I wasn't actually seriously saying there was a comparison... I'll leave that to the usual suspects.
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That's what Karius said.
I wonder what a 50 year old Zola would do with him.
Anyway, Carra as a pundit has every right to criticise players, I mean it's his damn job. I mean if we can have fucking Neville, Jenas and Murphy telling players what to do, what Carra says shouldn't bother anyone.
Despite Carra's so called limitations he's been there and done it and he deserves some respect for it.
Hamann wouldn't have said anything if the keeper wasn't German.
Just like Neville defended Rooney despite being wank.
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Carra had his obvious limitations as a player.... That people struggle to see that probably explains a lot of the analysis on this forum.
Ill use a few examples... Phil Thompson and Alan Hansen had both great careers as Liverpool defenders. In my eyes Hansen was a far superior player but that doesnt take anything away from Thommo. He made a fantastic career anyway.
Between 2002 and 2007 Carra was apparantly one of the best defenders in Europe according to people who tends to know. Same period as he played left back for us Maldini played left for Milan, Roberto Carlos for Real. In my eyes even his teammates Sami and Babbel were better. But that does not take anything away from Carra. He played to his strength.
And Scandos has always had more talents than brits.... Especially in football... How else could Your boys take a hell of a beating?? ;-)
No, No...Carra was better than Maldini and Carlos. Yeah every time I think of the best fullbacks during the 2000s, I think Maldini, Cafu, Lizarazu, Thuram, Zanetti, Zambrotta and Carra.
Maldini
But on a serious note, Carra made max career out of his talent. But to be fair he is a Liverpool legend and not an England legend to put it like that.
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Brendanj's got his years wrong, but from the end of the 2004 season and on, he was a top, top centre back. Yes, one of the best around.
Obviously. I agree however that between 2004-2007 he was among the best in the world at CB.
Stick him up front and you'll soon see his limitations.
Also, and notwithstanding the fact that he was indeed one of the greatest defenders ever, he wasn't especially quick as far as I can recall. That is a limitation, and one that he overcame brilliantly. But still a limitation.
Who said he was the greatest full back that ever lived? While we're using ridiculous exaggerations to get and an agenda ridden point across.
Lucas.
No different to how De Gea started in this country.... he looked a liability to begin with on crosses etc...
Karius will come good once he adjusts to the league etc. He's been bought for the future....
lets not hang him out to dry.
Karius will come good once he adjusts to the league etc. He's been bought for the future....
lets not hang him out to dry.
Sorry mate. A bit confused on were you heading with this.
My original point was that Carra had the backing of club and fans to develop into a fine defender albeit obvious limitations. Me personal dont think he was that good, but he was smart enough to know what that was and manage to build a great career that noone can take away from him. Managers saw something there that they decided to work with.
When he says in a tabloid way that Karius is not good enough for Liverpool he kind of says Klopp aint good enough for Liverpool. Klopp see something there that he want to work with. That is the way Klopp is. He want to work with players to make them great. Carra writing that off already doesnt taste good for me. Cause I am pretty sure himself were given benefits of doubt when Liverpool tried to sort out his position and how we could be better with him.
When it comes to Maldini you are wrong on both accounts. He was not slow and he had more than talent enough to make a great striker if he aimed for it. He was the kind of player that allowed Milan to utilize his strengths to make them better, not as Carra to hide his weaknesses to make us better.
Its always dangerous to attack the messenger rather than the message in this manner because its letting any prat with access to twitter know that you can be baited into a public war of words. Honestly I think Klopp has been ridiculously touchy about Karius and only served to draw more attention to his struggles by going on the offensive against anybody that dares to question him, its childish he needs to move on rather than making it the focal point of every press conference.
There's nothing complex here.
You're just a fucking idiot.
He doesnt make it the focal point. The media does. And he elegantly stated he is not on Twitter so he couldnt care less what the Neville brothers said on Twitter. Why would anyone care what Gary or Phil Neville says on Twitter anyway? Gary has quite clearly shown he is not able to walk the talk!
He's come out and defended his own player. That's what I want out of a manager.
We had Hodge Podge just accept some of the shit that was being aimed at Torres and we hit the roof when he didn't defend him.
I watched the press conference and it wasnt really like that in all honesty.
He also said getting criticized is part of the game and that he had no problem with it.
I think its more the manner it has been done. After watching the press conference I doubt Klopp will respond to more of these questions in the future. I'll be surprised if he does.
Urghhhhhhh.
Carragher's "heart and passion"
He wasn't some fucking plucky trier, living his boyhood dream (which was probably playing for Everton, but anyway), gamely keeping up with the infinitely more talented superstars around him through sheer grit and hard work.
The amount of back-handed compliments that totally denigrate his actual, genuine, OBVIOUS quality as a footballer is quite fucking amazing.
Some cunt will probably say he couldn't pass properly next.
Carragher's "heart and passion"
He wasn't some fucking plucky trier, living his boyhood dream (which was probably playing for Everton, but anyway), gamely keeping up with the infinitely more talented superstars around him through sheer grit and hard work.
The amount of back-handed compliments that totally denigrate his actual, genuine, OBVIOUS quality as a footballer is quite fucking amazing.
Some cunt will probably say he couldn't pass properly next.
Yeah but it's Jamie Carragher. I see him a fecking hero for us. The good clearly outweighs a couple of average seasons.
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