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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

The Imperial team have had everybody by the balls from the start and they're the worst predictions going. The data used two days ago is somehow already a month out of date

The fact you need to put recent data into your model to make a prediction, it is a sign you've totally fucked up at being a scientist.
 
Likewise in the brexit debate referring to economic forecasts of doom, guess what, their predictions were done using exactly the same retarded dumbass thinking as Imperial used here. One day the world may stop listening to moron academics who claim to be experts, and bring skynet online to take care of everything instead.
 
Tomorrow you'll see how well the models based on recent polling data did at predicting a landslide Biden victory. Spoiler warning: they're also morons with absolutely no idea how to predict a god damn thing.
 
My natural instinct would be to agree that Melbourne went too far on their lockdown, but it is hard to completely sure, as surely it would depend on what the downside of it was? In terms of a lot less people getting ill with coronavirus then it has worked, but I don't know what the damage to the economy is, what unemployment is now like it Australia, what impact it is had on mental health etc etc.


That’s all going to depend on specific individuals.

There hasn’t been a negative economic impact to me personally.

The Melbourne lockdown will have undoubtedly helped protect other states from having to lockdown - so they’ve been able to minimise the economic impact nationally - and going into summer we look like we’re in much better shape than we could have been.

You can see that with the development of a 2 speed economy - unemployment figures are not as bad as first feared - outside of Victoria.

I think the majority view here is that, the lockdown was a necessary evil that may have gone on a little too long.

In terms of its overall harshness - a point that I think often gets missed, while people are talking about rights, etc, is that lockdowns need to be simple, easy to understand and open to as little interpretation as possible - which sometimes means they probably can be a little to harsh.

You tell everyone that everyone has to wear a mask at all times outside - it’s probably overkill but it’s clear and concise.

You tell everyone they aren’t allowed out for more than an hour to travel more than 5kms for anything but 4 very specific reasons - again it’s overkill, restrictive, difficult - but clear, concise, effective.

We had clear targets that were to be reached to ease off.

I compare all this to the UK - I thought the rule of 6 (or whatever it was, was confusing), mask wearing rules inconsistent, there appears to be no clear targets for when restrictions are lifted, regional lockdowns variable in their application, etc

It’ll mean, loss of jobs and likely negative economic growth for a few years - but it could have been much worse.
 
Tomorrow you'll see how well the models based on recent polling data did at predicting a landslide Biden victory. Spoiler warning: they're also morons with absolutely no idea how to predict a god damn thing.
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Hahah please, the polls were all horrendously wrong. But they did their job in convincing lots of campaign funding to pour into Biden's pockets, and I'm sure some of that funding will find its way back to the pollsters.
 
We are locked down till early December. But the furlough scheme will last till March but will be reviewed in January. That means we are really in lockdown till the new year.
 
It doesn't necessarily mean we're in this lockdown until the New Year or beyond, but that there will be some restrictions everywhere until then at least. Hopefully they will be regional.
 
As soon as Big D is out of the picture, you'll see all the coronavirus hysteria drop out of the news headlines, it's work is done, people will then calm down, perhaps follow the rules like it's no biggie, and everything will be back to normal in a couple of months.
 
We are locked down till early December. But the furlough scheme will last till March but will be reviewed in January. That means we are really in lockdown till the new year.

Liverpool will be in Tier 3 until March. That's if they haven't created secret Tier 4 by then with even more restrictions. Work will still be fine though.
 
It doesn't necessarily mean we're in this lockdown until the New Year or beyond, but that there will be some restrictions everywhere until then at least. Hopefully they will be regional.

The job support scheme was meant to be available from the end of the retention scheme to allow for local lock downs. That’s been postponed till February. We are in lock down till then.
 
The job support scheme was meant to be available from the end of the retention scheme to allow for local lock downs. That’s been postponed till February. We are in lock down till then.

We shall see I guess. As far as I am aware the plan genuinely is to move to the regional system in December (and strictly speaking, in law, it ends on 2 December, so the government can't QUITE just roll it on like last time), but I am sure there will be a lot of calls to continue it on by the time we get to end of November.

I imagine even if regional restrictions do come in, there will be more in tier 3 than there were yesterday, and I expect a tier 4 (which will look like what we have now) will remain.
 
Yeah, apparently the aim to keep furlough rules in place may be more to avoid delays for parliamentary agreements than any longer term plan being considered, this is according to a family friend I spoke to who has experience in this field, shall we say.
 
I’d suggest everyone buffering off to Europe for holidays in August might have had an impact as well.

What was it like over there in Aug/Sept - was there stringent social distancing in places were people gathered like pubs, shops, etc - was mask wearing common - what was home visitation rules.
It depends where you where. From personal experience Austria, Germany and Italy were rigorous in ensuring mask wearing and use of hand disinfectant. I spent 4 weeks in Italy and all the larger shops had security on the doors ensuring you were not only wearing a mask but applied disinfectant from the dispenser on entering. Far more people wore masks around town than in the UK. On public transport everyone adhered to the regulations. Austria very similar although the disinfectant use was optional though there are dispensers everywhere.
 
It depends where you where. From personal experience Austria, Germany and Italy were rigorous in ensuring mask wearing and use of hand disinfectant. I spent 4 weeks in Italy and all the larger shops had security on the doors ensuring you were not only wearing a mask but applied disinfectant from the dispenser on entering. Far more people wore masks around town than in the UK. On public transport everyone adhered to the regulations. Austria very similar although the disinfectant use was optional though there are dispensers everywhere.

Hello super spreader
 
Hahah please, the polls were all horrendously wrong. But they did their job in convincing lots of campaign funding to pour into Biden's pockets, and I'm sure some of that funding will find its way back to the pollsters.
I would think that works in reverse. If you know your party is winning easily then there's no need to pour in more funds. If he's behind you'll donate more to try to push him/her across the line.
 
I would think that works in reverse. If you know your party is winning easily then there's no need to pour in more funds. If he's behind you'll donate more to try to push him/her across the line.

That's not what the funds are for. They are to buy equity in the president so that you own him after the election. I think the buyers will be pissed off that they got scammed for the second time in a row. The killary poll you can pretend was an outlier, happens in stats. Do it twice? It's a scam. Serves them right though.

The polls also suppress your opponents turnout because people think it's hopeless, as trump pointed out before getting cut off yesterday.
 
That's not what the funds are for. They are to buy equity in the president so that you own him after the election. I think the buyers will be pissed off that they got scammed for the second time in a row. The killary poll you can pretend was an outlier, happens in stats. Do it twice? It's a scam. Serves them right though.

The polls also suppress your opponents turnout because people think it's hopeless, as trump pointed out before getting cut off yesterday.
I would think it has a similar effect on both parties, one thinks it hopeless and the other pointless voting because it's a foregone conclusion (which is supposedly one of the main factors affecting how Clinton came to lose the last one - low Dem turnout).

I'm not sure most people's $50 / $100 / $1,000 donations are going to win them much favour with the President !
 
I would think it has a similar effect on both parties, one thinks it hopeless and the other pointless voting because it's a foregone conclusion (which is supposedly one of the main factors affecting how Clinton came to lose the last one - low Dem turnout).

I'm not sure most people's $50 / $100 / $1,000 donations are going to win them much favour with the President !

I'm not referring to most people, I'm referring to 'big' tech, media, and a bunch of hedge funds. A real champion of the working man he'll turn out to be

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/joe-biden/contributors?id=N00001669
 
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A university that spent £11,000 on campus fencing has been forced to remove the barriers hours later amid protests.

Students living at the University of Manchester's Fallowfield halls of residence awoke to find workers putting up "huge metal barriers" on Thursday. It sparked a protest among hundreds of students over the "prison-like" fencing, which was later torn down. Work to remove the fencing began last night and will be completed later. The university confirmed it had spent £11,000 net to install, inspect and remove the fencing, which had been hired for four weeks in response to security concerns about non-residents accessing the Owens Park site.

Students said the fences, placed between buildings, blocked off some entry and exit points and left them feeling trapped. Third-year drama student Billie Harvey-Munro has criticised the lack of communication over the fencing. "There's been no transparency whatsoever. Students weren't warned," said Ms Harvey-Munro, who is part of a campaign group Student Action for a Fair and Educated Response. "You have a bunch of first-year students who are scared about the current crisis anyway. "I think it really demonstrates to us how little the university had prioritised students at this time."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54841278
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Aaaaaaaahahahhhhhhhahahaaahhahaaa what a decision by the academic council, my hat is tipped to their delicious inhumanity and cruelty toward students. Absolutely top stuff from them. A shame they couldn't finish the fence.
 
That really is the most mentalist thing.. fences around a uni campus.. Did they really think the kids would sit there and be like naaa thats not nice.
That lame ass fence was always getting ripped down and put all over social media
 
Well it only cost £11000, that's an absolute bargain for erecting a fence, you might as well go for it at those prices and just see how it plays out. What have you got to lose?
 
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