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Dalglish needs a few home truths… not more flattery

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2080811/Patrick-Collins-Kenny-Dalglish-needs-home-truths-flattery.html

By PATRICK COLLINS
Last updated at 9:54 AM on 1st January 2012


The match was over, the points were secure and Kenny Dalglish was screwing his face into a smile. The inquisitor from Sky TV assessed the manager’s mood and served him up a slow full toss.
‘Did Andy Carroll do everything but score tonight?’ he inquired. Dalglish grunted a few unrevealing platitudes, and the deferential tone was set.
Now, Dalglish is not the only Premier League manager who prefers to deal with docile flattery. In truth, most of them favour the kind of questions which are accompanied by a tug of the forelock.

But during a year which has seen Liverpool make qualified progress while spending money on an unprecedented scale, Dalglish has behaved with a prickly defensiveness which smacks of paranoia.
The Carroll issue is an obvious case in point. The world and his brother know that £35million was an outrageous amount to invest in a player whose ability was unproven and whose attitude was questionable.


They know that it was spent because the deal had to be done before the transfer deadline and Liverpool’s pockets were bulging with the £50m they received for the sale of Fernando Torres.

Above all, they know that Carroll has done little or nothing to justify that fee in the course of an unproductive year: £35m for a striker who does everything but score?

Naturally, we should expect the manager to defend his man but Dalglish has done so with thin-skinned surliness.

Carroll had been at Anfield for a matter of weeks when Dalglish complained about ‘negative’ questions. From there on, almost every reference to the player has been greeted with the same defensive hostility. It was as if Dalglish suspected that his own judgment was being questioned.

And that would never do. And yet there are questions to be asked about his decision to spend a total of some £50m on Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing. Do they really represent value for money, are they really men capable of lifting the side to a new level?

It would help if Dalglish did not treat simple discussion as rank impertinence, if he did not regard mild dissent as personal affront.

Which brings us, of course, to Luis Suarez. The Liverpool striker was charged with making racially offensive comments. The case was heard at length by an independent commission, chaired by a QC.

The player was found guilty and received an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine. An initial reading of the commission’s findings, published on Saturday night, suggests a scrupulously thorough and balanced process with an apparently appropriate sanction.

Yet through all this, Liverpool FC’s stance has been that of the affronted victim. Long before they saw the detailed findings, they called the decision ‘extraordinary’ and ‘incredible’.

They impugned the character of Patrice Evra. They allowed players and manager to parade in ‘supportive’ T-shirts, a piece of imbecilic posturing.

Dalglish himself plumbed the deepest depths when he tweeted: ‘Let’s not let him walk alone.’ It was a cheap and demeaning attempt to evoke the tradition of a great football club in the service of one who had been found guilty by the FA of a serious offence.

For Liverpool are certainly a great club; indeed, they are an institution created by remarkable men and sustained by extraordinary supporters.

In the past, and most particularly in the wake of the Hillsborough tragedy, Dalglish has shown an impeccable awareness of the dignity and stature of the institution.

All of which makes his current conduct more difficult to explain. His close friends — golfing partners, for the most part — speak of his warmth and ready wit. Yet publicly, the ready wit too often congeals into feeble wisecrack.

Thus, when asked about a poor tackle by a Newcastle player on Friday evening, he responded with: ‘I didn’t see it. If it was a bad one, I’m sure the FA will take appropriate action.’

Again, the snide smear when a little humility would have been in order. And it is all a great pity because the man has so much to offer. He was a wondrous player, one of the best our game has seen, and his managerial record is resoundingly impressive.

He could yet offer his game a singular example by studying the contents of the commission’s findings and accepting them without recourse to smart jibes or self-serving objections.

I hope that is his chosen course, and I hope that somebody of consequence at Liverpool advises him to take that course. For flattery is a dangerous diet; high time that Kenny Dalglish was told a home truth.
 
He can get fucked (the author)

Thus, when asked about a poor tackle by a Newcastle player on Friday evening, he responded with: ‘I didn’t see it. If it was a bad one, I’m sure the FA will take appropriate action.’

Again, the snide smear when a little humility would have been in order. And it is all a great pity because the man has so much to offer. He was a wondrous player, one of the best our game has seen, and his managerial record is resoundingly impressive.


This, after years of opposition players crowding the ref (particularly the Scum & Chesea), we get a fine for the same thing and warned about future conduct. Go fuck yourself. Snide? He hasn't got a patch on that old cunt up the East Lancs.
 
Kenny has played questions about Carroll with a totally straight bat, not with any kind of "thin-skinned surliness".

The FA itself has "impugned the character of Patrice Evra" in the past.

More than one tackle by Toon players that night would have been worthy of a criminal charge. Kenny responds to a question about one with the mildest of wisecracks and suddenly it's a "snide smear".

I doubt this cnut ever said the same about certain other managers we could all name.

Apart from that, he's spot on.
 
Like he said, if the FA have seen it then they will take action in due course. After all, they've set the precedent for it, so naturally, they won't have seen anything untoward from Newcastle.
 
Ha.

He's getting under the media's skin cos they get fuck all out of him except what he wants to give them.

If people are shooting at you it means you're doing something right.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48127.msg1454611#msg1454611 date=1325590709]
Ha.

He's getting under the media's skin cos they get fuck all out of him except what he wants to give them.

If people are shooting at you it means you're doing something right.
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That's pretty much it.
If Kenny though Carroll was good enough then he would have been starting him, but at least in public he should be seen to back him. That's the way it should be, and if some bitter Journo doesn't like it, well, then get to fuck.
 
The problem is that many hacks these days are so used to 'Arry and Co happily answering the most inane questions they're stunned when Kenny treats them with the disdain they deserve. I noticed Ian Herbert the other day went through the Indie archives to refer to when Kenny was described as 'rude' and 'irascible'. Well, yes, he often was back in his first stint as manager, but he's not now. He's relaxed and witty with his comments, but because he won't play the Sky game he's getting unpopular. It's their problem, not his.
 
The rudes, most irascible manager for the last 20 years has been Ferguson so for any of these prats to select Dalglish as the "enfant terrible" while ignoring the fact the Ferguson treats the media with disdain just proves how far up Fergie's arse the media are.

How come no one from the media has mentions Ferguson's walk-off during the CL interview when a reporter suggested United were struggling to qualify. He stormed off saying "We're not struggling to qualify"........wrong, arrogant, obnoxious.......and LAUDED by the media.
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=48127.msg1454692#msg1454692 date=1325597306]
The rudes, most irascible manager for the last 20 years has been Ferguson so for any of these prats to select Dalglish as the "enfant terrible" while ignoring the fact the Ferguson treats the media with disdain just proves how far up Fergie's arse the media are.

How come no one from the media has mentions Ferguson's walk-off during the CL interview when a reporter suggested United were struggling to qualify. He stormed off saying "We're not struggling to qualify"........wrong, arrogant, obnoxious.......and LAUDED by the media.
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What an arrogant cock. Ferguson that is Pesam, not you. 😉
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=48127.msg1454692#msg1454692 date=1325597306]
The rudest, most irascible manager for the last 20 years has been Ferguson so for any of these prats to select Dalglish as the "enfant terrible" while ignoring the fact the Ferguson treats the media with disdain just proves how far up Fergie's arse the media are.

How come no one from the media has mentions Ferguson's walk-off during the CL interview when a reporter suggested United were struggling to qualify. He stormed off saying "We're not struggling to qualify"........wrong, arrogant, obnoxious.......and LAUDED by the media.
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Oops, sorry I meant to "modify" my original post to change "rudes" to "rudest" but accidently quoted.


@Sunny 🙂 xx
 
I think you're bang on the money actually Pesam. Ferguson acts like a cock to the media and he's a hero to them. Dalglish takes the piss out of them and he's suddenly the anti-Christ. I'm made up - Kenny is doing exactly what he wants to do with them - winding them up.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48127.msg1454699#msg1454699 date=1325597912]
I think you're bang on the money actually Pesam. Ferguson acts like a cock to the media and he's a hero to them. Dalglish takes the piss out of them and he's suddenly the anti-Christ. I'm made up - Kenny is doing exactly what he wants to do with them - winding them up.
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Unfortunately after 20 years of great success Fergie is now an untouchable; the media, the FA, the LMA etc are all afraid of him.

I love challenging United fans to pick any 8 year phase of Fergie's reign and compare it to Bob Paisley's 8 years in charge at LFC..................Sir Bob is still the most succesful manager in the history of the English league.
 
Exactly. Go to youtube and search for Alex Ferguson interview and there are dozens of times he's been openly rude, shouted or stormed off. He's even bloody refused to speak to journalists he doesn't like!

Kenny is nothing like that. He doesn't tend to lose his temper, he just throws their silly questions back at them and its generally pretty good humoured.

Isn't this Collins the same guy who claimed that Hodgson was badly treated by the club and the fans?
 
Dalglish is wise to keep the press arms length , most of them have a laugh with him, he knows who to trust and who are knobs, just as we now do. Collins has always been a pompous prick
Regards
 
I think he had a go as well

Hodgson will be better off away from this Anfield filth
Roy Hodgson has been a football manager for 35 years.
He has managed three national teams and his club sides include Inter Milan, Fulham and now Liverpool.
His record is impressive because he is a widely respected and talented coach who knows what he is doing.

Under pressure: Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson watches the clash with Bolton at Anfield
When he took over at Anfield in July, he inherited a largely mediocre squad of players. Some had lost form, others lacked ambition and a few were simply stealing their salary. This remains Hodgson’s problem and he is being well paid to solve it.
Criticism is something he must endure but what he should not have to endure is the wave of incoherent filth currently swamping the Liverpool fan websites.
‘Just **** off, Roy! ... Like a dog hit by a car, the only thing to do is put it out of its misery ... I ******* hate you! ... I have never hated anyone as I am starting to hate this idiot now.’
It is as if, having chased the corporate chancers George Gillett and Tom Hicks out of town, they have acquired an appetite for persecution. The unspeakable anti-Hodgson ‘petition’ is further evidence of fatuous muscle-flexing.
We may dismiss the insults as the work of poisonous dullards but Hodgson is suffering this abuse on a daily basis. Ultimately, the chances are that Liverpool’s new owners will panic and the fools will have their victim.
‘He will never be a Liverpool manager,’ said one furious loon. ‘He will never get what it means.’
I fear that Roy Hodgson ‘gets’ it all too well. And I suspect he will be well off out of it.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1343303/Patrick-Collins-Kevin-Pietersen-resist-picking-old-scab.html#ixzz1iP6O7byb
 
Dalglish needs a few home truths… not more flattery

When the Daily Hitler is your Loudest critic then you know you are doing things right.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=48127.msg1454709#msg1454709 date=1325599517]
I think he had a go as well

Hodgson will be better off away from this Anfield filth
Roy Hodgson has been a football manager for 35 years.
He has managed three national teams and his club sides include Inter Milan, Fulham and now Liverpool.
His record is impressive because he is a widely respected and talented coach who knows what he is doing. Won nothing but is impressive for knowing what he is doing Ha!

Under pressure: Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson watches the clash with Bolton at Anfield
When he took over at Anfield in July, he inherited a largely mediocre squad of players. Some had lost form, others lacked ambition and a few were simply stealing their salary. This remains Hodgson’s problem and he is being well paid to solve it.
Criticism is something he must endure but what he should not have to endure is the wave of incoherent filth currently swamping the Liverpool fan websites.
‘Just **** off, Roy! ... Like a dog hit by a car, the only thing to do is put it out of its misery ... I ******* hate you! ... I have never hated anyone as I am starting to hate this idiot now.’
It is as if, having chased the corporate chancers George Gillett and Tom Hicks out of town, they have acquired an appetite for persecution. The unspeakable anti-Hodgson ‘petition’ is further evidence of fatuous muscle-flexing.
We may dismiss the insults as the work of poisonous dullards but Hodgson is suffering this abuse on a daily basis. Ultimately, the chances are that Liverpool’s new owners will panic and the fools will have their victim.
‘He will never be a Liverpool manager,’ said one furious loon. ‘He will never get what it means.’
I fear that Roy Hodgson ‘gets’ it all too well. And I suspect he will be well off out of it.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1343303/Patrick-Collins-Kevin-Pietersen-resist-picking-old-scab.html#ixzz1iP6O7byb
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like any LFC fan's gonna worry about Kenny's media utterances after the fucking curse of the head bangin budgie we had to suffer.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=48127.msg1454703#msg1454703 date=1325598364]
Exactly. Go to youtube and search for Alex Ferguson interview and there are dozens of times he's been openly rude, shouted or stormed off. He's even bloody refused to speak to journalists he doesn't like!

Kenny is nothing like that. He doesn't tend to lose his temper, he just throws their silly questions back at them and its generally pretty good humoured.

Isn't this Collins the same guy who claimed that Hodgson was badly treated by the club and the fans?
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To be absolutely fair, this prick and his semi-namesake (and even more pompous prat) Patrick Barclay are only two of a number who said the same thing. The same crew are now giving it large telling the club it shouldn't appeal. I hope those on here who agree with them realise what company they're keeping.
 
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