldnt you give a fuck?
I dont understand how you could be nonplussed by signing an 8m player for 20m who wont improve us.
It is fucking baffling all this.
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While I agree with your summation of Downing's value, there's no doubt he would improve us. Unfortunately.
 
I really hope this is all smoke and mirrors. Downing is not the answer.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'


Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
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It does make sense because the second part is just your interpretation of what he said oncy. Its a given that the money quoted for downing is over what he's worth but after paying 35 million for carroll I dont think some people would mind seeing Downing coming in for 19 provided we also got Mata, I for one wouldnt anyway. They would both improve us in the immediate future. But then again it makes no sense to improve the team...or so you say!
At the end of the day if the club believe that paying that much for Downing is good business i'll accept it and sit back and watch the fireworks from august on regardless!

Just out of interest....would you have preferred young or downing?
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'


Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
[/quote]

But then again it makes no sense to improve the team...or so you say!
[/quote]Yeah thats what i said.
*walks off*
 
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[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=44931.msg1353942#msg1353942 date=1308832277]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'


Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
[/quote]

But then again it makes no sense to improve the team...or so you say!
[/quote]Yeah thats what i said.
*walks off*
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Couldn't seen this coming anyway....typical reaction when anyone challenges you!!

Don't know why I bother
 
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=44931.msg1353945#msg1353945 date=1308833011]
Don't know why I bother
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
Exactly
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Some kind of response like that I presume!
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353943#msg1353943 date=1308832688]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=44931.msg1353942#msg1353942 date=1308832277]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1353860#msg1353860 date=1308826892]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=44931.msg1353856#msg1353856 date=1308826617]
Tbh, I don't think many people would mind singing Downing at all, as long as we get Mata also.
[/quote]That makes no sense.

'I dont think anyone minds us wasting 20m on Downing as long as in the same window we pay 30m for someone better than him in that position'


Seriously. I know its done and im into 'hope' mode now but nothing can convince me spending 15-20m on this loser is anything other than a monster waste of cash that we are becoming synonymous with.

I just wanted ONE window when we didnt fuck up massively.
[/quote]

But then again it makes no sense to improve the team...or so you say!
[/quote]Yeah thats what i said.
*walks off*
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Couldn't seen this coming anyway....typical reaction when anyone challenges you!!

Don't know why I bother
[/quote]Challenging me? What are you 8?
I dont know why you bother either if thats the best you can come up with.

Spending 20m on Downing is fucking retarded and signing a better player who DOES play the same position for even more money within weeks is even MORE fucking retarded. It DOESNT make it more pallatable it makes it MORE retarded.
The poster said i dont think people would mind 'as long as' we signed mata too.
I pointed out that i do mind, and in fact i think its worse, to which you reply with some bollocks about me NOT wanting to improve the team.
You can see why i wasnt bothered typing this long response out right?
But ive been and gone and done it anyway. None of this makes signing Downing any less retarded.

'I dont think anyone will mind us signing Marcus Bent so long as we sign Messi'

FFS.
 
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