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[article]Forget the jolly japes, the smile, the endorsements and manic Germanic attitude. Put aside the madcap goal-filled football on display at Anfield, when teams offer to go one-to-one. Jurgen Klopp is a killer. He’s a man who won’t let anything stand in his way and this does not always sit well with those around you.

Sir Alex Ferguson used to like to big up his assistants, then relish their inevitable collapse when they stepped out from under his wings. Being the shoulder, the brains, the base is fine, but being all things to all men, women and shareholders, this is a different animal. While Steve McLaren’s relative successes on his own two feet will be considered not bad in the future. There is always the chance of a Brian Kidd waiting to happen.

When Klopp was signing up at Anfield I penned a piece that came back into a bit of vogue with his assistant’s leave of absence. As soon as I saw him stepping aside, I contacted mutual friends in Germany and the Republika Srpska. I got two varying stories.

“He was forced out after he showed an interest in the Hamburg job, that’s the story I was told. I didn’t push it out as it didn’t make sense. Until I heard he’d gotten a guarantee of a 30 million transfer war-chest to bring them back up.”
– Current sports reporter in Hesse who played with Zeljko Buvac at Neukirchen.
“Honestly, he just wanted out and is gone on gardening leave.”
– Childhood friend and confidante from Prijedor who is now working with one of Sarajevo’s big retailers.

From a range of sources there was the usual hearsay – they fell out; he’s got a drink problem; they did him for bungs; he was caught gambling on games (non-Liverpool); he owes money and was removed from the club; he’s been offered this or that job and interviewed for it and Liverpool suspended him.

Then, yesterday, the newsdesks exploded. He was wanted by Sven Mislintat – Arsenal’s Head of Recruitment – to be manager there. But this was put more succinctly by the Times as Zeljko becoming part of the club’s new coaching structure.

Ex-Liverpool player Danny Murphy decried his lack of experience, meanwhile Rio Ferdinand predicts it really is only for personal problems. Of course, media needed to figure out if the man could be a contender for the post that Arsene Wenger is soon leaving.

Klopp loses his right hand man for the crucial part of the season, including the Champions League Final, but nobody knows for how long. And everybody needs to know now.

Nobody wants to accept that Buvac moving to Arsenal might not be the worst thing for a club which has fallen far below a standard set before economic doping took full control. Buvac did a more than adequate job with limited resources at Neukirchen, albeit down the German pro ranks, but it counts.

What happened at Mainz 05 matters far more than what has followed at either Borussia Dortmund or Liverpool. It was his groundwork, scouting and negotiating that lifted the club to its new heights. Klopp was the face, Buvac, as we’ve been reminded of this week, the brain.

Anyone who knows German football will know Mainz were considered ‘harmless’, but under these two men and their colleagues, it became an unwelcome visitor or away destination. Zeljko has earned a shot at a good club, especially a mid-ranking, former power like Arsenal. The only fear would be he’ll be more Gross than Wenger and hounded out without giving it a full makeover, as Klopp has been afforded the time at Liverpool.

According to sources, Zeljko Buvac was given permission by Liverpool FC to interview for at least two jobs, though he only interviewed for one.

The Hamburg post was a smokescreen. He would never walk into a dysfunctional club where there is so much potential but so little love. While Hamburg will most likely rebound next year, there is also a chance that they will be stuck for two or three years in the 2.Bundesliga.

The relationship between Klopp and Buvac has had its ups and downs over a 17-year term, but they remain close. While an ‘insider’ tried to claim irreconcilable differences, this is not the case. There is an annoyance over one point, though it has not forced the hand of Liverpool’s paymasters. Instead, it’s to do with ambition.

The other job he was considered for and interviewed for, is the upcoming vacancy with Eintracht Frankfurt. Current boss Niko Kovac will move to Bayern Munich in the summer and Zeljko is in the running to move to the club and is gone on gardening leave in the meantime until the picture is clearer. Fredi Bobic is a fan, so too is club president Peter Fischer. Buvac is highly respected in German football circles – just as much as Klopp – and the opportunity to take over at Eintracht suits all parties.

While the deal is far from done, there appears to be no way back to Liverpool for the Bosian-Serb. His friend Jurgen would not reject him if the opportunity arose for Buvac to return, however there are elements at the club who would not shed tears at his departure. As far as the club and Buvac is concerned, his ambition is to be a manager at different club next season.

This story has not yet run its course and it might just follow the River Main.[/article]


Hmm, if it's purely about ambition and not falling out, why would he leave his post before the crucial few final games of the season? Surely he could have negotiated with Frankfurt and whoever else quietly while still working here. There must have been a falling-out.
 
So this guy has been the ying to Klopp's yang for a million years and now that we actually look like we might getting our shit together, it's no good any more.

Of course.
 
Hmm, if it's purely about ambition and not falling out, why would he leave his post before the crucial few final games of the season? Surely he could have negotiated with Frankfurt and whoever else quietly while still working here. There must have been a falling-out.
It's standard business practice in many industries to put anyone who may be going to another firm that could be a rival or become a rival on gardening leave.

It's just risk management. During that time there could be anything at all that could happen that he could be privy to that could be used against the club.

If he's been given permission to apply for other jobs then it's not beyond imagination that this is the case here.
 
Yeah but if he's applying for jobs in Germany then what difference does it really make to us?
 
It's standard business practice in many industries to put anyone who may be going to another firm that could be a rival or become a rival on gardening leave.

It's just risk management. During that time there could be anything at all that could happen that he could be privy to that could be used against the club.

If he's been given permission to apply for other jobs then it's not beyond imagination that this is the case here.

Yeah, but that logic shouldn't apply to two lifelong friends who have been working in 3 different clubs for 17 years. If they can't trust him not to share sensitive LFC information with a potential new employer so they have to place him on gardening leave, that once again speaks to a complete breakdown of trust. But I don't think it's the case – it really sounds to me like Duncan Castles actually had it right and the conflict with Klopp came first and job search and everything else came from that.
 
How's his Dad today? His health appears to fluctuate even more than that Bunbury character in The Importance of Being Earnest.
 

[article]On May 25, 2013, a few hours before leading out Borussia Dortmund in the Champions League final, Jurgen Klopp sent a text message to an old friend. "Without you," it read, "I wouldn't be here today, in London, at Wembley."

The recipient was Wolfgang Frank, Klopp's former coach and mentor at Mainz. Employing Frank's then-revolutionary zonal marking and high-paced pressing tactics, Klopp had managed to bring his master's life-work to fruition and got the low-key 2.Bundesliga club promoted to the top flight for the first time in their history, and a few years later moved on to win two championships with Dortmund.


Through his spectacular successes, German football at last understood the importance of Frank, an introverted visionary who had been simply too ahead of his time and too stubborn to find wide-scale recognition during his time on the bench. He tragically passed away aged 62, only four months after receiving Klopp's message. A malignant brain tumour claimed his life.

In just over three weeks' time, on the afternoon of May 26, Klopp might well send a similarly grateful message to another old friend who's no longer by his side -- momentarily, at least. Irrespective of the "personal reasons" that have seen his lieutenant Zeljko Buvac leave his post until the end of the season (as Liverpool's official statement has it) last week, there won't be any doubt in the Liverpool manager's mind about the enormous debt he owes to the 56-year-old Bosnian.

For a mostly successful 17 years, Buvac had been "a brother in spirit," as Klopp put it, his sounding board and loyal confidant. By the 50-year-old's own admission, appointing his former Mainz teammate as his assistant ahead of his first full season on the touchline at Mainz's former Bruchweg stadium home in the summer of 2001 had been the best transfer decision he ever made. Without him, rookie coach Klopp might have never lasted a whole campaign in the unforgiving environs of 2.Bundesliga, let alone won promotion with Mainz and three trophies with Dortmund a few years later.

The two of them had toiled for three seasons together from 1992 to 1995 at perennially relegation-threatened Mainz. Klopp, a lanky striker from a small town in the Black Forest, and the skilful midfielder who moved to Germany after the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1991 had little in common, apart from a love of tactics. They would spend hours on end debating strategy and playing styles, trying to find novel ideas that would lift a squad of below-average quality out of the quagmire.

Jan Doehling, editor at Mainz-based public broadcaster ZDF recalled that that the unlikely duo made a pact: "Whoever became a coach and had the first big job would bring in the other one."

After finishing his career as a player in 1998, Buvac tried his hand at managing at Borussia Neunkirchen in the third and fourth division. In another life, Klopp might have become his assistant. But it wouldn't have been a natural fit, according to Doehling: "Klopp is the salesman, the face of the operation. Buvac is the man for the details behind the scenes, the guy who never talks."

Christian Heidel, then the Mainz sporting director, was hugely impressed with Klopp's decision to bring in his former teammate. "It showed that Klopp saw the bigger picture, he didn't just trust his instincts," he said.

It spoke of humility, too. Roping in Buvac amounted to an admission that the then-rookie coach, aged 34, needed the help of a more experienced, slightly older colleague. Immediately after he had been promoted from player to caretaker manager to save from the drop in the spring of 2001, Klopp had still "pretended to know everything already" while harbouring "a thousand questions with no one ask." Buvac had the answers.

"He was my first choice, and he would have been my second and third choice, too," Klopp later said. "I think the biggest strength of strong people is to put people around you who are stronger in specific areas than yourself."

Some reports have miscast the Bosnian as the brains behind Klopp's trademark gegenpressing style. In truth, it was Frank who had laid the foundations for that high-energy chasing of the ball. Buvac's collaborative input was nevertheless key.

At Mainz, he set up obstacle courses with poles and benches that simulated the random nature of midfield ricochets and ensured that players trained for the hugely demanding pressing style without getting bored in the process. He could read an opponent's game at a time when video analysis was still in its infancy, implement minor adjustments that made a big difference and instantly win the respect of the dressing room by showing off his considerable technique in training.

Dortmund defender Neven Subotic revealed how pleased the team were to see Buvac take charge of two Champions League matches in 2013-14, in the wake of Klopp's suspension for a touchline bust-up with a referee against Napoli. Buvac himself did not enjoy the limelight, however.

Even though Klopp spoke of a "telepathic understanding" between himself and his assistant, their relationship was combustible at times. A fellow friend said they often bickered "like a married couple," falling out over footballing questions before making up again in due course.

"There were a lot slammed doors, a lot of cursing," Heidel said. "But in the end, they were in each other's arms again."

We are yet to learn whether Buvac's departure last week was motivated by another one of those disagreements -- and if so, whether there remains a chance for reconciliation. In the short term, the repercussions of his absence will be negligible. Klopp's team are sufficiently well-drilled, tactically, to make do without Buvac for the last three games of the season. In addition, his second assistant coach, Peter "Pete" Krawietz, who has been at Klopp's side for as long as Buvac, has become increasingly influential in recent months and can fill the void.

In case the trial separation from a man former Mainz president Harald Strutz called Klopp's "identical twin" becomes permanent, the Liverpool boss will find it nigh impossible to identify a like-for-like replacement. But the need to draft in a new member of the "band," as Klopp has described his backroom staff, also offers a chance to come up with some new tunes.

Since their arrival at Anfield two-and-a-half years ago, Klopp, Buvac and Krawietz have worked hard behind the scenes to make their team less reliant on the transition phase and to develop a more refined possession game that's needed to break down defensive opponents.

More progress might be made in that respect if a coach with a different, more combination-centric footballing background was to added to the fold. Klopp's biggest strength as a manager has been his willingness to learn from others and take on board outside influences. Losing Buvac, "the brain," as Klopp has described him, could be a catalyst for thinking things differently the future.[/article]
 
So, assuming Buvac is gone, anyone have any ideas on a new member of Klopp's team? Given Carra's fall from grace as media darling, might he be a useful addition to the staff?
 

[article]David Wagner has questioned whether Zeljko Buvac would be suited to becoming the next Arsenal manger, saying he does not like "to speak too much".

Sky Sports News understands Buvac is wanted by Arsenal's head of recruitment Sven Mislintat to succeed Arsene Wenger at the Emirates.

Wagner, who worked at Borussia Dortmund alongside the Liverpool assistant boss, says his former colleague is a master tactician but admits he has never known him to be a vocal figure in the dressing room.

"He's one of the people with an unbelievable football knowledge, he has a lot of experience in the role which he had [assistant]," said Wagner.

"Usually he likes everything that is going on on the pitch, but he isn't a person who likes to speak too much. This is how I've known him. He has a very big football brain.

"He has maybe the qualities to be a manager, maybe not. Nobody knows."

Liverpool confirmed last week that Buvac will take a break from first-team duties, citing "personal reasons".[/article]
 
We just lost a game 4-2 without Buvac - I am really hoping that Buvac the "brain" was something that Klopp used just to keep a close friend nearby and so that he would feel important. i.e. he really was not actually the brains behind our play because if he was then I dread to think what part Klopp is ? - is Klopp just the cheerleader ?
It's quite clear Buvac is the brains. Had he been on the bench then Milner would have been instructed to duck whenever Lovren was about to swing a leg at the ball and Klavan to keep his arms out straight ahead of himself, as if sleepwalking, to avoid any chance of a stupid referee giving a penalty when the ball hits an arm down at his side.
 
Klopp needs to fuck off that idea of putting Klavan on late, it doesn't tighten things up, it disrupts us and causes less cohesion and invites pressure. It's been proven time and time again.
I forget which studio commentator agrees with you and said that bringing on another CB encourages the team to sit deeper whereas bringing on another MF would likely help stem the supply and reduce the number of attacks that make it to the box. Might have been Souness.
 
I forget which studio commentator agrees with you and said that bringing on another CB encourages the team to sit deeper whereas bringing on another MF would likely help stem the supply and reduce the number of attacks that make it to the box. Might have been Souness.

Yes, a fresh midfielder would help much more. Especially with our game. I'm hoping this is a Buvac tactic we can shake off.
 
I forget which studio commentator agrees with you and said that bringing on another CB encourages the team to sit deeper whereas bringing on another MF would likely help stem the supply and reduce the number of attacks that make it to the box. Might have been Souness.
Yep it was. Of course Glenn Hoddle on the other hand spent most of the second half championing the idea.
 
How many fresh midfielders, that could handle the pressure of playing out the final 15 minutes against a Roma team going full on assault mode, did we have on the bench?
 
How many fresh midfielders, that could handle the pressure of playing out the final 15 minutes against a Roma team going full on assault mode, did we have on the bench?
I don't think that's the point.

The point is, do you switch your back four to a back three, which has NEVER failed to concede once switched to in game, or do you try to throw an extra body into the middle of the pitch.

I honestly don't think it matters who. Lash Woodburn on at number 6. Or tell Mane to play number 6 & work his bollocks off & put Woodburn upfront.

Anything but switch to three at the back & invite constant pressure for every minute we have left in the game.

It has never worked. Not once. So why keep doing it.

Its worked for other teams. Other clubs, but we can literally only play well when we have an outlet for our possession, otherwise we invite pressure.
 
I don't think that's the point.

The point is, do you switch your back four to a back three, which has NEVER failed to concede once switched to in game, or do you try to throw an extra body into the middle of the pitch.

I honestly don't think it matters who. Lash Woodburn on at number 6. Or tell Mane to play number 6 & work his bollocks off & put Woodburn upfront.

Anything but switch to three at the back & invite constant pressure for every minute we have left in the game.

It has never worked. Not once. So why keep doing it.

Its worked for other teams. Other clubs, but we can literally only play well when we have an outlet for our possession, otherwise we invite pressure.


This is absolutely true - the underlying issue seems to be we cannot pass our way out at all when under the shit like that - we needed to fill the gaps in midfield.
 
I don't think that's the point.

The point is, do you switch your back four to a back three, which has NEVER failed to concede once switched to in game, or do you try to throw an extra body into the middle of the pitch.

I honestly don't think it matters who. Lash Woodburn on at number 6. Or tell Mane to play number 6 & work his bollocks off & put Woodburn upfront.

Anything but switch to three at the back & invite constant pressure for every minute we have left in the game.

It has never worked. Not once. So why keep doing it.

Its worked for other teams. Other clubs, but we can literally only play well when we have an outlet for our possession, otherwise we invite pressure.
Woodburn to me is pretty shite. Mane was knackered.
The point I made in another post was that it’s not the system, it’s the inexperience (or lack of footballing intelligence, which would be end of discussion) of our players simply going deeper and deeper when we switch to five at the back.
That’s not how Klopp’s instructing them to play. The more we attempt it, and the more Klopp goes through it with his players in analysis and training, the better we’ll get at it.
It’s fine for us to be saying something doesn’t work right now so to drop it, but as was the issue last and the start of this season when people were on Klopp’s case for one reason or another, he’s looking at the long term. Once players understand what they’re supposed to be doing, we’ll be better for it.
Believe me I was as nervous as any one of you when Klavan came on. I really think it’s up to VVD to get up to speed and sort all the idiots around him when we’re trying to protect the lead. Benitez’s favorite phrase ‘compact’ comes to mind.
 
Fair point.

However, he's been trying this since towards the end of last season. It's not new.

It's still not working.

Tbf, once Keita is here there's a great argument that switching to 3 at the back will work much more effectively due to the outlet he will provide.

However, currently whenever we switch to it I'm almost positive we'll concede or will be under the cosh continually. We cannot play that way. We *should* be able to. Our full backs our always playing forwards, our CM always drop back to provide support, 3 at the back with wing backs pushing up should in theory be perfect for our side.

For some reason it's not.

We need to play quick high octane high risk football. We can't close games out effectively on regular basis. Every now & then. Against 'regular' teams after we've taken a lead, but against a dangerous side we need to simply attack & keep doing it, cos when we attack they can't cos we have the fucking ball. Simple.
 
To talk about 'long term' is all well and good if we were playing Bournemouth in the PL. But not to try to perfect a system when we are in the CL ¼ or ½ finals. We just needed that extra body in midfield to close down their supply - not an extra body in defence to win the crosses (Roma had 34 crosses in that second half).
 
To talk about 'long term' is all well and good if we were playing Bournemouth in the PL. But not to try to perfect a system when we are in the CL ¼ or ½ finals. We just needed that extra body in midfield to close down their supply - not an extra body in defence to win the crosses (Roma had 34 crosses in that second half).
Ex-fucking-xactly.
 
To talk about 'long term' is all well and good if we were playing Bournemouth in the PL. But not to try to perfect a system when we are in the CL ¼ or ½ finals. We just needed that extra body in midfield to close down their supply - not an extra body in defence to win the crosses (Roma had 34 crosses in that second half).
So short term, who did we have that could have come on in midfield against an all out attacking Roma for the last 15 minutes?
 
So short term, who did we have that could have come on in midfield against an all out attacking Roma for the last 15 minutes?
Woodburn - he's played midfield many times, young, fit and fast, surely good enough for 15 mins. Drop Gini and Milner deeper to track runs and cut out crosses and Woodburn just ahead of them to harass in CM.
 
Woodburn - he's played midfield many times, young, fit and fast, surely good enough for 15 mins. Drop Gini and Milner deeper to track runs and cut out crosses and Woodburn just ahead of them to harass in CM.
Well there you go. You think he’s good enough, I don’t think he is, neither is he experienced, and hasn’t played for the first team for like a year. To put him in there in that pressure situation would have been wrong. But you think otherwise so..
 
Fair point.

However, he's been trying this since towards the end of last season. It's not new.

It's still not working.

Tbf, once Keita is here there's a great argument that switching to 3 at the back will work much more effectively due to the outlet he will provide.

However, currently whenever we switch to it I'm almost positive we'll concede or will be under the cosh continually. We cannot play that way. We *should* be able to. Our full backs our always playing forwards, our CM always drop back to provide support, 3 at the back with wing backs pushing up should in theory be perfect for our side.

For some reason it's not.

We need to play quick high octane high risk football. We can't close games out effectively on regular basis. Every now & then. Against 'regular' teams after we've taken a lead, but against a dangerous side we need to simply attack & keep doing it, cos when we attack they can't cos we have the fucking ball. Simple.

A big part of being able to defend well under pressure is a centre-forward who is good at holding up the ball, one who can get on the end of a long clearance and make the ball stick by either holding off the defender and passing it calmly or drawing a foul. Drogba was great at this for Chelsea, which made their defense so much harder to break down.

Bobby is usually good at this too, but not when he’s been running non-stop for 75 minutes. Against Man City and Roma away Klopp switched Salah to that role and he did pretty well. I think ideally we need one more striker who can do this, particularly late in games - maybe Solanke can be that player eventually, but not until he improves his touch.
 
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