Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

[Frogfish]

I have so many people sending me messages I've now got a list of prepared answers! This one seems appropriate!

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Its natural for humans to fear the unknown but this needs to be put into perspective.

If you were to study a disease progression graph, specifically one with a long incubation period like 2019 nCoV which has person to person transmission, then clearly it can not be contained and is already global (its been found in over 20 countries already). As with all cold and flu viruses there is no way to stop the spread only slow it down. It'll still end up as a global pandemic in the end though (look out for the upcoming WHO declaration)

However no need to panic - just research Flu / Pneumonia and you'll get the bigger picture. Unless you are old or suffer lung issues then fatality rates are miniscule compared to other 'diseases' : such as car accidents!

And for some perspective when you see X people died in city Y : 80,000 died from Flu / Pneumonia (and resulting complications) in the USA alone last year. 217,000 in China in 2015 (last figures I could find - about #5 in the cause of death listings). Those figures from established flu strains. Perspective not Panic.

Of course preventative precautions should be taken to reduce exposure but as far as I'm aware it's only China that's at that stage at the moment.

 

[Frogfish]

And this one :

Most restaurants are closed everywhere (its the CNY so surprise surprise) but Supermarkets, Starbucks, Costa Coffee, McDonald's etc etc all open. I came back from Wenzhou to Shanghai yesterday on the express train.

In neither Wenzhou nor Shanghai are there any problems with food supplies. Walmart was packed with fruit and vegetables in Wenzhou. Whilst on arriving in Shanghai we bought Milk and eggs etc. and my wife ordered other supplies on line for delivery tomorrow. No issues at all.

 

[Roopy]

Of course Chinese government is covering it up.

And good on them.

I can't wait for HBO's 2045 hit mini series - WUHAN.

It'll be on the same level as Chernobyl.

 

[Y1]

Thanks mate for perspective from inside of China. Take care. Hope this will blow over soon. Thankfully fatality rate is not picking up. Remains on the twos and threes percentage.

 

[StevieM]

Of course Chinese government is covering it up.

And good on them.

I can't wait for HBO's 2045 hit mini series - WUHAN.

It'll be on the same level as Chernobyl.

What accent will the predominantly British cast be sporting this time... maybe they could all do a Scottish one for a change.

 

[Athens]

I think you only get it if you drink the beer without limes.

Then you get lime disease.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

No mention of any conspiracy theory yet ? That's not 6CM form. Frankly quite disappointed.

Btw, this is a virus so globally widespread that WHO have just declared a global health emergency, yet that gigormous land spread next to China i.e. Russia have reported ZERO cases so far. And the timing of the outbreak too.

During the busiest time of the Chinese calendar - Chinese New Year as well.

Also something significant took place earlier this month. The Chinese made a deal with the US in the on-going trade war by obliging to buy US$200 billion in additional US imports over two years. With the virus outbreak, already this is looking increasingly unlikely. It took many years for China to recover from SARS, so who knows what might Corona do this time.

I smell something very fishy. And it's not raw meat either.

 

[FoxForceFive]

No mention of any conspiracy theory yet ? That's not 6CM form. Frankly quite disappointed.

Btw, this is a virus so globally widespread that WHO have just declared a global health emergency, yet that gigormous land spread next to China i.e. Russia have reported ZERO cases so far. And the timing of the outbreak too.

During the busiest time of the Chinese calendar - Chinese New Year as well.

Also something significant took place earlier this month. The Chinese made a deal with the US in the on-going trade war by obliging to buy US$200 billion in additional US imports over two years. With the virus outbreak, already this is looking increasingly unlikely. It took many years for China to recover from SARS, so who knows what might Corona do this time.

I smell something very fishy. And it's not raw meat either.

Did you just completely ignore Froggys posts?!

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Oops. Skimmed through the entire thread admittedly.

 

[warnerles]

Quarantine any suspected cases at the Emptihad. Lots of room, sterile atmosphere; what could go wrong?

 

[Frogfish]

Big box of vegetables arrived today (bit slower than usual but again that's because it's the CNY and delivery companies are operating with a skeleton crew - ha !). Calm and quiet everywhere in Shanghai (most tourist attractions and areas which attract high numbers of people are closed). No problem finding cafes. restaurants, supermarkets etc. open. Even my local copy DVD shop told me to just drop round if I needed anything (he lives upstairs).

From the site I use to check numbers (below - it's taken from multiple sources both domestic and international) it's now in 23 countries (though it's likely in many many more inc. the UK). According to UK disease labs I checked (I forget the name, easily found via search engine) the actually figures are likely to be x10 those due to people self-medicating and deaths occurring but not assigned to nCoL (probably in the countryside) as thought to be unrelated.

The cured number has started to catch up to deaths and will surge past it once the treatment and quarantine periods have been completed, which is happening for those who caught it early. Deaths will likely end up being 2-3% of infected (similar to SARS - which I also experienced here and in fact was treated even more seriously at the time by the authorities - and in line with most flu epidemics?) and the vast majority of those are over 70 years old (with respiratory issues).

Actually this whole thing made me aware of MERS in 2012 : now that, whilst not widespread, was a serious bug, death rate close on 33%.

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[6TimesaRed]

The timing of this and the population density means it could get out of hand. Number of cases gone up twenty fold in 9 days.
From a business perspective, starting to be interesting as factories are not reopening post Chinese New year and freight companies are getting massively backed up.

But as others pointed out, more people than this, died in car accidents or shot in the USA.....

More people die from air pollution per day, yet we seeing nothing to control that

 

[Mystic]

I received this in my work WhatsApp, this from a man with three degrees in various sciences. This new emerging disease was apparently cured by the ancients. God herbalists are away with the fucking fairies.

Dear All,
With just 2 simple herbs the illness due to corona virus can be treated. My guruji, through his great grand fathers has got the knowledge transfered to himself.
Two herbs required 1. Neem 2. Phyllanthus niruri (Keezhanelli )
Grind equal portion of these leaves to a paste. Take a 50gm ball sized quantity for 3 days morning in empty stomach. Do not take anything for 1 hour.
This should be taken only in paste form. Powder or juice form will not work. You can prepare the paste and can keep it in the freezer also for consumption.

Taking these herbs will not hv any side effects. Kindly help to spread the awareness. If you hv any one in China pls tell them. We cannot send a Bhodhi Dharmar to China. But our message can be sent.
Let us help and support our brothers and sisters in China.
For more details contact
xxxxxxx

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Cobra meeting

Hancock: “What to do with these expats from China.”
Johnson: “So what areas didn’t vote Tory?”
Hancock: “Liverpool”
Johnson: “To obvious that”
Hancock: “The Wirral?”
Johnson: "that’ll do..


The goes our league title win then...

Come on Ninja - that's not even funny ...

On a more serious note, I cannot help but think an opportunity was missed to call it the Kong Flu Virus ...

WUHAN clan is nothing to fuck with - fa shizzle.

 

[manwithnoname]

More people die from air pollution per day, yet we seeing nothing to control that

Apart from all the legislation that has been introduced, including tariffs on diesel cars, bans on certain vehicles in built-up areas, and the Clean Air Strategy launched last year, which aims to halve the number of people living in areas breaching WHO guidelines on Particulate Matter within 5 years, and goes beyond existing EU requirements.

 

[manwithnoname]

Cobra meeting

Hancock: “What to do with these expats from China.”
Johnson: “So what areas didn’t vote Tory?”
Hancock: “Liverpool”
Johnson: “To obvious that”
Hancock: “The Wirral?”
Johnson: "that’ll do..


The goes our league title win then...

This is stupendously retarded

 

[6TimesaRed]

Apart from all the legislation that has been introduced, including tariffs on diesel cars, bans on certain vehicles in built-up areas, and the Clean Air Strategy launched last year, which aims to halve the number of people living in areas breaching WHO guidelines on Particulate Matter within 5 years, and goes beyond existing EU requirements.

Need more than that worldwide.. particularly in developing countries.. China, India and Japan themselves are massive contributors to this problem

But when 4 millions plus people die per year due to air pollution, is a clear sign more needs to be done..

I am aware what is going on in this country.. still no where near enough, and the 0 carbon emission targets by 2050 are probably far from reachable at this point.. An absolute pipe dream...

Investment in public transport, cycle schemes is needed, etc. Part of the problem is the current rail infrastructure just ain't up to scratch and privatisation has put profit for shareholders before welfare and making it a viable alternative for most..

Every major city imho should have no vehicle zones.. However it would require a massive investment to change the infrastructure both rail and the roads to accommodate

More renewable energy should be the order of the day.. Fuck Fracking & nuclear..

Every new house should be built with solar panels as standard..

So much more that could be done

 

[6TimesaRed]

This is stupendously retarded

Your stupidly retarded.

Its a fucking joke dickhead..

Take it for what it is..

 

[HC]

Apart from all the legislation that has been introduced, including tariffs on diesel cars, bans on certain vehicles in built-up areas, and the Clean Air Strategy launched last year, which aims to halve the number of people living in areas breaching WHO guidelines on Particulate Matter within 5 years, and goes beyond existing EU requirements.

Not sure those ( the majority) that die from dirty air are party to any of the above legislation or treaties*

*Doesn't look India or China give a fuck

 

[6TimesaRed]

Not sure those ( the majority) that die from dirty air are party to any of the above legislation or treaties*

*Doesn't look India or China give a fuck

Exactly..This

 

[manwithnoname]

Not sure those ( the majority) that die from dirty air are party to any of the above legislation or treaties*

*Doesn't look India or China give a fuck

Yeah, well I don't live there, thankfully.

 

[HC]

Yeah, well I don't live there, thankfully.

Eck!

That attitude is fuel for that autistic Scando girl

 

[manwithnoname]

Your stupidly retarded.

Its a fucking joke dickhead..

Take it for what it is..

A joke is supposed to be a clever and amusing story, often with a funny punchline.

What you have created appears to be some kind of cretinous, demented, fever-dream describing an imagined conversation about Tories killing people in The Wirral, and then linking it to Liverpool not winning the league.

It doesn't really fit into any recognisable criteria that might allow it to be defined as "a joke".

 

[manwithnoname]

Eck!

That attitude is fuel for that autistic Scando girl

Well, I'm sorry but shitting in the street and eating bat soup are deal-breakers for me.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Eck!

That attitude is fuel for that autistic Scando girl

Just a quick question.. why did the fact she is Autistic, you felt have to be highlighted.. ?!

The press has a field day with that, as an excuse not to take her comments seriously.. Stereotypes etc etc

'Oh she is Autistic. So she is talking shit, mental nutcase'

When in actual fact on the contrary many Autistic individuals happen to be the most successful and intelligent people on this planet..

 

[manwithnoname]

I think lots of people felt that the fact she was a child was more than enough reason to take no fucking notice of her, or anything she says or does.

The fact that she looks a bit weird and is autistic are lesser factors.

 

[HC]

Just a quick question.. why did the fact she is Autistic, you felt have to be highlighted.. ?!

The press has a field day with that, as an excuse not to take her comments seriously..

'Oh she is Autistic. So she is talking shit'

When in actual fact on the contrary many Autistic individuals happen to be the most successful and intelligent people on this planet..

Used it as an off-cuff descriptor

Does being autistic make one invulnerable to criticism? Are the billionaire autistic CEOs also immune to any chastising due to being autistic or is it a state one earns once famous and or rich ?

I think the idea of her being a child and dictating policy is more the issue levelled against her than her mental health

 

[6TimesaRed]

Used it as an off-cuff descriptor

Does being autistic make one invulnerable to criticism? Are the billionaire autistic CEOs also immune to any chastising due to being autistic or is it a state one earns once famous and or rich ?

I think the idea of her being a child and dictating policy is more the issue levelled against her than her mental health

I don't disagree with that comment . However it's in the manner her Autism is being played upon does not sit right with me.. Oh she sick. She is mentally ill etc.. you know the usual stereotypical Bollocks you hear from the right wing and the ill informed..

I think her stance is really quite brave.. let face it we are fucking up this planet right up for future generations.. Arguably her Austismn has centered her focus on it, far from being a bad thing imho..

 

[HC]

2 confirmed cases of Corona virus in UK! Who wants a chesty cough and a day or two working from home /off sick ?!

 

[dantes]

Just a quick question.. why did the fact she is Autistic, you felt have to be highlighted.. ?!

The press has a field day with that, as an excuse not to take her comments seriously.. Stereotypes etc etc

'Oh she is Autistic. So she is talking shit, mental nutcase'

When in actual fact on the contrary many Autistic individuals happen to be the most successful and intelligent people on this planet..

The way you phrased that still places neurotypical people at the apex, looking down upon and praising the intelligence achieved by the less fortunate autistics. The fact is you're by far inferior to autistic people, not equal, but inferior. You have lesser brains. In an ideal world you should spend your time socialising and playing, and leave the inteliigent work to your autistic overlords.