Bye Stewie!!!

[keniget]

I don't think I am at all.

I think "confidence" is too easy an argument - to say that player X who is supposed to be okay is suffering from low confidence and all it would take is Y to get him playing well again. Sometimes he's just not good enough.

The sad depressing reality is that we paid 20M for a player was never going to succeed here.

I look around at all the other top sides and I don't see any other players like Downing. The closest perhaps is Valencia at Utd and he has lightning pace to fall back on and a team that create space for him to play in.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Gerrard at low confidence will fight out of it ... So would Suarez ... Downing just can't do it, and again, the 'mentality' issue was referred to by Comolli, which leads me to believe he was 'fucked' from the get go as he couldn't handle what he got himself into.

 

[keniget]

Heh. The reason he can't fight out of it is because he lacks the talent. Suarez and Gerrard quite obviously do.

I agree that Downing has found it hard going but we've seen no evidence that he's got the ability to shine at this level as you do with other players that struggle when moved up to a higher level. No flashes or glimpses of quality. Just a consistent level of boring mediocrity. That says it all.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

He is mediocre but he's not even reached that level with us ... that's all what I iz saying.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Kenny did scout suarez, he mentioned in when we first signed him in an interview.

He said he'd seen him repeatedly & gave a rough time scale which indicated rafa wanted him.

 

[Modo]

He is mediocre but he's not even reached that level with us ... that's all what I iz saying.

So it was Rafa....

 

[Hansern]

We're a midtable team though

 

[StevieM]

Kenny did scout suarez, he mentioned in when we first signed him in an interview.

He said he'd seen him repeatedly & gave a rough time scale which indicated rafa wanted him.

This is my recollection - Rafa was looking at Suarez before he was given the boot & Kenny had scouted him for Rafa.

 

[Red_Water]

I remember not so long ago there was a twitter exchange between Enrique and Suso where the latter was having a little bit of a moan about first team oppertunities and Enrique tweeted back something like ' yeah, I agree you should be in the first team' jokingly of course. Someone here pointed out he should worry about his own place!

I can't quite figure out how he has become poor so quickly? He was great for half a season and then overnight seemingly he looses all positional sense and nods of during games.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I can't quite figure out how he has become poor so quickly? He was great for half a season and then overnight seemingly he looses all positional sense and nods of during games.

No one has figured out but I'd sadly 'assume' that that 1/2 season show was a blip ... 🙁

 

[Red_Water]

No one has figured out but I'd sadly 'assume' that that 1/2 season show was a blip ... 🙁

Looks like BR has made his mind up and bar injuries and amazing displays in the odd Europa game I can't see him getting back in the team. The short lived experiment of playing Downing there doesn't bode we'll for him either!

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Looks like BR has made his mind up and bar injuries and amazing displays in the odd Europa game I can't see him getting back in the team. The short lived experiment of playing Downing there doesn't bode we'll for him either!

yah ... i thought he was going to be the LB for the next 5-6 years ... I seem to have been very wrong.

 

[gkmacca]

Under-pressure Downing defends himself against manager Rodgers’ attack on Liverpool’s lazy players

By JOE BERNSTEIN
PUBLISHED: 23:11, 6 October 2012 | UPDATED: 23:11, 6 October 2012

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Liverpool winger Stewart Downing has become the first senior player at Anfield to question the confrontational approach of manager Brendan Rodgers as the club try to move up from the lower reaches of the Premier League against Stoke City.
Downing, signed by previous boss Kenny Dalglish, has admitted being affected by comments from Rodgers after the Ulsterman appeared to doubt his commitment following a poor start to the season.
'I was obviously upset. I always try to give my best,' said the 28-year-old England international. ‘You’ll have to ask the manager what he meant by his quotes. I would have preferred it obviously if it was private.’

Wake up call: Stewart Downing says Brendan Rodgers was wrong to single him out
Rodgers, painted as an articulate and positive innovator in a television fly-on-the-wall documentary about Liverpool, has also shown a steely side since he replaced Dalglish in the summer.
Most controversially, he targeted Downing and Spanish defender Jose Enrique before last weekend’s game against Norwich by saying: ‘Lots of others in the team are putting their bodies on the line and the ones that don’t stand out like a sore thumb.’
He also branded the Liverpool team, that included Downing, ‘lazy’ after their 3-2 Europa League defeat against Udinese on Thursday night.

Fight for the ball: Downing battles with Udinese's Giovanni Pasquale during the Europa League defeat on Thursday
Downing admits he has been to see Rodgers on several occasions since losing his place in the Premier League starting line-up but was taken aback by the manager criticising him publicly.
‘Bravery is a lot of things,’ he said. ‘If you want tackling, running around bustling, that obviously is not my game. But bravery is also taking the ball when you are losing a game and creating things, which I try to do.
‘We’ve had a few conversations. You can sit in offices for hours and talk about my game but the only way I can prove it is out on the field. When I’m given that chance I have to take it. I thought I did OK against Udinese.’
Downing, capped 34 times by England, has failed to score a league goal for Liverpool since his much- heralded £19million arrival from Aston Villa last year.With Rodgers having already allowed Dalglish signings Andy Carroll and Charlie Adam to leave the club (Carroll on loan), he would consider bids for the winger in January to raise much-needed funds for new players.


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[Modo]

heh...

 

[SaintGeorge67]

I was going to post some long rant, but Modo seems to have covered it in one syllable instead.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

He needs to move on ... He'll do well for a midtable team. Maybe Big Sam can take him next year for 10 mill? or O'Neill? Or Villa?

 

[Markeh]

He needs to move on ... He'll do well for a midtable team. Maybe Big Sam can take him next year for 10 mill? or O'Neill? Or Villa?

my bet is on him joining the ex-liverpool refugee camp that is stoke city

 

[RedZeppelin III]

I just saw this headline -

Stewart Downing: My Tackle Is Not So Hard But I'VE Got Balls For Brendan Rodgers'...

Tackle ? Hard? balls ? suit you sir !

This was bound to happen with Brendan's touchy feely approach .

 

[Ossi]

"Downing" and "brave" in the same sentence...

 

[doctor_mac]

Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin Stewie.

 

[Hansern]

You'd think he had the intelligence to just say I'm for a fight and will prove I'm good enough. But instead he comes across as a crybaby and you just know he's finished.

What a waste of money and a squad number.

 

[keniget]

He did the same at the end of last season saying that he reckons he's not been too bad.

And I think Rodgers was bang on to make it public because it's obvious their private chats weren't doing anything to change things because Stewie's attitude has looked suspect. He does nothing on the pitch and then looks moody when he is subbed.

Against Udinese he was better and seemed to be trying harder.

 

[Hansern]

Yeah I agree. He looked better, great assist for Shelveys goal but should have scored at the end.

 

[mark1975]

Downing's an odd one. He's never struck me as nonchalant or a shirker, he battled his way through clubs and obviously put in alot of hard work to get where he is. In that last season for Villa what impressed me most was his determination to stick anything infront of the ball to grab a goal. So it's all a bit baffling that when he gets to a club where fighting for a first team place goes without saying, he seems to give up the goat too easily and resigns himself to hiding. His confidence looks battered but I think what's more infuriating is that he doesn't look like he gives a shit. Henderson has been as much maligned, but one thing you can say about the lad is that he's given his all when he's had a kick up the arse. He roared at the defenders a couple of weeks back for a fuck up and seems to be playing with some fire in his belly. Downing just needs to go I think.

 

[the count]

It strikes as a situation where instead of trying to rise to the biggest challenge of his career Stu is treating joining Liverpool alone as the pinnacle, and something he will happily dine out on in his long years of retirement.

 

[Ryan]

"Bravery is taking on the ball in a losing circumstance" - shall we replay last year's Old Trafford game Stew you big fucking shitehouse?

 

[keniget]

Yeah, Downing definitely needs to go.

As I've said before - regardless of attitude I just don't think he has the talent to make it here. He hasn't got enough in his locker. That's probably hard to take, which might explain why he's hidden a little - poor Stewie's ego has taken a bit of a beating. He knows he's struggling out there - he doesn't need anyone else to tell him regardless of what he says.

 

[gkmacca]

The strange thing about Downing is that he seems simultaneously thin-skinned and thick-skinned. His head goes down during games after the slightest thing, yet no matter how much abuse he gets the rest of the time he doesn't seem to give a damn.