The soft twat.
City of Manchester's quest for European glory
- Thread starter Modo
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Status
The soft twat.
There were some decent penalties last night but there was one in particular he drove the right way for and got the softest hand behind. It was dreadful.
Couldn't get from 0 to 60 quickly enough, eh? 😉
For all the great season they had in the premier league, and for all the time they spent poking fun at us for being the worst defending champions, we are only two honest VAR calls away from overtaking them in the league. That is with all of our injuries.
I think we're severely underestimating Utd here.
Ole is not great but he's not bad either. He is stable and won't lose the dressing room.
They are 2nd in the league, with their main strike-force (Martial & Rashford) injured or off form for most of the season. These two will return eventually.
Greenwood is a fantastic finisher, and only 19.
Bruno Fernandes is not world class, but he never gets injured, works hard and has a winning mentality.
Their back four is pretty solid and they are pretty defensive minded.
Midfield is a bit meh, but they have cash to blow. Kane/Haaland, Grealish/Sancho and they're good to go.
Mark my words. They'll easily come 4th next year.
Ole is not great but he's not bad either. He is stable and won't lose the dressing room.
They are 2nd in the league, with their main strike-force (Martial & Rashford) injured or off form for most of the season. These two will return eventually.
Greenwood is a fantastic finisher, and only 19.
Bruno Fernandes is not world class, but he never gets injured, works hard and has a winning mentality.
Their back four is pretty solid and they are pretty defensive minded.
Midfield is a bit meh, but they have cash to blow. Kane/Haaland, Grealish/Sancho and they're good to go.
Mark my words. They'll easily come 4th next year.
Martial has been off form ever since he scored that goal against Skrtel. They have a good squad and will most likely spend big again this summer. They should be fine for top 4. They have had an unnaturally high number of penalties at crucial moments. If that by any chance is a statistical quirk and they regressed to the mean, then they are screwed.
If we get over the injuries and if FSG supports the summer transfers properly, we should have enough firepower to blow them away next season. I am not talking buying Sancho or Haaland. Providing money for a CB, Gini replacement, and a more productive two replacements for Ox/Keita/Shaq/Origi should be enough for us.
That's my point. Given the shit in that squad, he's gotten a decent result. Not saying he's a great manager but they've almost certainly overperformed this year. Criticism of him is well wide of the mark.
Yup, it is not a bad squad by any means. I think someone like Klopp can construct a potent attack out of Rashford, Cavani, Greenwood, Martial. The rest of the squad is not bad but they have overpaid like anything for everyone.
Wan Bissaka - 45-50 million, Shaw - 30m, Maguire 80-85 million, Bailly and Lindelof - 30 m each, Pogba 80 million-plus, Fred 50-60 million, Van de Beek 40 to 50 million and rarely comes on even as a substitute. That is a lot of money on players who are not living up to the price tag.
They have two unconvincing goalkeepers on long-term contracts and in the case of De Gea - insane salary also.
Agree with you on the lack of a game plan. It seems to be all about winning penalties. Last two seasons in the premier league, they have gotten 25 penalties. In comparison, we have 11.
Well that's desperation and entitlement for you.
They skipped the rebuilding phase by buying a good team and they failed.
What? Is that even a serious question?!
I'm somewhere between the two main schools of thought on this. He settled them down pretty well after the turmoil Mourinho left behind him, but IMO their position in the league is due more to the failings of others than to their own qualities and the Europa League final wasn't the first time he's frozen on the big occasion.
I would’ve picked a third option of a huge sink hole pulls everyone in to the centre of the earth.
He's done well because we've had to play our C team all year, Chelsea had Lampard for most of the season, and the standard at the top of the league has dropped significantly.
If you want any proof he's a shit manager, look at how often they go behind. It's almost every single game. The players then come out second half and seem to take charge, throw themselves on the deck, win a dodgy pen and come back. He's useless with his substitutions - didn't make any until the 100th minute the other day, and they've been horrendous at defending set pieces which shows he's not improving that aspect on the training ground.
It's horrendous in comparison to what constituted as a top level squad in years gone by. Besides their frontline, it's really bad. They're lucky football is in a transitional period, they get all the pens ever, we had to play our C team all season.
De Gea is finished, Henderson is the next bog standard English keeper.
Wan Bissaka is useless unless he's sliding in on someone down by the corner flag.
Lindelof is hopeless.
Maguire is basically your Ryan Shawcross level player.
Shaw is okay, but a fat mess.
Matic is finished.
Pogba is THE MOST overrated player in history and nobody will ever tell me otherwise. Complete passenger in 9/10 games. People are fooled because he has great technique.
Mctominay is a decent player it seems but not top level.
Fred is absolutely woeful.
Van de Beek hasn't had a look in, god knows what he's like.
Fernandes is good, but again, he's not this world class, phenomenal talent. He's scored 20 odd penalties in a year. That's ridiculous. A LOT of his assists are 5 yard sideways passes to someone who produces some absolute magic. Again, he's good. But his stats are ridiculously padded.
Then you get to the frontline. Rashford is good, but really inconsistent and his decision making is terrible. He's not top level, but just the level below for me. He's nowhere near the top quality we've seen in the past.
Cavani, class but aging striker
Greenwood looks to have a huge future but still a kid.
Martial seens to have fallen off the face of the earth.
Man City have walked the league after getting just a few points more than they did last season when they were an extremely distant second and without a striker. Chelsea were a mess up until a couple of months ago. Everyone knows the issue with us. Leicester are a decent side, but obviously can't make the leap to the very top. Look at where that West Ham side finished.
It's a strange period in football at the minute because the world class players of the old guard are all disappearing and there's a bit of a vacuum until you get to your Mbappes and Haalands. Players are better athletes these days, no doubt, and more flexible, but there are fewer top, top level stars. Man United have benefited from that because the competition has dropped a fair bit.
TL/DR
United are shit, but so is everyone else so it sort of balances out.
Liked because it's funny but I'm not in total agreement still.
Obviously, we're a lot closer to City's class than Man U are. So in that sense you're totally right, but think they need a new CB, CM and WF and most of all a new coach for them to be anywhere close to challenging for a league title.
Their squad is probably 4th in terms of quality in the league. With us, City and Chelsea ahead of them.
Edit: Also, I think you're a bit harsh regarding Bruno. He's maybe not world class but he's definitely close. He'd walk in to our line up ( AM position).
Depends what you're wanting if you're a United fan. They could've won the league this year with a good manager, another decent centre back and a central midfielder, despite all the issues I've pointed out. I think that shows how far the standard has dropped at the top.
If they want to reach the levels of us last year, and City the few years before, as well as the levels of Barca and Real say 5 years ago - where United were under Ferguson - then they might as well be a pub team now they're that far away from that standard.
On paper, yeah, Fernandes would probably get in. But if you think of top level attacking midfielders of our lifetime, he wouldn't get close. However, he's currently probably top 5 in his position in the world at the minute. That's what I mean about the level dropping.
Got it. I actually sent your post to a Man U supporting friend, he agreed with most of what you said.
Last edited:
This is a video of Fernandes' goals and assists for 2020.
There's obviously moments of brilliance in here, I'm not saying he's shit. But about 75% of it is penalties and/or 5 yard sideways passes to someone who lashes in a rocket.
The guardian have reported they’d like Kane but think he’s off to city.
Chelsea all day. They've already won the thing
Eh, wouldn't everyone say them?
I hope they both lose, but I hope so marginally less strongly in Chelsea's case.
Last edited:
- Status
Similar threads
