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Carra: Last year was a low but now our time is coming (Long read)

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King Binny

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IT WAS a grim, desolate scene at Melwood in the aftermath of Liverpool's Euro exit.

Anfield was coming to terms with another trophy-less season. There was no prospect of Champions League football in the near future, managerial gossip continued and star players were hinting at moving on.

You'd be forgiven for thinking this was the picture following a calamitous result against FC Braga on Thursday night.

Instead, Jamie Carragher is recalling the grimness of life at Anfield 12 months ago.

In those days the weekly question "Where do we go from here?" prompted a shrug of resignation and a request to change the subject.

Today the circumstances may seem familiar but there is no sense of deja vu.

"It is much different now to when we went out of Europe a year ago," said Carragher.

"I feel that the worst is over. Since the new owners arrived, Kenny Dalglish and Steve Clarke came in and Damien Comolli joined the club, you get a sense there is a clear direction and things are moving forward.

"The owners have not made a decision on the manager long-term yet, but the current set-up has worked well.

"The ownership is right and the management team is right, so it is just on the pitch where we need to get it right again and there is belief we will be back competing for a Champions League spot next season.

"Obviously it is disappointing to go out of Europe and it has not been a good season. We are not going to shy away from that, but there is a big change.


"There was so much uncertainty when we went out last season and it is not like that now.

"I'd say the morale across the club has improved. You see the lads and staff with smiles on their faces again, with everyone enjoying being at Liverpool.

"I can remember going into training at the end of last season wondering what was going to happen next.

"We were looking for a sense of when the club was going to be sold, worried what was going to be in the papers next or what was around the corner.

"It was difficult because players like myself and Stevie [Gerrard] would worry about it all the time and get too emotionally involved.

"It is because we look at things from the point of view that we'll be at Liverpool for the rest of our careers and will still be following the club after we finish.


"We wouldn't be just thinking about the next few years but about the long-term future of the club and what it would all mean.

"Perhaps the foreign lads, or players who don't necessarily see themselves as Liverpool fans as well as players, are able to take a more objective, more detached view on these things.

"They will always have the option of moving on if things are not improving, whereas for Stevie and myself that would be a lot more difficult because we feel we'll always want to be here, fighting to make the club better.

"Going elsewhere is not an option either of us wanted to consider, so we'd be thinking to ourselves what kind of players will we be able to sign in future?

"It is natural there were times you wondered which players would leave next and who would come in."

Aside from some impressive wins over Chelsea and Manchester United, the perception of Liverpool sorting themselves out off the pitch is more convincing than the ongoing inconsistent performances.

Dalglish's unifying management style allied to the impact of the £58million investment in a new strikeforce of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez, likely to be paired for the first time at Sunderland today, has been the catalyst for the upbeat mood.

"I'm a big watcher of football on the television and I can remember seeing Andy Carroll in the first few weeks of the season thinking he has set the Premier League alight," said Carragher.

"I was thinking, 'He doesn't half look a handful, that lad, he'd be a nightmare to play against'.

"I thought I'd love us to be able to go into the transfer market and sign a player like that but at the start of this season you would never have thought it possible.

"He is young, powerful and has got so much about him he has the potential to be Liverpool and England's No.9 for the next 10 years.

"I'm sure the first chance he gets, Fabio Capello will have him back in the England squad. To go and sign him as we did really sent out a message.

"Those first few signings by the new owners are really exciting. Luis Suarez looks a fantastic prospect. You can see how that partnership can develop.


"When we have Andy fully fit and firing we're going to have a strong forward line for many seasons.

"We'll just have to get used to each others' styles. We went a bit too long ball on Thursday because we were getting desperate, but that will develop.

"There are still plenty of important games this season so we've got to look for a strong finish and then we can look forward to next year.

"This club is synonymous with Europe so we will be doing everything to qualify again with fifth spot our best hope. To not be in it next season will be hard to take, but you have to try and look at it in a positive way.

"Maybe it will allow us to focus all our energies on getting back into the Champions League.


"I would always rather be in Europe than not, but getting into the top four again is going to be so important.

"I'm sure at the start of next season top four will be a realistic aim."

It has been another blighted campaign for Liverpool, who travel to Sunderland today in search of three points that could push them towards a European place.

Carragher was himself caught up in controversy following his tackle on Manchester United winger Nani when the teams met at Anfield earlier this month, with Liverpool eventually winning 3-1.

After a succession of attacks on him for the challenge, he admitted it was not his proudest moment.

"I apologised for it and said it was a poor tackle so I was pleased to see he was back in training six days later," said Carragher.

"I have played nearly 700 games and for 15 years in a position where you have to make dozens of tackles every week and that's the first time I've made a challenge which did not look so good.

"Nani miscontrolled it slightly and the ball was in mid-air as I got to him. I thought I could get the ball and I mistimed it.

"There have been a few comments from Nani and Sir Alex Ferguson since but it certainly wasn't intended to be malicious."
 
Very important and heartening to hear this kind of thing coming from one of the senior players. It shows the tide has turned in favour of optimism within the club.

Onwards and upwards.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302222#msg1302222 date=1300612632]
Gary Cahill.
[/quote]

Didn't know you rated him
 
Gary Cahill was excellent at OT yesterday, would love to sign him for the right price.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44623.msg1302259#msg1302259 date=1300615594]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302222#msg1302222 date=1300612632]
Gary Cahill.
[/quote]

Didn't know you rated him
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You're gonna see a lot more of that in the match thread today if the game goes the way I suspect it to go.
If we're going to challenge for the title next season or anything for that matter, we need a new CB.
I'm done with Carra.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302277#msg1302277 date=1300616614]
Carra is still the best CB we have.
[/quote]

A sad state of affairs to be in.
 
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302284#msg1302284 date=1300617096]
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
[/quote]

He was sublime against Chelsea, together with Agger. Taking out Nani was just ugly IMO.
His defending is second to none at times but I want more. The Braga games just confirmed what I've been thinking about Carra for a while.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302284#msg1302284 date=1300617096]
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
[/quote]

TBF he brings the best out of Skrtel, who looks a far better player alongside him.
 
His Nani challenge was awesome. He'd just been switched to that side and must have instantly thought... this dude has more assists than anyone in this league, he's faster than me, and he's going to create something, and there's only one thing I can do to stop him.

A victory for common sense!
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=44623.msg1302219#msg1302219 date=1300611892]

"I'd say the morale across the club has improved. You see the lads and staff with smiles on their faces again, with everyone enjoying being at Liverpool.


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YOU SEE, TORRES !

SMILING !!!
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302286#msg1302286 date=1300617480]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302284#msg1302284 date=1300617096]
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
[/quote]

He was sublime against Chelsea, together with Agger. Taking out Nani was just ugly IMO.
His defending is second to none at times but I want more. The Braga games just confirmed what I've been thinking about Carra for a while.
[/quote]We didn't go out because Carragher chose to hoof the ball long towards Carroll.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=44623.msg1302319#msg1302319 date=1300621582]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302286#msg1302286 date=1300617480]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302284#msg1302284 date=1300617096]
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
[/quote]

He was sublime against Chelsea, together with Agger. Taking out Nani was just ugly IMO.
His defending is second to none at times but I want more. The Braga games just confirmed what I've been thinking about Carra for a while.
[/quote]We didn't go out because Carragher chose to hoof the ball long towards Carroll.
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No we were entertained with Stoke type football.
 
So what have you been thinking about Carragher for a long time now?
 
I didn't see the Braga game so can someone answer two questions -

Did Braga press us high up the pitch ?

Was our midfield as lazy as usual when we were in possession ?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44623.msg1302327#msg1302327 date=1300624105]
I didn't see the Braga game so can someone answer two questions -

Did Braga press us high up the pitch ?

Was our midfield as lazy as usual when we were in possession ?
[/quote]They pressed us very early in our half and they also held a very high defensive line, easy to do when you are facing a team with no pace.
There was little or no movement fron the midfield through to the front, with neither full back comiting forward and bringing width.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44623.msg1302327#msg1302327 date=1300624105]
I didn't see the Braga game so can someone answer two questions -

Did Braga press us high up the pitch ?

Was our midfield as lazy as usual when we were in possession ?
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We didn't have any width, Maxi and Cole kept cutting inside.
Braga didn't press us high up they we're sitting back.
Yes, we weren't as fluent as I know we can be.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=44623.msg1302326#msg1302326 date=1300624025]
So what have you been thinking about Carragher for a long time now?
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That he's past it and that he shouldn't be starting. Don't get me wrong he's the best defender we have but what I'm trying to say is that as a club we should have better defenders.
 
As a club we should pretty much have better of everything.

Our problems are much bigger than Carra.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302286#msg1302286 date=1300617480]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302284#msg1302284 date=1300617096]
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
[/quote]

He was sublime against Chelsea, together with Agger. Taking out Nani was just ugly IMO.
His defending is second to none at times but I want more. The Braga games just confirmed what I've been thinking about Carra for a while.
[/quote]

Confirmed what? That he's a shite right-back?
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=44623.msg1302520#msg1302520 date=1300632229]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302286#msg1302286 date=1300617480]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44623.msg1302284#msg1302284 date=1300617096]
Yeah, but no reflection on him. His job on Torres at the Bridge was awesome. His taking out of Nani the other week was likewise.

If we had another couple like him instead of mongs like Skrtel and fannies like Agger we'd be fine.
[/quote]

He was sublime against Chelsea, together with Agger. Taking out Nani was just ugly IMO.
His defending is second to none at times but I want more. The Braga games just confirmed what I've been thinking about Carra for a while.
[/quote]

Confirmed what? That he's a shite right-back?
[/quote]
Yes.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=44623.msg1302568#msg1302568 date=1300633509]
He isn't a right-back though, so i don't see the issue.
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OK
 
When we have a defensive midfield that is shit, zero width, fullbacks being played in different positions out of desperation, do you really think our biggest issue is Carragher's hoofing?
 
To be fair, if you're going to judge Carra, surely it should be on games he's in his proper position.

Hopefully Kelly/Aurelio will be back for West Brom and we can see how Carra does at CB.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44623.msg1302633#msg1302633 date=1300634628]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=44623.msg1302568#msg1302568 date=1300633509]
He isn't a right-back though, so i don't see the issue.
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OK
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What I'm trying to say is that there are better defenders out there. The club should always look to improve and the fact that Carra has played in red for 10 years and is from Liverpool shouldn't factor in any more. He played on the right against Braga OK. But it didn't stop him from hoofing the ball every time he got the chance. His defending has also been suspect during the past two seasons.
I just hate to see us waste the ball because we have a player at the back that lacks the ball control and passing ability needed to start attacks. Another thing that bothers me with Carra is that he can't play himself out of danger. When he feels that he's being closed down he just clears it.
 
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