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Are you seriously saying that as a set piece resulted from our pressing game, then the style is at fault? That explains why the teams that don't have that style NEVER concede free kicks or corners.
If we could learn to successfully defend set pieces then we would be fine ... noting to do with pressing at the other end.
Often in our club, a new manager comes, gives a dynamite press conference, everyone is reminded of Shankly, has a couple of good transfer windows, wins a few cups, raises expectations, has a couple of bad transfer windows, press conferences resemble a paranoid wreck justifying his increasingly weird tactics and selections, and then gets fired.
We seem to have become more effective in recent times. Our managers directly transition from dynamite Shankly press conferences to weird ones and skip the winning cups step in between.
I still love Klopp and can't think of any other manager I'd rather have. He's had to come out with weird comments because they club's not done anything to help him and he's having to make excuses for them. Which again shows his personality. Loved Rafa but hated him moaning about his employers, same as he's doing now.
Same here mate. At no point do I want Klopp fired as I don't think it will make an iota of difference unless we change the way we do things. We just dont have the necessary footballing infrastructure to support our managers. The job is too much. I dont want to repeat the points I made in previous posts here.
http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/blind-faith.101936/page-4#post-1570574
http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/meet-the-new-boss.97734/page-3#post-1543952
http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/the-push.97628/page-3#post-1543510
Spurs are holding talks with Ajax over a possible move for Davinson Sanchez, figure being quoted is under £30m. Is he any good?
If I find the time and energy I'll explain it, but I've got neither right now.
In summary though, it's not a problem of our defensive set-up at set-pieces (which is a mix of first-line zonal, and second line man-marking). The problem lies with the reactions to where the ball comes in, and the movement of the opposition. Pretty simplistic - but we either don't have players astute enough to respond to situations as they happen, or we haven't been able to coach it. Both are fucking horrific.
I'd blame the coaching. People are quick to absolve Klopp's poor defensive record with counter-claims that "we play open, expansive football, with high full-backs that are always going to leave centre backs exposed, and this gameplan allows us to create and score at will etc etc..." BUT, he has shown in 2-odd years that he doesn't even know how to address the most basic fundamentals of set-piece defending too, so the argument that what we lose on the swings, we gain on the roundabouts is nonsense.
In Klopp's time with us, we've ...
Bought mediocre (or no) defensive players.
Conceded consistently from open play.
Continuously made individual errors - Karius, Lovren, Moreno, Mignolet, Klavan, etc.
Never once managed set-pieces well, or implemented a system (zonal, semi-zonal, space, or man-marking) that's worked.
Managed a lead
Or been able to close out games.
He's an A-grade Coach, with a C-Grade defensive management ability.
The evidence weighs against his ability to fix this.
Wet fart... ouch.
Big Sam:
https://talksport.com/football/sam-...-can-be-man-solve-liverpools-defensive-issues
[article]"So they're not going to give Mama Sakho a chance to resurrect his career at Liverpool then, no? No?," Allardyce said on talkSPORT during a discussion centred around the glaring need for Klopp to sign a new centre-back before next week's transfer deadline.
"He was fabulous for me honestly, he was outstanding. One of the reasons we stayed up at Palace was Mama's defensive qualities in the time he spent with us. He turned around what was a very leaky defence.
"They [Sakho and Klopp] fell out I think a long time ago. When he arrived with us, he'd been with the Under-23s [for] the entire season. With great credit to him, [he] comes straight into the side and started from day one performing at the highest level. He was very good."[/article]
He would be like a new signing, no?
https://talksport.com/football/sam-...-can-be-man-solve-liverpools-defensive-issues
[article]"So they're not going to give Mama Sakho a chance to resurrect his career at Liverpool then, no? No?," Allardyce said on talkSPORT during a discussion centred around the glaring need for Klopp to sign a new centre-back before next week's transfer deadline.
"He was fabulous for me honestly, he was outstanding. One of the reasons we stayed up at Palace was Mama's defensive qualities in the time he spent with us. He turned around what was a very leaky defence.
"They [Sakho and Klopp] fell out I think a long time ago. When he arrived with us, he'd been with the Under-23s [for] the entire season. With great credit to him, [he] comes straight into the side and started from day one performing at the highest level. He was very good."[/article]
He would be like a new signing, no?
I don't rate him. He has his qualities, but he has that "accident waiting to happen" in him. Just like Lovren and Moreno.
And he finds himself on his ass far too often.
We need someone more consistent and more composed.
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I fondly remember the Agger v Sakho discussion...
Still prefer sakho, even with his unprofessionalism
pffft....
x 2
Sakho is so much better than Lovren.
spills coffee
Well, I knew I made a lot of you dislike Agger, but this is just a new level of crazy..
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We've been through this discussion many times before. Sakho, on the positive side is:
- strong and athletic
- mostly a very good passer
- has a mentality of a fighter
- is quite a nice bloke off the field by all accounts
- prone to lapses in concentration and general clumsiness
- prone to frequent muscular injuries, like Sturridge, and always takes longer than expected to recover and then needs a few games to find his best form. And when he's not in best form, that general clumsiness means he is a fucking liability.
- plays too much with emotion, tries to do everything by himself and is thus not very coachable – I suspect that's the biggest reason Klopp dislikes him. [Klopp's defensive system relies heavily on holding a high line and the offside trap, so he needs defenders who are always aware of their position, stay on their feet and are ready to step up as a unit. Sakho, in contrast, has the unfortunate tendency to drop deep under pressure, a trait that was perfectly analyzed by Carra in the wake of that infamous 3:3 CP game. That's not a problem in a team that usually defends deep, like Allardyce's CP, but a big problem when playing for the likes of Liverpool]
- In spite of his generally good athletic ability, not fast and not a great header of the ball, so he can't be classed as an utterly physically dominant type who can be forgiven for a few tactical faults.
- finally, all kinds of unprofessional behavior, especially when not playing regularly – before the spat with Klopp, he had to apologize to Rodgers and there were problems at PSG plus the whole "doping" thing, for which he is at least partly responsible. So that kind of kills the idea of him being a 3rd or 4th choice at a top club – he needs to be a leader or he's a problem.
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It depends if you are asking about the injury riddled finished Agger that he replaced or the splendid defender that was Agger in his prime
Hard to say. Agger in his best form was quite good, but then so is/was Sakho at times – the question is how often they reached their best form. In his last years at LFC Agger lost too much mobility and was also besieged by frequent injuries – so at that point it was a toss-up. Overall, Agree had a better LFC career than Sakho, of course, although he didn't quite fulfill the lofty expectations.
Agger is about 50 now. But I'd still prefer him over Sakho.
Fair enough and it's all very hypothetical anyways and as Agger is long gone from a footballing perspective, who really cares whether he was better than Sakho or not.. when I think about, I for one don't.
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