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Honestly, what the fuck is going on if we sell in January? What other transfer of this stature has ever happened in January? It is us though.
 
That story has been around the summer and ,I swear, the only things which seem to change are the figures. The sources are the same, SPORT or some other Barcelona-based rag. It's almost as if there is outraged disbelief in Barcelona at Liverpool's effrontery in rejecting the bid in August and hence a persistent media campaign since then.
 
Whilst I think that article is a load of shit, I'd say there's a good chance we'll get shut of him in January.

Which would be a kick in the teeth, not least cos he'll tear it up at the WC & be worth way more, but there is a genuine reason I can understand us getting it done now, although I don't agree with the reasoning myself.

No, really, keep on reading, I'm not a complete lunatic.

I am 100% certain that he is going before next season.

Bearing that in mind, if he leaves in the summer, even if we've torn it up, won the CL, the FA Cup & finished second (which isn't exactly likely to be that successful), when we start next season all that positivity & momentum won't carry over from this season, in effect it will be wasted.

If we do sell in January then, yes, it will be harder to win nice shiny things (which is why I'm instinctively against it), but anything we can achieve should be with the players who we start next season with.
 
We cannot sell in January. We have a great opportunity to make Champs League again and, regardless of how we've performed when he's been out, we are stronger with him in the squad. We will lose him in the summer but making top 4 is critical to our summer recruitment, so for me he has to stay for the season.
 
We cannot sell in January. We have a great opportunity to make Champs League again and, regardless of how we've performed when he's been out, we are stronger with him in the squad. We will lose him in the summer but making top 4 is critical to our summer recruitment, so for me he has to stay for the season.

To say anything else you'd need to be either a loony, or just a stupid twat.
 
I don't want to see us keep a player who doesn't want to be at the club. There is no proof he will give 100%, and could be quite toxic in the dressing room. If however we could change his mind till the end of the season with financial incentives and he proves to give 100% then I'm for keeping him.
I honestly think Mahrez could fill his role, and probably have could connection with Salah
 
Foxy just said he thinks that it will happen, not that it is a good idea.
This is true.

I tried to make it clear that I really don't want it to happen. I just think there is a potential benefit for next season if it does happen now as opposed to the Summer, & that may play some part in the decision making.

I don't want it to happen. I value nice shiny things above all else, & the longer we have our best players the better the chance we have of winning those aforementioned shiny things.
 
I don't want to see us keep a player who doesn't want to be at the club. There is no proof he will give 100%, and could be quite toxic in the dressing room. If however we could change his mind till the end of the season with financial incentives and he proves to give 100% then I'm for keeping him.
I honestly think Mahrez could fill his role, and probably have could connection with Salah

Mahrez turns up when he feels like it and doesn't want to know when the chips are down. He's nowhere near the same class nor has the same potential to keep improving. Coutinho can and has been inconsistent, but he repeatedly turns up for the big games and has become more and more influential each season.

We'd be dickheads if we sold him and replaced him with Mahrez. But we ARE dickheads, so I expect a decision just like that.
 
@FoxForceFive - I get you on your points, but for me I have accepted that he will leave and to be honest I think we should just get the money Barca are offering. I do not think that it is clear cut that he will be a major success in Spain - yeah he will do well but as long as the other players around him bring him into the game and give him the support he needs. I don't think our Coutinho is one of those players that can fit into any system or team, take the season where we almost won the title - I have very good memories of SSS, Gerard, Henderson, and Jon Flanagan, but Coutinho hardly comes to mind other than the Man City game. So in terms of development - he has been late. The evidence of the games against Seville do not bode well for a bright future in Spain for him either. That said - I would rather we could hold onto him because there are few players that I know that have the same set of skills that he offers our team.

I totally agree with @mark1975 with regards to his views on Mahrez - think he is slightly slower than Coutinho, and also is more predictable - but he has unlike Coutinho displayed a level of consistency in an entire season and maybe his loss of form is due to not being motivated - I mean after you have won the title and no longer in the CL - do you really want to play for a team that may never achieve those same things ever again ? - still don't think he is a good fit for us though.

The experience of Suarez, and now Coutinho has made me think that I do not want any South Americans coming to us until they have had some experience playing for those top teams in Spain - because it appears that as soon as those two teams come - they are so easily swayed that they don't give a fuck any more. Really tired of this - we should aim for the best that the other leagues in Europe can offer and target those non-south american players. I don't think this club deserves to be a feeder for the top teams in Spain.

If we replace Coutinho - I want the replacement to be a playmaker and not some functional player - also better physically built than Coutinho in the way of Hazard or De Bruyne - able to cut through teams like knife through butter. That's what we need in the replacement.
 
The experience of Suarez, and now Coutinho has made me think that I do not want any South Americans coming to us until they have had some experience playing for those top teams in Spain - because it appears that as soon as those two teams come - they are so easily swayed that they don't give a fuck any more. Really tired of this - we should aim for the best that the other leagues in Europe can offer and target those non-south american players. I don't think this club deserves to be a feeder for the top teams in Spain.

That's an interesting point and one that I tend to agree with – if there is one region of the world (besides Merseyside) where most kids grow up aspiring to play in LFC colors it's Northern Europe: Scandinavia, Ireland, Scotland. So we should use this to scoop up the best talent from these countries, especially since historically some of the greatest LFC players came from that region of the world. Someone like Forsberg or Eriksen (or Robertson who is already here) is much more likely to view LFC as the very peak of his ambitions rather than a stepping stone.
 
That's an interesting point and one that I tend to agree with – if there is one region of the world (besides Merseyside) where most kids grow up aspiring to play in LFC colors it's Northern Europe: Scandinavia, Ireland, Scotland. So we should use this to scoop up the best talent from these countries, especially since historically some of the greatest LFC players came from that region of the world. Someone like Forsberg or Eriksen (or Robertson who is already here) is much more likely to view LFC as the very peak of his ambitions rather than a stepping stone.
That was true when we were competitive, both in the league and especially in Europe. Times have changed and until we prove we are back and once more truly competitive then I'm not sure anyone, of the level we are talking about and require, will view us as the very peak of their ambitions.

Salaries are another factor and UK tax yet another.
 
That's an interesting point and one that I tend to agree with – if there is one region of the world (besides Merseyside) where most kids grow up aspiring to play in LFC colors it's Northern Europe: Scandinavia, Ireland, Scotland. So we should use this to scoop up the best talent from these countries, especially since historically some of the greatest LFC players came from that region of the world. Someone like Forsberg or Eriksen (or Robertson who is already here) is much more likely to view LFC as the very peak of his ambitions rather than a stepping stone.

In this era, it doesn't really matter where they are from really, if the biggest clubs come calling, most often than not they will want out. Say if Gomez becomes incredible and Real comes calling, there is a high chance he will want to go.

What we need to do is to make sure we call the shots when that happens, a Coutinho situation rather than a Can situation. I'll much rather we have players who are wanted by the biggest clubs than taking players the biggest clubs don't want.
 
That's an interesting point and one that I tend to agree with – if there is one region of the world (besides Merseyside) where most kids grow up aspiring to play in LFC colors it's Northern Europe: Scandinavia, Ireland, Scotland. So we should use this to scoop up the best talent from these countries, especially since historically some of the greatest LFC players came from that region of the world. Someone like Forsberg or Eriksen (or Robertson who is already here) is much more likely to view LFC as the very peak of his ambitions rather than a stepping stone.
Yes but we also lost [bcolor=transparent]McManaman [/bcolor]and Owen to Spain as did Spurs lose Bale, too. I think most players will relish the opportunity to go to a club winning shiny things and it doesn't have to be Real or Barcelona but City, PSG, Bayern etc. Until Liverpool starts doing the same, this may be a perennial saga regarding our best players.
 
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Yes but we also lost
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and Owen to Spain as did Spurs lose Bale, too. I think most players will relish the opportunity to go to a club winning shiny things and it doesn't have to be Real or Barcelona but City, PSG, Bayern etc. Until Liverpool starts doing the same, this may be a perennial saga regarding our best players.
Problem is...by the time you assemble that damn team there is always one wanting to leave. Right now there are two players in coutinho and can who dont want to be with us. Its a fucked up situation. Prefer people that want to play for us.

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Whilst I think that article is a load of shit, I'd say there's a good chance we'll get shut of him in January.

Which would be a kick in the teeth, not least cos he'll tear it up at the WC & be worth way more, but there is a genuine reason I can understand us getting it done now, although I don't agree with the reasoning myself.

No, really, keep on reading, I'm not a complete lunatic.

I am 100% certain that he is going before next season.

Bearing that in mind, if he leaves in the summer, even if we've torn it up, won the CL, the FA Cup & finished second (which isn't exactly likely to be that successful), when we start next season all that positivity & momentum won't carry over from this season, in effect it will be wasted.

If we do sell in January then, yes, it will be harder to win nice shiny things (which is why I'm instinctively against it), but anything we can achieve should be with the players who we start next season with.
Hhhmmmmm let me see. The choice between winning lots of stuff and selling coutinho for a higher price in the summer, or selling him in january and winning nothing but getting used to the players we will have. That's a hard decision to make....are you bloody INSANE? Fuck that the first option always. So we have slump next year, who cares we would have won the CL...c'mon man.
 
Surprised to see the bitey fiend being used as a puppet for Barca's message, so unlike him. I couldn't see from the article based on the mess of content from the mirror site, is this something sanctioned by Barca? Embarrassing, the lengths they go to if it's the case to include other team's players.
This happens a lot in other professions so why a big surprise if it happens in football. The only difference is that it also happens via media as wll as suarez calling his mate on the phone every other nite.
 
I gave up trying to read the article. The page is a morass of pop-ups and graphics-memory-gobbling adverts.
Echo site is the same, presumably as it's owned by same group. 2 lines of content with mass of pop ups, I understand the need for funding it but surely the current format doesn't with browser bandwidth sapping content?
 
This happens a lot in other professions so why a big surprise if it happens in football. The only difference is that it also happens via media as wll as suarez calling his mate on the phone every other nite.
Never said surprised, just embarrassing for those invoved.
It's because the player involved and the club, obviously expect nothing less from bitey to be used as a tool by his employer to be used for something else so it's not surpised in that regards.
 
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