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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Rosco said:
Anyway, is anyone else confused by the BoJo update.

He definitely doesn't have pneumonia, but he's on oxygen.

I have difficulty accepting both of those things are true.
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Dr on the radio saying you don't go in the ICU unless you're double fucked, they put you in an induced coma, it's at the bleeding edge of medicine. The Tories are telling us he's sat up in bed. So is he wasting a bed or is he at death's door? It's all a bit North Korea either way
 
darkstarexodus said:
Ivermectin is used in humans, topically, to treat scabies.

Evidence is lacking on efficacy re coronavirus. Again, enough there to look further but no more at this point.

Your point about malaria treatments with less side effects than ibuprofen is also not factual.
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I never knew that about Ivermectic, that it was safe for humans, I knew it had the animal licence. Another option then.
Re Ibruprofen, I was being obtuse with Frogfish, both Ibruprofen and hydroxychloroquine can have, very rarely, severe side effects with prolonged high dosage, both both are seem as very safe in a regular dose for short periods. People run hydroxychloroquine for months on end with little issue.
At a time of facing potential death sentence by contracting the virus, I'd rather run a standard malaria course for 6months and face any minor side effects of that.
 
And none of them have talked about a cytokine storm yet.

And they're supposed to be the experts
 
Rosco said:
Yaakov Litzman, health minister for Israel, has tested positive for COVID-19 after just last month saying that the virus was “punishment” for homosexuality.

According to The Times of Israel, Litzman, 71, has been accused of violating his own ministry’s guidelines on social distancing in order to continue to attend prayer services.

As well as being Israel’s health minister, he also leads the ultra-Orthodox United Torah Judaism party and witnesses said he was seen praying at the home of another member of his sect three days after indoor services were banned.

His own department’s guidelines became stricter, barring prayer services altogether, but Litzman was later seen attending a service at a synagogue near his home.

He and his wife Chava have now contracted COVID-19, and as a result of recent contact with him, Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and several other top government officials have been forced to self-isolate for 15 days.
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Imagine Israeli media being duped by a Pakistan-based website and a progressive secular humanist site that got it from… the Pakistani site.
 
Mors said:
I never knew that about Ivermectic, that it was safe for humans, I knew it had the animal licence. Another option then.
Re Ibruprofen, I was being obtuse with Frogfish, both Ibruprofen and hydroxychloroquine can have, very rarely, severe side effects with prolonged high dosage, both both are seem as very safe in a regular dose for short periods. People run hydroxychloroquine for months on end with little issue.
At a time of facing potential death sentence by contracting the virus, I'd rather run a standard malaria course for 6months and face any minor side effects of that.
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It seems hydroxychloroquine has become the drug equivalent of toilet paper - experts generally agree that it hasn’t been established there’s any point to having lots of it - but it’s being panic bought by government anyway.

That certainly seems to be the case in Australia - seems like it’s being driven by the fear of the drug being hoarded by other countries with none left if it is proven to have medical benefits to CV-19.

Trump’s response - for anyone that isn’t Dantes - is more than likely driven by nothing else than a desperation to have some sort of claim in place that he was directly responsible for saving the nation before the US Presidential Election gets underway - clinical trials will take too long - so miracle drug that he has backed has to work.

If it doesn’t, Trump will just lie about it anyway - and Dantes will find some way of claiming Trump was right all along.
 
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Also.... if Demonic Raab is stating BoJo is “stable”, “in good spirits” and not on a ventilator then poor BoJo is probably already in the incinerator.
 
StevieM said:
Also.... if Demonic Raab is stating BoJo is “stable”, “in good spirits” and not on a ventilator then poor BoJo is probably already in the incinerator.
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Pretty much what I said in a group chat earlier.

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Good news. Friend of my mother is a zoologist and apparently they’ve discovered that a new treatment for genital crabs in orangutans is showing a lot of promise in slowing down Covid 19. It’s very expensive because it’s made from the same material as double ply toilet paper but they’re already testing it at an old folks home just outside Wrexham.
 
Mors said:
Also, my mrs works for a pharma and one of her competitors has found that a head lice treatment for dogs also kills it. Obviously that one is a long long way from every getting near a humans, but pretending there are no safe human treatments for it or preventions, is a little disingenuous.
Some of that malaria treatment has side effects a lot less that regular ibruprofen.
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My wife is a pharmacist, and she kind of gets what Trump is actually saying in his conferences where he is just telling people - try it if you are given the option before you get to a ventilator. She basically said what you have just said about the side-affects, and in any case if the patient does not have a known issue and is able to take it - it is only for 5 days. Also she tells me that hospitals in this country issue experimental drugs to patients on the advice of consultants all the time - and sometimes when they the consultants go too far it is up to her and her colleagues to stop the consultants.
 
moron said:
My wife is a pharmacist, and she kind of gets what Trump is actually saying in his conferences where he is just telling people - try it if you are given the option before you get to a ventilator. She basically said what you have just said about the side-affects, and in any case if the patient does not have a known issue and is able to take it - it is only for 5 days. Also she tells me that hospitals in this country issue experimental drugs to patients on the advice of consultants all the time - and sometimes when they the consultants go too far it is up to her and her colleagues to stop the consultants.
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Sure. It might be reasonable to try but those are public health/physician/health authority decisions. Trump is advertising it to the general public like a Viagra ad. Which is another way in which their health system is fucked - direct to consumer advertising.
 
darkstarexodus said:
Sure. It might be reasonable to try but those are public health/physician/health authority decisions. Trump is advertising it to the general public like a Viagra ad. Which is another way in which their health system is fucked - direct to consumer advertising.
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He said it rightly today in the CNN press conference, and today I kind of get why he hates CNN; in last nights report after the press conference was over, they were saying that he is using the stage as a campaign thing for the next election, and he should have let the vice-president talk etc,, Tonight - he spoke and then handed over to the vice president and Trump walked off, - the vice president was going to talk about the virus stats etc probably with the doctors - but what did CNN do ? - they stopped the coverage of the press conference and decided to go over every word of Trump - showing fuck all interest in what might have been said by the vice president and their doctors.
 
moron said:
He said it rightly today in the CNN press conference, and today I kind of get why he hates CNN; in last nights report after the press conference was over, they were saying that he is using the stage as a campaign thing for the next election, and he should have let the vice-president talk etc,, Tonight - he spoke and then handed over to the vice president and Trump walked off, - the vice president was going to talk about the virus stats etc probably with the doctors - but what did CNN do ? - they stopped the coverage of the press conference and decided to go over every word of Trump - showing fuck all interest in what might have been said by the vice president and their doctors.
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Imagine that!!!

A President of the United States being scrutinised over the things that he’s said.

Who’d of thought it would ever get to this.

Really is strange times.
 
Frogfish said:
CHLOROQUINE

Good Article :

It's also been picked up by US president Donald Trump, who promoted it as a cure and said it would be fast-tracked to be available to Americans.
But is it the cure?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. This is very early days to start talking about anything as a cure and it needs a lot more testing.
Some researchers have said chloroquine shows great promise as a treatment, though scientists have agreed that more trials are needed to determine if the drug is really effective and safe.
Professor Raoult is a respected expert in his field, but this is just the beginning of the process.
Although chloroquine itself has already been tested extensively and cleared for market use, no-one really knows what its effects will be on coronavirus, whether there will be any side effects and whether any other drugs could prove to be just as effective.
Early indications from Strasbourg hospital, which is involved in the testing, are that some of the patients in a serious condition did not deteriorate to the point where intensive care was needed.
However as the trials have gone on, several dozen patients have reported undesirable side effects, and there seems to be an associated risk of arrhythmia, which can lead to heart attacks.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20200324/ch...french-scientists-say-could-treat-coronavirus
https://www.thelocal.fr/20200324/ch...french-scientists-say-could-treat-coronavirus
From the Guardian
What does the evidence show?

The French study followed work by Chinese researchers which suggested that hydroxychloroquine can slow infections from Sars-CoV-2, the virus behind Covid-19, by blocking it from entering cells in the body. But more recent, albeit small-scale, research from China has shown that patients who were treated with the drugs fought off coronavirus no more quickly than those who didn’t get it. Indeed, one patient given hydroxychloroquine severely worsened in condition while four patients on the medicine developed signs of liver damage and experienced diarrhea.
Regardless of these findings, any drug being used for a certain purpose before full clinical trials are completed is, by definition, untested and unproven. It’s too early to say if hydroxychloroquine can have a major benefit or not.
The European Medicines Agency, an agency of the EU, has said hydroxychloroquine should not be taken by coronavirus patients except for clinical trials or emergency use programs.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-cure-fact-check-hydroxychloroquine-trump
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I will use it if I am infected since there is no other choice. Side effects have to be monitored and should not be given to those with heart problem is what I read. Let the trials begin.
 
manwithnoname said:
And pretending he is still alive gains them....what, exactly?

Christ, imagine being this paranoid and suspicious about everything, I'd struggle to get out of bed.
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Gains them a bit of time to figure out how they are dealing with the fallout. Maybe delay market drops. Shit like that.

I don't think he's dead, but those seem like solid reasons to hold off announcements.
 
If this current form of Boris died, it gives them time to prepare a new human outer skin for the new form to wear. It probably takes a few days, assuming the supply chains for the correct growth media haven't been disrupted.
 
Based on zero evidence I think he’s in a bad way otherwise he wouldn’t be in an ICU. The briefings are playing it down.

I have been wondering what if Betty goes? Would the authorities just put her on ice till she gets a full on state funeral?
 
manwithnoname said:
And pretending he is still alive gains them....what, exactly?

Christ, imagine being this paranoid and suspicious about everything, I'd struggle to get out of bed.
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They have to time his death just right, so that it can have the greatest impact. If it's too soon, people will panic and go out to enjoy what little time they have left. Too late and the people will be dead already. You need to hit the precise point where social distancing is running out of steam, frustration is growing, and then have Boris die as a martyr to give people that last bit of motivation to stay indoors out of respect for his memory.
 
The way they're talking about him on radio 4 with direct comparisons to Churchill during the blitz is fucking disgusting. A brave strong man who'll get through this because of his character. After half an hour of sucking his balls they had some dude on who hasn't cancelled an event in August yet and were asking him how he'd feel if one single person got sick because of his actions, basically calling him Fred West, while the PM is a filthy arrogant superspreader, and worthy of praise.

State of this fucking Island
 
Woland said:
The way they're talking about him on radio 4 with direct comparisons to Churchill during the blitz is fucking disgusting. A brave strong man who'll get through this because of his character. After half an hour of sucking his balls they had some dude on who hasn't cancelled an event in August yet and were asking him how he'd feel if one single person got sick because of his actions, basically calling him Fred West, while the PM is a filthy arrogant superspreader, and worthy of praise.

State of this fucking Island
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Boris has a long way to go before he can match Churchills body count. Probably level in the race for racism though.
 
They want to virtue signal bullshit about his character. They're delusional. The reality is the ability of the virus to pass through his cell walls is what it is. If he dies he dies. His character is irrelevant to that biochemical process. But in their ridiculous obsession to say the right things and virtue signal, the retarded politicians are planting a very dangerous idea into the minds of people who need to be acting according to nothing but mathematical and biological facts at this time.
 
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