From or with? And how many is that?
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From or with? And how many is that?
I'm sorry but the media is in definite overdrive to make this out to be catastrophic again. And I don't believe a fucking word of it.
Your faith in that nurse is commendable, foolish but commendable. Covid is harmless to more than enough millions of people to be under no selection pressure to become even more harmless. You'd have to be very lucky if omicron is milder. The anecdotal testimonies of some South African doctors is not a solid basis to think the universe has done you a favour.
Did a quick skim... 21 patients with Omicron in hospital... 8 of which only tested positive after admission. Doesn't appear to be any data as to why they're in hospital. Unless I missed it?
We desperately need to move away from the from/with model when it comes to deaths, as well just blanket data of cases and hospital admissions without any context to the severity of the case or reason for admission. It leaves itself wide open to manipulation and scaremongering.
But we won't. So we're doomed to this cycle. The only thing that will change is the ever-tightening grip of the state.
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It says 21 omicron-related hospital admissions.
So, going by that data, there are 1,840 cases of Omicron in Denmark. 21 are in hospital. That's a ratio of greater than 1% chance of being hospitalised. That's more than high enough to declare panic stations. Welcome back to Groundhog Day. And in 6 months, when the next variant hits, it'll be the same again.
The from/with thing for deaths is a misnomer, there's a quick way of tallying the numbers, which they use a recent positive test for, and then there's actually death certs which takes everything into account. Both numbers end up roughly the same. Death certs can take a long time to become official, which isn't useful when you need data quickly.
Hospitalisations are different, but actually it won't matter hugely whether it's what put them in the first place, or what's keeping them in, or just incidental. If you keep measuring it the same way, and if Omnicom is less dangerous, you'll see the numbers go down. It usually takes about 3 weeks for cases to turn into deaths, I'm not sure what that number is for hospitalisations, but it was about two weeks ago it took off. I'd still be cautious about it, as it spreads so quickly, I think another week or two and they'll know more.
Hospitalisations are different, but actually it won't matter hugely whether it's what put them in the first place, or what's keeping them in, or just incidental. If you keep measuring it the same way, and if Omnicom is less dangerous, you'll see the numbers go down. It usually takes about 3 weeks for cases to turn into deaths, I'm not sure what that number is for hospitalisations, but it was about two weeks ago it took off. I'd still be cautious about it, as it spreads so quickly, I think another week or two and they'll know more.
Its related to when they were hospitalized. The data shows similar numbers for Delta and Omicron, and it was presented by our Federal Health Institute. Sadly, they know what they’re talking about.
But if it's on the death cert, it doesn't necessarily mean that is the cause of death, right? That was my understanding of it. Doctor's will put it down if they believe it might have been a contributory factor, no? Then you hear the anecdotal, potentially spurious claims that they're incentivised to put Covid down or whatever - which of course I'm reluctant to take too seriously, but likewise I'm not willing to rule out completely.
Of course we should be careful and prepare for the worst. But I honestly can't see an end to this.
Death certs are cause of death, including contributory factors. If Covid wasn't a factor, it doesn't go on it as a cause of death, like the example of a car crash or whatever. They've checked the numbers with the positive test metric against actual causes and it's much the same.
Just to give a personal example, a relative of mine took over 12 months to have a death cert issued as they had a big long investigation for it, not Covid, but possible malpractice. Just to give context on how long it sometimes takes.
I don't know why a coroner would be incentivesed to put the wrong cause of death on a cert to be honest, seems unlikely to me that they would all, globally, be intentionally dishonest.
Just to give a personal example, a relative of mine took over 12 months to have a death cert issued as they had a big long investigation for it, not Covid, but possible malpractice. Just to give context on how long it sometimes takes.
I don't know why a coroner would be incentivesed to put the wrong cause of death on a cert to be honest, seems unlikely to me that they would all, globally, be intentionally dishonest.
I know of one pub and one restaurant (both London, both mates) that have closed till New Year today because everything is being cancelled and they're doomed. This lockdown is happening via the BBC so that the govt don't have to dig deep this time. This time next year there'll be state owned Nandos selling Carling on every street corner and fuck all else.
It's hard not to see some merit now in the whole wealth transfer theory. Whether it was intentional or not from the outset, I'm not 100% sure. But it certainly is a happy little byproduct for the lizards.
By far the funniest thing about that is... you went “through the gate” too.... and before I did.
Hospitalisations there seem to be spiking: https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z...ts/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/
it's kicking off in our schools again - kid in my daugther's class and more and more classes are in solitary.
govt is going with '14 days' until they figure out how serious this shit is (based on what i've read - it's thankfully milder), unless you're vaccinated or get two negative tests etc (leaves me with more questions but who knows).
I guess this is the start of wave 5.
At least this won't ruin our Christmas! ;-)
govt is going with '14 days' until they figure out how serious this shit is (based on what i've read - it's thankfully milder), unless you're vaccinated or get two negative tests etc (leaves me with more questions but who knows).
I guess this is the start of wave 5.
At least this won't ruin our Christmas! ;-)
The situation report that was presented from the Public Health Institute over here had a scenario of 90 000 - 300 000 infected daily if we didnt stop the wave of Omicron now. The variant double itself in numbers every two to three days when looking at Denmark and SA.
Its currently 40% of all cases in the UK. Whether or not you have any faith in your Government, its safe to say its gonna get really messy if people dont follow restrictions.
It doesnt really matter if its mild to moderate as there will be so many hospitalizations that the health service would break its back.
Its currently 40% of all cases in the UK. Whether or not you have any faith in your Government, its safe to say its gonna get really messy if people dont follow restrictions.
It doesnt really matter if its mild to moderate as there will be so many hospitalizations that the health service would break its back.
Except that hasn't happened in S.Africa, more than one of whose medics has gone on record saying they don't know why the UK is at panic stations over it.
It is happening in South Africa, hospitalisations are nearly doubling each week.
https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z...ts/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/
That's not to mention that it's more complex than that, it depends on the age make up of the population, when and if they are vaccinated, how many have had Covid before, general health of the population etc. It's not as simple as saying it looks ok in one country, so it'll be ok in every country. The cases are spiking at a huge rate, so it's wise to be cautious.
I was referring to warnings of the Health Service collapsing, not to the number of cases. South Africa's health service is better than many imagine but not better than ours, and it's holding up OK. It's true that things will vary between countries but I'd expect the S.African medics to have taken that into account in what they've been saying. I happen to agree that caution is wise just now but it still seems to me that there's some fairly blatant scaremongering going on, though that may be partly due to the fact that the cavalier minority among the population is too large for comfort.
I can't believe we are being forced to listen to 'cases' as the factor that influences political decisions. What matters is impact and at the moment severity has not been proved to be close to that of Delta or previous. I can understand short term measures whilst we find out but this hasn't been shaped like that.
If case rates matter, lets do the same for runny noses and stubbed toes.
We also need to look at 'hospitalisations' with a new lens - when this first mattered the NHS had limited options when it came to patients coming in. They now have a host of proven drugs to reduce severity at various stages of a patient going in. Not all 'hospitalisations' are now the same.
If case rates matter, lets do the same for runny noses and stubbed toes.
We also need to look at 'hospitalisations' with a new lens - when this first mattered the NHS had limited options when it came to patients coming in. They now have a host of proven drugs to reduce severity at various stages of a patient going in. Not all 'hospitalisations' are now the same.
Getting vibes we're set for an annual January lockdown until this virus is mild enough to not kill anyone. I maybe chatting shit here, but the advantage of getting so many people boosted at once means we can potentially ramp it up again next year. If the public knew in advance we need to get boosted in October, November, could still enjoy Christmas with families and then face a January lockdown, everything would be far smoother. It's the uncertainty that drives people crazy. We seem to be at a stage that the virus will always mutate faster than the vaccines/boosters, so we should start planning it in rather than scrambling to react each time.
This time last month 8300 people were in hospital with covid. Today 7300 are, compared to 40,000 last Christmas.
We'd best cancel everything just in case.
The same posters who were saying you shouldn't look at case numbers when considering the vaccine effectiveness (or lack thereof) are the same ones saying the case numbers now mean some massive overreaction is needed.
They just parrot the lines fed by the government
They have no other choice given they have never done scientific research themselves. That post above by squiggles about needing boosters defies belief, just how poor your understanding of nature needs to be to adopt that position, people in the 18th century would be laughing out loud at how stupid we are, and they'd be right to.
There does seem to be a coercive nature to Covid 'advice' (in the UK). This piece struck a chord with me.
https://capx.co/calling-the-vaccine...tter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=13/12/2021
https://capx.co/calling-the-vaccine...tter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=13/12/2021
Nothing to do with any of that feel-infused crap. It's simply that people are naturally risk-averse. They don't like to gamble, on anything, even if the gamble has a positive pay off. The argument for taking the vaccine is backed up with comically bad statistics and horrifically stupid data science. Trust the science lol. People are not stupid in that way, they can tell the difference between certainty and uncertainty. Data science was the wrong approach to beat people over the head with, because people are risk averse, and you're an idiot if you didn't foresee this.
What should have happened once people were hesitant was to use actual science, educate them about how the vaccine was developed, what's in it, how it works, how the virus works. That didn't happen, instead they took the bad data and misrepresented it to make it look better. Now they have no credibility, there's nothing they can ever say or do to get the hesitant people back on side. It's their own fault, for being retarded headwands. That article is just fake news trying to put the blame on the unvaccinated people's feels instead of your own fucking headwand and the fact you're a clown. Because feels is all these idiots understand.