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Chelsea banned from 2 transfer window dealings

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Even if this stands, they still have the squad to beat.

This may not be popular, but if we don't win the Prem I'd still sooner see them do it than ManUre.
 
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Roman will get his chequebook out and this will go away. They'll be allowed to deal in the next two windows no doubt about it.
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Why would he? He's got the perfect excuse now to close up the chequebook. He hasn't exactly been forthcoming with big money recently, has he?
 
Fantastic news.

it will be overturned obviously but nonetheless.... great news....

surely somebodies head must roll at the club for that???
 
When I heard this news i only had one reaction, albeit a tad disrespectful and childish to my mate who's a Chelsea fan. He was sitting next to me when I read this piece of news on my mobile.

"Hahahahhahahahhahahahahha"
 
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.... and that would also mean they can't sell anyone so the likes of Anelka, J.Cole etc. are stuck there. Can you see that happening ? I can't.
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1. Why would they sell their top scorer from last season

2. Why would they sell a striker playing well with Drogba this season?

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Anelka wanted a new deal - Chelsea won't give him one.
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They will now
 
Just heard on RTE that Roma were prevoiusly given the same penalty and had it reduced to one window on appeal
 
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They won't be allowed to sell players?
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Well it says "no transfer dealings" - so that has to be assumed to mean both ways. Wonder what the European Court would say to that ?
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On SSN they said that Chelsea were banned from registering new players in the next 2 windows so they are still able to sell
 
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That's amazing.
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Stunning simply stunning this sort of thing has been going on since the beginning of football.
 
United primed for Pogba fight
Le Havre ready to report Red Devils to Fifa

By Chris Burton Last updated: 3rd September 2009
United primed for Pogba fight

Manchester United have vowed to challenge any case brought against them regarding their dealings with Paul Pogba.

The Red Devils saw Premier League rivals Chelsea handed an 18-month transfer embargo on Thursday after they were deemed to have broken Fifa regulations.

The charge related to their acquisition of French youngster Gael Kakuta from Lens in 2007.

United could be the next side in the firing line, with Ligue 2 outfit Le Havre threatening to report them to Fifa.

They are unhappy at the manner in which Sir Alex Ferguson's men went about their pursuit of teenage star Pogba.

United, however, insist they have done nothing wrong, despite the player yet to be officially registered at Old Trafford.

"It is complete nonsense," a spokesman for United said.

"Everything has been done within Uefa guidelines."

Le Havre managing director Alain Belsoeur disagrees and claims to have documentation proving United offered Pogba incentives to join the club.

"We are still pursuing our case," Belsoeur told The Times.

"It is a very serious case. We are confident that we'll win because it is in the best interests not just of our club but of sport.

"We spend 5million euros [about £4.3million] on our academy every year out of a turnover of 12million euros. It is a huge investment.

"We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others.

"What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from Fifa to protect the education system."
 
I'm looking forward to 2010 when "Chelsea will be able to break-even" according to Kenyon's prediction.

Wonder how that one's going.
 
So typical of Fifa to expect more money to go to them (750k) than the club that's been screwed (130k). Easy bit of business.
 
Fifa's stand should be applauded, not derided. The Gaël Kakuta case follows several episodes in which former clubs of talented young players, often in Italy, have howled with outrage that their teenagers have been "poached" or "robbed" by ruthless English clubs waving wads of money.

Chelsea have figured in a few of those accusations, as did Manchester United for signing Federico Macheda at 16; Lazio's president, Claudio Lotito, described the environment then as "a proper cattle market".

Yet the Italian clubs had no rights in those cases; they were vulnerable because of their own regulations, which prohibit young players from signing contracts until they are 18. With Kakuta, it was different. He was playing in France, for Lens, who say they had a contract with him. Fifa's Dispute Resolution Chamber moved in, to apply clear rules which enforce a solid principle: contracts in football must be honoured. Fifa's regulations set out that any club which signs a player who has a valid contract with another club is considered to have induced that breach of contract. The penalties – fines, suspensions and the one we had barely heard of until this: banning clubs from signing any more players for one or two transfer windows – all have precedents.

While English football reeled in shock and Chelsea, although not denying that Kakuta had a contract, protested that the penalty was "without precedent to this level and totally disproportionate to the alleged offence", the Lens president, Gervais Martel, was taking it calmly.

"We expected this kind of decision," he said. "The player was under contract with us, and they came and stole him away."

Chelsea have said they will appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, but in recent cases the CAS has encouraged Fifa by upholding its rulings. In January the CAS upheld a Fifa penalty against the Al Kuwait sports club which was very similar to the one imposed on Chelsea. Al Kuwait were found to have sacked an Estonian player, Vjatseslav Zahovaiko, in breach of his valid contract. The club was fined $120,000 (£73,500) and, like Chelsea, banned from signing new players for two transfer windows.

The case being cited to give Chelsea hope was in 2005, when the CAS reduced a Fifa sanction against Roma, who were found guilty of inducing the centre-half Philippe Mexès to breach his contract with Auxerre. Still, the CAS upheld the ban on Roma signing players, reducing the period from two transfer windows to one.

There are several other cases in which the CAS has upheld Fifa rulings over players breaking their contracts, and FC Sion, of Switzerland, are currently appealing to the CAS against a two-transfer-window ban imposed in May.

Fifa has publicly welcomed the CAS when it has backed the sanctions, saying the regulations are dedicated to "defending contractual stability in football".

So Chelsea are on a stickier wicket, and Fifa surer of its ground, than some might have thought when the news first broke and the ban on signing players seemed, on these shores, unheard of.

If Chelsea are to appeal, they may have to argue that they did not do what Fifa found they did – we have been given scant details so far – or that somehow Kakuta's contract with Lens was not valid. It might safely be assumed that the DRC members are not complete fools and will have considered the issues fully, knowing that Chelsea were certain to appeal to the CAS. If the facts are upheld, the appeal will be on the severity of the punishment, and there the Al Kuwait case could stand as a precedent. Where a club has been found guilty of inducing a player to breach a contract, the CAS has upheld a two-transfer-window ban.

The case is not what it seemed at first, that Fifa had finally been able to get tough on rich clubs who poach young talent being nurtured by smaller clubs around Europe and elsewhere in the world. Nor does it have anything to do with that other stain on football's treatment of young people, the trafficking of fledgling talent across continents, by men who hope to make pots of money somewhere along the chain.

This one is more straightforward: Chelsea wanted Kakuta. No great scouting insight was necessary because he was an outstanding young player at European youth level, known to all the clubs. Chelsea signed him at 16, presumably paying him very well to join the multinational hopefuls in Roman Abramovich's academy. Chelsea's only problem, Fifa have found, is that Kakuta already had a contract, and breaking that is not allowed.

Those in English football inclined to a knee-jerk criticism of Fifa, or Sepp Blatter, for supposedly having it in for English football should perhaps think instead about applauding the world governing body for taking a stand.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/dav...09/sep/04/chelsea-fifa-contracts-transfer-ban
 
I read elsewhere that Sion immediately appealed to CAS who suspended the transfer ban pending a full hearing. Chelsea will do likewise and will be able to operate in the Jan window I'm sure.
 
This is great but I'm also a bit worried. English clubs have hit the continent (non more so than us) for young players at big clubs, just look at the few we've taken from Barca. It only takes one mistake and there is now a precident set.

Also, with United now in question too, you have to wonder how much of this is about corrupt dealings from clubs and how much this is about Fifa wanting to put a lid on how competitive the Premiership is. Just look at the shite Platini has tried to come up with in recent years.

So while it's great that Chelsea have been hit so heavily, after raping clubs for their players for years, I think a bit of caution is well due here.
 
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This is great but I'm also a bit worried. English clubs have hit the continent (non more so than us) for young players at big clubs, just look at the few we've taken from Barca. It only takes one mistake and there is now a precident set.

Also, with United now in question too, you have to wonder how much of this is about corrupt dealings from clubs and how much this is about Fifa wanting to put a lid on how competitive the Premiership is. Just look at the shite Platini has tried to come up with in recent years.

So while it's great that Chelsea have been hit so heavily, after raping clubs for their players for years, I think a bit of caution is well due here.
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The only caution is not to break the rules Mark, Chelsea think they can.

regards
 
After all, it's quite straight forward to know if a player has a contract with his club or not

Are Chelsea also being sued for a transfer fee?
 
I still can't believe nothing really happened about the whole Obi Mikel transfer saga. I know Utd got a big payoff, but still... it seemed dodgy as fuck.
 
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This is great but I'm also a bit worried. English clubs have hit the continent (non more so than us) for young players at big clubs, just look at the few we've taken from Barca. It only takes one mistake and there is now a precident set.

Also, with United now in question too, you have to wonder how much of this is about corrupt dealings from clubs and how much this is about Fifa wanting to put a lid on how competitive the Premiership is. Just look at the shite Platini has tried to come up with in recent years.

So while it's great that Chelsea have been hit so heavily, after raping clubs for their players for years, I think a bit of caution is well due here.
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The only caution is not to break the rules Mark, Chelsea think they can.

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Yeah I agree Vlad, I'm just unsure of FIFA's motives as corruption regarding transfer dealings is rife throughout Europe, but I guess Chelsea are one of the leading culprits, and by chastising them it's really setting a precident at the highest level.

Madrid should really be in for it too though, let's be honest.
 
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