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Darwin Nunez

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Nunez’s transfer fee is £65m plus £22m add-ons (reportedly easily achievable). If we assume the agent’s fee is 20% (£13m), the total cost would be a cool £100m. A weekly £140k salary over the 6-year contract means a total cost of £44m, giving £144m total commitment.

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This highlights that there are many things to be considered when looking at the cost of a transfer. For example, Haaland’s transfer fee is much lower than Nunez’s (especially after add-ons), but the total commitment is far higher once we include agent fees and salary.

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If it’s true that the agents got 26m out of a 52m transfer, it sickens me. Hope they implement that agent fee limit pronto.
 
Actually I misphrased it. I do understand that it’s on top of the transfer fee.
It’s just that I find it ludicrous that people employed by a player can bill a club for what amounts to 50% of a 52 million pound transfer fee.
We talk about third party ownership of players having been banned years ago, but this to me is exactly what it is.
Players employ them, so players should be the only ones paying them. If they feel these vultures take too much money, and they would, sack them and just have a lawyer represent them and pay them per hour. Much cheaper. I think Roy Keane used to do that if memory serves.
 
Yes, he did. A friend of mine was involved in some of those negotiations early in Keane's career. Said he came across as thick as two short planks.
 
Actually I misphrased it. I do understand that it’s on top of the transfer fee.
It’s just that I find it ludicrous that people employed by a player can bill a club for what amounts to 50% of a 52 million pound transfer fee.
We talk about third party ownership of players having been banned years ago, but this to me is exactly what it is.
Players employ them, so players should be the only ones paying them. If they feel these vultures take too much money, and they would, sack them and just have a lawyer represent them and pay them per hour. Much cheaper. I think Roy Keane used to do that if memory serves.

Yeah if I was a top level player and the agents fees and commissions added up to 2 years worth of my salary I'd be firing him on the spot
 
I wonder if anyone has ever done a proper analysis of just why footballers let agents take so much of their money. There must be some reason why they get paid so much for what's essentially a bit of legal knowledge and some negotiating skills.

A big element is probably misplaced loyalty after they get their hooks in them as kids and basically do every little thing for them.

As well as just general naivety/stupidity.
 
Stupidity. If a club is stupid enough to pay £20 million in agent fees surely the player must think “why am I not getting that dough? I’m the one doing all the work to make a club think it’s worth it”
 
Stupidity. If a club is stupid enough to pay £20 million in agent fees surely the player must think “why am I not getting that dough? I’m the one doing all the work to make a club think it’s worth it”

Yep. I'm fairly sure it's the player paying most of that cash, really. Clubs will just pay whatever they can afford, it's that competitive it's not like they'd save the money if the agents weren't involved.
 
KdB doesn't have an agent. Employed some stats guy to prove he was one of the best players on earth and that equalled a deal worth X. He got X.

This is the correct approach

I can understand no marks like Pogba engaging an agent to find them an employer, but why do KDB and Mbappe need an agent for? Everyone knows who they are. State how many millions you want and someone will pay it.
 
This is the correct approach

I can understand no marks like Pogba engaging an agent to find them an employer, but why do KDB and Mbappe need an agent for? Everyone knows who they are. State how many millions you want and someone will pay it.

Yeah, Pogba's agent was worth every single penny. He managed to get Pogba superstar salaries despite being such an average footballer.
 
It get it when a player is moving or looking to move clubs.

If you're a top 10 player in the world and just renewing, yeah, whatever your agent gets at that point is probably just to keep the relationship sweet.
 
I wonder if anyone has ever done a proper analysis of just why footballers let agents take so much of their money. There must be some reason why they get paid so much for what's essentially a bit of legal knowledge and some negotiating skills.

A big element is probably misplaced loyalty after they get their hooks in them as kids and basically do every little thing for them.

As well as just general naivety/stupidity.
The agents pay for all the stuff that the clubs won't pay for. Girl threatens to go to the papers with a kiss and tell - agent pays her off. Player wants a big party and "needs" some charlie - agent pays for it. Player needs to pay off gangsters threatening to break his legs - agent pays for it.
And a lot of times the agents will be bunging cash to the players mates / family as well, particularly with younger players where the cash demands are almost always from the families, not the player himself.
Players don't pay for much themselves if they can help it.
More legitimately, the agents are the ones who organise the moves when the player wants out. So we have reports of Mane having agreed terms with Bayern, but they aren't allowed to speak to him unless we consent, so obviously that's been agreed with his agent. We messed up on van Dijk because we spoke to him directly. Speaking to is agent would have been fine.
There are a few who don't have agents (or who don't have that kind of agent) and they're the ones who are capable of keeping their noses clean. The rest of them need someone to clean up their shit.
And fundamentally, if the club's cover the tax on the player's share of the fee, as well as the fee itself (which is what normally happens) then the player doesn't care what the agent is being paid. The bright sparks like de Bruyne who realise they can get a bit more in wages if the club isn't paying the agent as well are few and far between.
 
The agents pay for all the stuff that the clubs won't pay for. Girl threatens to go to the papers with a kiss and tell - agent pays her off. Player wants a big party and "needs" some charlie - agent pays for it. Player needs to pay off gangsters threatening to break his legs - agent pays for it.
And a lot of times the agents will be bunging cash to the players mates / family as well, particularly with younger players where the cash demands are almost always from the families, not the player himself.
Players don't pay for much themselves if they can help it.
More legitimately, the agents are the ones who organise the moves when the player wants out. So we have reports of Mane having agreed terms with Bayern, but they aren't allowed to speak to him unless we consent, so obviously that's been agreed with his agent. We messed up on van Dijk because we spoke to him directly. Speaking to is agent would have been fine.
There are a few who don't have agents (or who don't have that kind of agent) and they're the ones who are capable of keeping their noses clean. The rest of them need someone to clean up their shit.
And fundamentally, if the club's cover the tax on the player's share of the fee, as well as the fee itself (which is what normally happens) then the player doesn't care what the agent is being paid. The bright sparks like de Bruyne who realise they can get a bit more in wages if the club isn't paying the agent as well are few and far between.

Yes, tbf I can't imagine most players really having much of a grasp of economics lol.

So it's effectively them getting close to them by doing all their dirty work.
 
I wonder if anyone has ever done a proper analysis of just why footballers let agents take so much of their money. There must be some reason why they get paid so much for what's essentially a bit of legal knowledge and some negotiating skills.

A big element is probably misplaced loyalty after they get their hooks in them as kids and basically do every little thing for them.

As well as just general naivety/stupidity.

I know a dude who is an agent for lower league players. They literally don't know how to change a lightbulb and all they want to know is where the nearest lapdance place is. It's like being a dad of mentally challenged teenagers. I think if one of them miraculously gets scouted by a top club then they'd automatically turn to him because they don't know how to piss in a straight line.
 
The agents pay for all the stuff that the clubs won't pay for. Girl threatens to go to the papers with a kiss and tell - agent pays her off. Player wants a big party and "needs" some charlie - agent pays for it. Player needs to pay off gangsters threatening to break his legs - agent pays for it.
And a lot of times the agents will be bunging cash to the players mates / family as well, particularly with younger players where the cash demands are almost always from the families, not the player himself.
Players don't pay for much themselves if they can help it.
More legitimately, the agents are the ones who organise the moves when the player wants out. So we have reports of Mane having agreed terms with Bayern, but they aren't allowed to speak to him unless we consent, so obviously that's been agreed with his agent. We messed up on van Dijk because we spoke to him directly. Speaking to is agent would have been fine.
There are a few who don't have agents (or who don't have that kind of agent) and they're the ones who are capable of keeping their noses clean. The rest of them need someone to clean up their shit.
And fundamentally, if the club's cover the tax on the player's share of the fee, as well as the fee itself (which is what normally happens) then the player doesn't care what the agent is being paid. The bright sparks like de Bruyne who realise they can get a bit more in wages if the club isn't paying the agent as well are few and far between.

Premiership Psycho by CM Taylor is a great read. I think you'd like it.
 
I know a dude who is an agent for lower league players. They literally don't know how to change a lightbulb and all they want to know is where the nearest lapdance place is. It's like being a dad of mentally challenged teenagers. I think if one of them miraculously gets scouted by a top club then they'd automatically turn to him because they don't know how to piss in a straight line.

Ffs and this is where our money goes.

And I actually like most of our players. The media training works.

I used to think the salaries weren't so bad because they at least you'd rather the players got the money than the owners. Now I think I'd rather John Henry got another yacht.
 
Another minor but important point is that even lower league players get a statutory amount of money when they move clubs, as laid out by the PFA. It's only a few grand but it's so the players can get a new TV and a few bottles of voddy every June. Agents can get these half shit footballers moved once a year and get them this few grand, while the manager gets a brown paper bag in the other direction. They end up really loyal to each other
 
Just look into the axis of Barnsley / Blackpool and Tranmere. Journalists going on about how coincidental the transfers are. Lol
 
I know a dude who is an agent for lower league players. They literally don't know how to change a lightbulb and all they want to know is where the nearest lapdance place is. It's like being a dad of mentally challenged teenagers. I think if one of them miraculously gets scouted by a top club then they'd automatically turn to him because they don't know how to piss in a straight line.
A mate of mine was helping out with an issue with a young footballer a few years back. The kid had totally dropped off in performance levels and developed a shit attitude, When they spoke to him about it he wasn't worried because he thought he could just jack in footy and go and work at the factory with his mates from school. And he genuinely thought he'd get the same money he was getting as a promising pro footballer. He didn't even have the first clue what his mates were earning. Some of these kids are totally divorced from reality.
 
Premiership Psycho by CM Taylor is a great read. I think you'd like it.
I Am the Secret Football Agent is quite the eye-opener. It reads like it's actually been written by the bloke's mate as some of the technical details don't quite ring true (and you sense he wouldn't want to come across as quite as much of a nobhead as he does), but most of it is entirely plausible and it helped me join the dots on some of the requests we used to get from agents that we didn't quite understand.
 
A mate of mine was helping out with an issue with a young footballer a few years back. The kid had totally dropped off in performance levels and developed a shit attitude, When they spoke to him about it he wasn't worried because he thought he could just jack in footy and go and work at the factory with his mates from school. And he genuinely thought he'd get the same money he was getting as a promising pro footballer. He didn't even have the first clue what his mates were earning. Some of these kids are totally divorced from reality.

Hahahahaha oh for fucks sake that's insane. Bertie Wooster had a stronger grasp on reality than these idiots.
 
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