Coutinho's shooting
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It was overused against Burnley, but it was an extreme situation. Someone had to make something happen so that's not something I'll hold against him. If not was shooting we would be complaining no one played with any balls and didn't take responsibility.
He should of started keeping it lower and making the keeper work after missing the top right corner consistently.
He should of started keeping it lower and making the keeper work after missing the top right corner consistently.
He's a fucking mong
And squiggles, Coutinho shooting consistently poorly is not grabbing the game by the balls.
Lallana also shot from close and far, yet tested the keeper more. When Coutinho shoots I don't believe he'll score. Hell, I don't believe he'll even hit the target.
Coutinho is a player far more frustrating than Garcia ever was.
And squiggles, Coutinho shooting consistently poorly is not grabbing the game by the balls.
Lallana also shot from close and far, yet tested the keeper more. When Coutinho shoots I don't believe he'll score. Hell, I don't believe he'll even hit the target.
Coutinho is a player far more frustrating than Garcia ever was.
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You’d expect Sean Dyche to give the square root of f**k all, but Jurgen Klopp must have been wondering just how his side conspired to lose 2-0 against Burnley on Saturday. Using statistics as a basis for defining your opinion might be a dangerous game, but the away side at Turf Moor had 26 shots to Burnley’s three, 12 corners to one and 80.4% of possession. Since Opta’s data began in 2003, no team has seen more of the ball and lost a Premier League match.
After the match, Jurgen Klopp was in no mood to plead misfortune: “In England you use the word ‘clinical’ – in a lot of situations I saw we were clinical but even then we didn’t score. That’s how it is and we have to accept it. I saw crosses – really good crosses – when nobody was in the box. I saw shots when the whole box was full. Our timing and decision-making today was not really good. It might have been forced by the result and by the passion of the opponent, but it is how it is.”
In terms of the decision-making to which Klopp referred, there is no doubt about the identity of Liverpool’s biggest culprit. Not only did Philippe Coutinho have more shots than any of his teammates, he had as many or more than six Premier League teams this weekend.
There’s nothing wrong with recording a high number of shots, of course, but that largely depends on three things: 1) Accuracy, 2) conversion rate and 3) area from which shots are taken. The three factors are evidently interdependent, but by all three criteria, Coutinho often falls short.
All eight of Coutinho’s shots against Burnley were from outside the area, and only one was on target. Too often the Brazilian got into promising areas and had support from Daniel Sturridge or Roberto Firmino, but turned down their assistance in order to try his luck. This is becoming a broken record.
Since the beginning of 2014/15, only four Premier League players have taken more shots than Coutinho – Sergio Aguero, Harry Kane, Alexis Sanchez and Romelu Lukaku. Adjust this for the number of minutes played, and only Kane in that list appears ahead of the Brazilian. Now, let’s rank those five players by shots on target: Kane – 122, Aguero – 114, Lukaku – 90, Sanchez – 87, Coutinho – 64. Despite ranking fifth for shots taken, Coutinho ranks ninth for shots on target.
Coutinho’s issue is that his shots are taken from speculative areas, broadly speaking. While Kane, Aguero, Lukaku and Sanchez all took between 21% and 37% of their shots from outside the area, Coutinho was as high as 63.6%. Only three players have taken more than 100 shots from outside the area in the last two seasons: Yaya Toure (101), Christian Eriksen (137) and Coutinho (136). Eriksen’s one extra shot is the result of more than 1,200 more minutes on the pitch. In terms of shots per 90 minutes from distance over an extended time period, nobody in the Premier League rivals Coutinho.
The knock-on effect of this is predictable. Of the 42 players to have attempted 100 or more shots since the beginning of 2014/15, only three (Santi Cazorla, Craig Gardner and Jonjo Shelvey) have a worse conversion rate than Coutinho. If you hear Liverpool fans groaning when another shot is fired off target, you know why.
The frustrating element of this is that Coutinho clearly has the potential to limit this tendency, as his performance against Arsenal last Sunday shows. When you can pass and create chances as well as him, why would you fritter away opportunities by shooting?
Until he makes that the exception rather than the rule, the Brazilian’s decision-making will regularly harm Liverpool’s attack as much as his creativity and invention aids it. On his off days, Coutinho is the king of speculation. And you can’t build a story around speculation.
Daniel Storey
You’d expect Sean Dyche to give the square root of f**k all, but Jurgen Klopp must have been wondering just how his side conspired to lose 2-0 against Burnley on Saturday. Using statistics as a basis for defining your opinion might be a dangerous game, but the away side at Turf Moor had 26 shots to Burnley’s three, 12 corners to one and 80.4% of possession. Since Opta’s data began in 2003, no team has seen more of the ball and lost a Premier League match.
After the match, Jurgen Klopp was in no mood to plead misfortune: “In England you use the word ‘clinical’ – in a lot of situations I saw we were clinical but even then we didn’t score. That’s how it is and we have to accept it. I saw crosses – really good crosses – when nobody was in the box. I saw shots when the whole box was full. Our timing and decision-making today was not really good. It might have been forced by the result and by the passion of the opponent, but it is how it is.”
In terms of the decision-making to which Klopp referred, there is no doubt about the identity of Liverpool’s biggest culprit. Not only did Philippe Coutinho have more shots than any of his teammates, he had as many or more than six Premier League teams this weekend.
There’s nothing wrong with recording a high number of shots, of course, but that largely depends on three things: 1) Accuracy, 2) conversion rate and 3) area from which shots are taken. The three factors are evidently interdependent, but by all three criteria, Coutinho often falls short.
All eight of Coutinho’s shots against Burnley were from outside the area, and only one was on target. Too often the Brazilian got into promising areas and had support from Daniel Sturridge or Roberto Firmino, but turned down their assistance in order to try his luck. This is becoming a broken record.
Since the beginning of 2014/15, only four Premier League players have taken more shots than Coutinho – Sergio Aguero, Harry Kane, Alexis Sanchez and Romelu Lukaku. Adjust this for the number of minutes played, and only Kane in that list appears ahead of the Brazilian. Now, let’s rank those five players by shots on target: Kane – 122, Aguero – 114, Lukaku – 90, Sanchez – 87, Coutinho – 64. Despite ranking fifth for shots taken, Coutinho ranks ninth for shots on target.
Coutinho’s issue is that his shots are taken from speculative areas, broadly speaking. While Kane, Aguero, Lukaku and Sanchez all took between 21% and 37% of their shots from outside the area, Coutinho was as high as 63.6%. Only three players have taken more than 100 shots from outside the area in the last two seasons: Yaya Toure (101), Christian Eriksen (137) and Coutinho (136). Eriksen’s one extra shot is the result of more than 1,200 more minutes on the pitch. In terms of shots per 90 minutes from distance over an extended time period, nobody in the Premier League rivals Coutinho.
The knock-on effect of this is predictable. Of the 42 players to have attempted 100 or more shots since the beginning of 2014/15, only three (Santi Cazorla, Craig Gardner and Jonjo Shelvey) have a worse conversion rate than Coutinho. If you hear Liverpool fans groaning when another shot is fired off target, you know why.
The frustrating element of this is that Coutinho clearly has the potential to limit this tendency, as his performance against Arsenal last Sunday shows. When you can pass and create chances as well as him, why would you fritter away opportunities by shooting?
Until he makes that the exception rather than the rule, the Brazilian’s decision-making will regularly harm Liverpool’s attack as much as his creativity and invention aids it. On his off days, Coutinho is the king of speculation. And you can’t build a story around speculation.
Daniel Storey
He was clearly taking some poor shots but often there weren't any good options on either. It's frustrating but the responsibility for it is shared.
He was frustrating on Saturday and blows hot and cold.
But his goalscoring is improving by the season; 3, 5, 8, 12.
Yes, he needs to be more clinical and really needs to learn from that performance this weekend. But he's still a great player with the potential to get even better.
But less frustrating than Lallana, right?
Singling out Coutinho's shooting amongst that shitfest of a performance is like moaning about the weather during WW2. Yes, it should have been better and less frequent, but he does get a pass from me in the context of that match.
The tactics were fucked, the set up was a mess, the defence was a shambles, Henderson was playing like a sunday league player, Firmino barely touched the ball, Milner was out of position. Wijnaldum wasn't offering anything.
We were never going to cut them open with slick passing. We also were not going to get the ball wide and score from a cross. We lacked the form and personal for both approaches. We could have played for a week and not scored.
It was going to take someone shooting from 20 yards to break the deadlock or a defensive mistake on their part.
Yes the teams performance was diabolical and I could moan about lots of things. BUT coutinhos inability to shoot and make poor decisions is a recurring theme
you force the defensive error, shooting for the top corners doesn't force any errors. Shooting along the ground, yes. Threading a ball in. Yes.
Aiming for the most difficult part of the goal is just wasteful. To do it perpetually... Fuck
Lallana is just meh
Is he improving his technique or is he just taking more shots? I think it's the latter.
Coutinho came to Liverpool as a young kid that struggled to break through properly at Inter and has developed to the point where he is now rightly recognized as the star of this Liverpool side (for the little that's worth).
But from very early into his Liverpool career it's always been a case of if Coutinho is to be world class he has to do this or that or be more like this or that. Well, yeah, maybe that's true, but maybe he's not world class? Or maybe we don't drop him into a muddled side season after season and say "go on then, be more consistent, score more goals and yeah just generally be amazing and win us the game every week... oh, what? you can't? pffft".
I've said this before but I remember Sterling (and let's put aside that he's a weasel who left acrimoniously for a moment) starting the season following Suarez's departure on fire - he looked fucking great. But after a month or so when it became obvious that we were catastrophically shit and basically totally reliant on him or Coutinho he faded. But that's because he's shit, right? Nothing to do with us.
The team against Burnley was a muddled unbalanced mess and whilst that doesn't excuse some downright shocking performances, it does mean that singling out individuals is futile when once again we're wondering how to put out fires despite being a couple games into the season.
But from very early into his Liverpool career it's always been a case of if Coutinho is to be world class he has to do this or that or be more like this or that. Well, yeah, maybe that's true, but maybe he's not world class? Or maybe we don't drop him into a muddled side season after season and say "go on then, be more consistent, score more goals and yeah just generally be amazing and win us the game every week... oh, what? you can't? pffft".
I've said this before but I remember Sterling (and let's put aside that he's a weasel who left acrimoniously for a moment) starting the season following Suarez's departure on fire - he looked fucking great. But after a month or so when it became obvious that we were catastrophically shit and basically totally reliant on him or Coutinho he faded. But that's because he's shit, right? Nothing to do with us.
The team against Burnley was a muddled unbalanced mess and whilst that doesn't excuse some downright shocking performances, it does mean that singling out individuals is futile when once again we're wondering how to put out fires despite being a couple games into the season.
I think that points to one of the problems. Too often, against packed defences, there's barely any patience shown - we still adhere to the basic idea that a move must result in picking the best, or least worst, option for a shot to complete the move. But that's surely a mistake. You don't have to 'complete' any move with a shot. You simply keep working the ball, keep moving, keep trying to stretch and unsettle the defence. When there aren't any good options to shoot...don't shoot. There's nothing to be gained by ballooning the ball over the bar from 20-odd yards out - you may as well kick the ball into touch to concede a throw in. If you really want to surrender possession. The defence want to have Coutinho or someone else blast a long shot at them. If this guy really does want to impress Barca, then he'd better show a bit more nous and a lot more patience. Just keep passing and moving. A really good opening is much more likely to arrive if you keep doing that, rather than taking frantic potshots from distance.
@gkmacca I generally agree with you - a lot more patience should be shown. It's unfortunate that throughout 90 mins (on this and many previous occasions) there was almost NEVER any sign of movement that would unsettle the defense. And all too often the passing was ill-advised or off target.
A few of the shots this weekend I didn't think were awful choices- many really had no excuse.
A few of the shots this weekend I didn't think were awful choices- many really had no excuse.
Absolutely, and to prove how bad we really were against Burnley we were very patient against Arsenal and got our 3rd goal by stringing 19 (or 28) passes together.
And what exactly should he (Klopp) say?
Let's hope Barcelona were watching him on Saturday. His insistence on shooting from 30 yards was distinctly unBarca
Picking holes in that game and trying to lay blame with one factor is daft really. There were numerous reasons why we lost, as Squiggles said. Players like Milner, Wijnaldum and Henderson being shoehorned into uncomfortable roles didn't help and I'm flabbergasted that under yet another manager, we've spent alot of money and ended up fucking up the basics.
Logic would indicate he should tell him to tone down the unrealistic attempts and try find another pass.
Have the anti-Rodgers crew turned you against Klopp, Mark?
You seem way more critical of him than you were with Rodgers.
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