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Dalglish Opposes Hodgson as Liverpool Manager

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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124677#msg1124677 date=1277201237]
Pellegrini is a top manager, he's just managed at the biggest club in Spain, got their record points total in the league and is contractually free


managing Fulham and Blackburn is a world away from that

[/quote]

Inter Milan. Twice.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124650#msg1124650 date=1277199501]
Which "top manager" to come along?

Who do we have in mind?

The pro-Dalglish crew are very vague with their ideas
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Pellegrini for a start.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40695.msg1124680#msg1124680 date=1277201666]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124650#msg1124650 date=1277199501]
Which "top manager" to come along?

Who do we have in mind?

The pro-Dalglish crew are very vague with their ideas
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Pellegrini for a start.
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He'd be hired straight away, not after some caretaker period of Dalglish.

He'll be snapped up before long.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124677#msg1124677 date=1277201237]
Pellegrini is a top manager, he's just managed at the biggest club in Spain, got their record points total in the league and is contractually free


managing Fulham and Blackburn is a world away from that

[/quote]

Pellegrini actually got a team filled with divas and primadonnas to function by his ideas. Not a bad thing.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124679#msg1124679 date=1277201499]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124677#msg1124677 date=1277201237]
Pellegrini is a top manager, he's just managed at the biggest club in Spain, got their record points total in the league and is contractually free


managing Fulham and Blackburn is a world away from that

[/quote]

Inter Milan. Twice.
[/quote]

A long time ago, he was so good when the job came up again he wasn't even considered and our ex-manager got it instantly .

No other top club would consider Hodgson if there was a vacancy but here we are, seriously considering him with the appointment to be made over the head of Dalglish who was tasked to make a recommendation
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124679#msg1124679 date=1277201499]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124677#msg1124677 date=1277201237]
Pellegrini is a top manager, he's just managed at the biggest club in Spain, got their record points total in the league and is contractually free


managing Fulham and Blackburn is a world away from that

[/quote]

Inter Milan. Twice.
[/quote]

Fuck it. He was coach (we dont have managers here in Norway) at Viking Stavanger a few years back.... To even mentioning him with the Liverpool job seemsurrealistic. It is like mentioning Roy Evans for Real Madrid these days... It just doesnt sound right.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124689#msg1124689 date=1277202712]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124679#msg1124679 date=1277201499]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124677#msg1124677 date=1277201237]
Pellegrini is a top manager, he's just managed at the biggest club in Spain, got their record points total in the league and is contractually free


managing Fulham and Blackburn is a world away from that

[/quote]

Inter Milan. Twice.
[/quote]

A long time ago, he was so good when the job came up again he wasn't even considered and our ex-manager got it instantly .

No other top club would consider Hodgson if there was a vacancy but here we are, seriously considering him with the appointment to be made over the head of Dalglish who was tasked to make a recommendation




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A long time ago? What's that got to do with it?

Your point was that managing big clubs carry certain expectations which not all managers have experienced. This is true. I'm pointing out he has experienced the mentality of a big club. Even if Inter were not as strong back then, they were still a big side, with a big stadium and with a lot of history.
 
What's he won in England. Fuck all

How many away wins last year. 1

How many away losses. 11


Fuck off Hodgson, you're not good enough.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=40695.msg1124694#msg1124694 date=1277203418]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124679#msg1124679 date=1277201499]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40695.msg1124677#msg1124677 date=1277201237]
Pellegrini is a top manager, he's just managed at the biggest club in Spain, got their record points total in the league and is contractually free


managing Fulham and Blackburn is a world away from that

[/quote]

Inter Milan. Twice.
[/quote]

Fuck it. He was coach (we dont have managers here in Norway) at Viking Stavanger a few years back.... To even mentioning him with the Liverpool job seemsurrealistic. It is like mentioning Roy Evans for Real Madrid these days... It just doesnt sound right.
[/quote]

Yeah, he's had an odd career.

But what it "sounds like" doesn't really come into it. He was Manager of the Year last season, after two seasons of over-performance from a previously relegation threatened Fulham. He deserves to be among the contenders.
 
Ah, away wins.

The only league table which matters. I sure hope we top that next year.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124704#msg1124704 date=1277204050]
Ah, away wins.

The only league table which matters. I sure hope we top that next year.
[/quote]

What do you seriously expect to achieve with Hodgson? Do you seriously think our top players would be inspired seeing him rolled in and unveiled?
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40695.msg1124704#msg1124704 date=1277204050]
Ah, away wins.

The only league table which matters. I sure hope we top that next year.
[/quote]

Well 11 losses will not top you any table... Just ask Rafa!
 
I tend to agree with Squiggles on a lot of things, but I don't get this Hodgson fan calu bit. Is he related to you?

I get that he's managed some top clubs, but he's ended up at *Fulham*, hardly managing at the top level now, is he?
 
I'm clearly one of the few who agrees with Squiggles that Hodgson is a decent manager.

But I have to say I'm really put off by the idea that he'd rather manage England. If we wanted him before, we should have just hired him instead of leaning back in our chairs saying 'Ah, there's no rush', and then suddenly panicking when it looks like the England job might be available. We've fucked it up AGAIN.

Right now, given the candidates available/mentioned, I'd have Capello at the top of the list.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40695.msg1124711#msg1124711 date=1277204622]
I tend to agree with Squiggles on a lot of things, but I don't get this Hodgson fan calu bit. Is he related to you?

I get that he's managed some top clubs, but he's ended up at *Fulham*, hardly managing at the top level now, is he?
[/quote]

So what, Anita? Harry Redknapp was at *Portsmouth* when Spurs hired him. Spurs were in the relegation zone at the time; now they're in the Champions League. Given that the new manager's main aim is to stabilise us and get us back in the top 4, I don't see how being manager of over-achieving Fulham is necessarily a disqualification for the job.
 
Look, Hodgson is currently flavour of the month, on the basis of the dubious honour of getting a mediocre team to a final and then failing.

In normal times he wouldn't get a look in.

He's only mentioned as the club have contrived to ditch a contracted Manager (who had recently been given an improved contract) without having a replacement in mind and at a time when attention is focused on the World Cup.

What I'm trying to say is that the board have been reacting rather than planning. Appointing Hodgson would simply be a reaction. Does anyone seriously think the board were planning to headhunt Hodgson?

As I said before LFC is a shambles and the situation unfolding is what you get when you are driven by the media. We have no idea where this will go.
 
They sacked Benitez because we'd had a disastrous season and they didn't believe that he could turn it round. Most clubs would have done the same.

You have to choose a manager from those available at the time. There's nothing unusual about that situation.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40695.msg1124716#msg1124716 date=1277204760]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40695.msg1124711#msg1124711 date=1277204622]
I tend to agree with Squiggles on a lot of things, but I don't get this Hodgson fan calu bit. Is he related to you?

I get that he's managed some top clubs, but he's ended up at *Fulham*, hardly managing at the top level now, is he?
[/quote]

So what, Anita? Harry Redknapp was at *Portsmouth* when Spurs hired him. Spurs were in the relegation zone at the time; now they're in the Champions League. Given that the new manager's main aim is to stabilise us and get us back in the top 4, I don't see how being manager of overachieving Fulham is necessarily a disqualification for the job.


[/quote]

It isn't necessarily. But let's be clear, he's managing a mid table side with pretty low targets, so it's not too difficult to overachieve. I want a manager that's able to compete at the top level. People make the argument that Kenny hasn't managed at the top level for a long time, I think the same would have to be made for Hogson.

I really have my doubts about him being a manager that could convince our stars to stay and furthermore someone who can attract others to the club. And if we've got significant personnel threatening to walk out on the club if he's appointed, it already tells me it's the wrong appointment.
 
Strictly from the boards point of view appointing Dalglish is a bad move, one of the problems they had with Rafa was his impatient foot stamping regarding finances and the like, they would have sacked him earlier and tried to but felt unable to due his strong early support but took the first oportunity when that waned.

Their could never be any waning of support for Dalglish, at least not to the same degree/vitriol.

IF, as could be surmised, the financial pressures are great and we do need to sell and sell big then Dalglish is not the kind of fella who would just accept the surrendering of key players without there suitable replacement, in short a puppet is wanted so that the board have a nice easy life post Rafa.

That aint Dalglish, imagine the protests at the club if Dalglish came out and started calling a spade a spade in the press regarding the board.... They can't appoint him he is too powerful.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40695.msg1124716#msg1124716 date=1277204760]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40695.msg1124711#msg1124711 date=1277204622]
I tend to agree with Squiggles on a lot of things, but I don't get this Hodgson fan calu bit. Is he related to you?

I get that he's managed some top clubs, but he's ended up at *Fulham*, hardly managing at the top level now, is he?
[/quote]

So what, Anita? Harry Redknapp was at *Portsmouth* when Spurs hired him. Spurs were in the relegation zone at the time; now they're in the Champions League. Given that the new manager's main aim is to stabilise us and get us back in the top 4, I don't see how being manager of over-achieving Fulham is necessarily a disqualification for the job.


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There's no way a Hudgson appointment is going to keep the big names. There's no way a Hodgson appointment will attract star power. It's a strategic move by the asset strippers. You'd never see Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal appointing such a borderline manager. They wouldn't take the risk. If we appoint someone like this, we might as well call ourselves Newcastle United and charge our kit to stripes. It's an UTTER disgrace, that we're being asked to accept an also-ran as a manager. We can and must do better.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40695.msg1124722#msg1124722 date=1277205224]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40695.msg1124716#msg1124716 date=1277204760]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40695.msg1124711#msg1124711 date=1277204622]
I tend to agree with Squiggles on a lot of things, but I don't get this Hodgson fan calu bit. Is he related to you?

I get that he's managed some top clubs, but he's ended up at *Fulham*, hardly managing at the top level now, is he?
[/quote]

So what, Anita? Harry Redknapp was at *Portsmouth* when Spurs hired him. Spurs were in the relegation zone at the time; now they're in the Champions League. Given that the new manager's main aim is to stabilise us and get us back in the top 4, I don't see how being manager of overachieving Fulham is necessarily a disqualification for the job.


[/quote]

It isn't necessarily. But let's be clear, he's managing a mid table side with pretty low targets, so it's not too difficult to overachieve. I want a manager that's able to compete at the top level. People make the argument that Kenny hasn't managed at the top level for a long time, I think the same would have to be made for Hogson.

I really have my doubts about him being a manager that could convince our stars to stay and furthermore someone who can attract others to the club. And if we've got significant personnel threatening to walk out on the club if he's appointed, it already tells me it's the wrong appointment.


[/quote]

Which 'significant personnel' have threatened to leave if he's appointed?

EDIT: Oh, you mean Kenny?
 
Are there really lots of people on this forum who believe the owners are deliberately targeting a pliant manager so they can asset-strip the club?

It's like the Flat Earth Society.
 
Pellegrini in and Dalglish to stay is, as a way forward from here, one with some light at the end of the tunnel; I could hope that they'd strike up a good working relationship, hopefully appreciate some similarities in what they both like about the game and get the right youth players in etc... I would also be hopeful that Pellegrini could get our actually reasonable (on paper) squad playing decent passing football and rebuilding morale.

Hodgson in and Dalglish gone will be nothing short of a fucking horrible disaster, no better football than Benitez, but without the "prestige" - and that could easily culminate in all our best players leaving, little money returning for new players and us basically heading to mid table at best.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40695.msg1124741#msg1124741 date=1277207500]
Are there really lots of people on this forum who believe the owners are deliberately targeting a pliant manager so they can asset-strip the club?

It's like the Flat Earth Society.

[/quote]

Well no... because the flat earth society would believe in the apparently evident, and regard the idea that the world is round as superstitious hocus pocus, that could only seem true if you were some sort of lunatic.

Which is pretty similar to the way you regard the idea that asset strippers are calling the shots at our club.
 
The point is Hodgson is a no mark who's achieved fuck all in decades of management. We will sink like a stone and have our best players wanting to leave if he's appointed.

There's at least 3 better options than him, all discussed tirelessly on this board.
 
I'm not even a strong advocate of the man. I accept that I would like a Mourinho, Capello or Van Gaal ahead of him. That's a given.

But out of the realistic candidates he's one of my choices, along with Pellegrinni.

People put crazy arguments against Hodgson because he's not a 'name'. I'm simply countering them with fact.

Who has thrown their hat into the ring? We're not spoilt for choice. And appointing the Manager of the Year from 2010 doesn't seem as absurd to me as some people make it sound.
 
"Flavour of the month"

2 seasons of strong over performance, in our league.

"Shit away record"

Countered by a superb, record breaking home record

"Everyone will leave!!!!"

I've been more impressed by Hodgson's recent achievements than anything Dalglish has done in the last ten years. It's not hard to put that point across to the players. As far as I know, no player has come out and said he'd welcome a Dalglish appointment. This is hear say which has turned into SCM fact. We know fuck all about anything.
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40695.msg1124744#msg1124744 date=1277207755]
Pellegrini in and Dalglish to stay is, as a way forward from here, one with some light at the end of the tunnel; I could hope that they'd strike up a good working relationship, hopefully appreciate some similarities in what they both like about the game and get the right youth players in etc... I would also be hopeful that Pellegrini could get our actually reasonable (on paper) squad playing decent passing football and rebuilding morale.

Hodgson in and Dalglish gone will be nothing short of a fucking horrible disaster, no better football than Benitez, but without the "prestige" - and that could easily culminate in all our best players leaving, little money returning for new players and us basically heading to mid table at best.
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Spot on.
 
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