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A lot of love for Klavan, which is great n all, but probably time to show some support for Lovren too - who was excellent for 90 minutes and did all the work for the winner with a fucking superb header.

You couldn’t help but smile at how much it clearly meant to him. He’ll be usurped by VVD for sure, but that 94th minute winner was a pretty nice moment.
 
I liked how he went all Ketsbaia celebrating it in a likely response to the VVD transfer and recent criticisms
 
Ryan said:
A lot of love for Klavan, which is great n all, but probably time to show some support for Lovren too - who was excellent for 90 minutes and did all the work for the winner with a fucking superb header.

You couldn’t help but smile at how much it clearly meant to him. He’ll be usurped by VVD for sure, but that 94th minute winner was a pretty nice moment.
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Very reminiscent of his celebrations against Dortmund. The battle to partner VVD is very much on surely, all the potentials will look much better with him beside.
 
Ryan said:
A lot of love for Klavan, which is great n all, but probably time to show some support for Lovren too - who was excellent for 90 minutes and did all the work for the winner with a fucking superb header.

You couldn’t help but smile at how much it clearly meant to him. He’ll be usurped by VVD for sure, but that 94th minute winner was a pretty nice moment.
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He was giving it the big macho man cos he thought it was his goal. Great game today fucking shit next week. Bomb the tit off.
 
Ryan said:
A lot of love for Klavan, which is great n all, but probably time to show some support for Lovren too - who was excellent for 90 minutes and did all the work for the winner with a fucking superb header.

You couldn’t help but smile at how much it clearly meant to him. He’ll be usurped by VVD for sure, but that 94th minute winner was a pretty nice moment.
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Yeah, and that was not his first injury-time winner too. His LFC career has included some terrible low points and periods, but a few geniune highlights as well - we should not forget this.
 
rurikbird said:
Burnley player had more time to react because he was further away from the ball; once the ball zipped past Gomez there was nothing he could have done to stop the shot. Yes, he would have been in more advantageous position if he himself was also further away from Klavan and closer to Gudmundsson, but only with the benefit of hindsight, because the ball could have deflected anywhere from a contested header. If Klavan managed to partially block it, for instance, then Gomez would have been in the right position to pick up the pieces. It's one of those instances where it looks bad for him, but in reality it wasn't him who was at fault.
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I honestly disagree Amigo. I think he had time to react, but he may be the passive type. He just stood still. If he was on his toes he could have moved in some way. Instead, it was like watching a Disney animated block buster involving two sisters.

I've seen defenders in that situation dive and head the ball over the bar (and into the net).
 
localny said:
I didn't see the player he was marking standing still. If he can move, so can Gomez.
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He did a little hop like he wanted to head the ball. When the ball was flicked on he was pretty much caught flat footed because of that. It wasn't entirely his fault but he should have reacted quicker.

The burnley defender in almost the same situation for Klavan's goal was much quicker to the danger than Gomez and Lovren's flick on was slightly quicker.
 
Here's the Gudmundson goal. Take a look at when he starts his run .. and how Gomez doesn't move a muscle. Had Gomez followed him then he'd have been ahead of him and been able to clear the ball. Was there any other danger he had to cover though ?

Play it full screen - the quality is good enough.

 
If you're gonna argue about anything there it's got to be starting position. You can't be offside from a throw so he shoulda been on the back post. I'd guess he was marking a zone and if he was it's not his fault, it's our shit defensive coaching.
 
I’m with @Woland about Wijnaldum. I honestly didn’t notice him do one thing for about the first 55 minutes or so. He was completely bypassed by Burnley just knocking it over him and Can. Totally pointless player.
 
Bar the humpings by City an Spurs, I felt that Burnley was the hardest opponent we’ve faced this season. I mean - they did not just park the bus, they were well drilled, organized and had some adventure in them. All after having played the same 11 players 48 hours previously.
Seriously impressed by them. So glad we beat the fuckers.
 
Markeh said:
Very reminiscent of his celebrations against Dortmund. The battle to partner VVD is very much on surely, all the potentials will look much better with him beside.
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The problem with Lovren is the inconsistency. He has matches like this one and against Man U where he shackled Lukaku, and then he has matches like at Spurs and against Everton where he mentally comes apart in minutes or goes to sleep at a crucial moment.
 
Frogfish said:
Here's the Gudmundson goal. Take a look at when he starts his run .. and how Gomez doesn't move a muscle. Had Gomez followed him then he'd have been ahead of him and been able to clear the ball. Was there any other danger he had to cover though ?

Play it full screen - the quality is good enough.

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He was covering his zone though. Had he followed/marked the player, there’d have been a great big gap in front of goal.
I can’t blame him for that.
 
keniget said:
I have no sympathy left for Lovren. Yes, he’s produced some really good displays for us but there is always a horror show round the corner.

It’s a shame.
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Don't worry, he'll be brought back in soon after van Dijk gets injured/Is worse
 
Harsh. But to be fair, I can’t see him as a long term option. It’s too hard for young lads at big clubs unless they’re worldies. They don’t get the chance to progress.
 
juniormember said:
He was covering his zone though. Had he followed/marked the player, there’d have been a great big gap in front of goal.
I can’t blame him for that.
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Isn't the point of covering your zone to pick up on any runners into the zone? ( I may be wrong I'm a terrible defender)
 
ibromurph said:
Enjoyed having Lallana back. His energy and tactical awareness is outstanding. That last ditch tackle itself was a game winner.

Hopefully he gets another 80+minute run out on Friday.
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Didn't watch the game but sooooo happy to hear lallana is back! Don't know why some try to diss him. He is almost like the midfield version of Firminio as he dictates the press and has a decent amount of skill to boot. Admitedly, despite his decent pressing maybe his overall defensive abilities isn't the best, but at least he doesn't go full Casper like Gini in a bottle
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Solanke is playing like Brian Deane.
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Lol is that a compliment?
 
Frogfish said:
Here's the Gudmundson goal. Take a look at when he starts his run .. and how Gomez doesn't move a muscle. Had Gomez followed him then he'd have been ahead of him and been able to clear the ball. Was there any other danger he had to cover though ?

Play it full screen - the quality is good enough.

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It's not just the lack of reaction, it's the lack of awareness of where his player is before the reaction I would argue. Gudmundson was pretty much wide open.

No one expects Gomez to be perfect, but this is stuff you can avoid.
 
And yes, I forgot Burnley were in 7th, and the top team outside of the Big 6 right now. Makes the result even better as they'll take points off rivals.
 
Frogfish said:
Here's the Gudmundson goal. Take a look at when he starts his run .. and how Gomez doesn't move a muscle. Had Gomez followed him then he'd have been ahead of him and been able to clear the ball. Was there any other danger he had to cover though ?

Play it full screen - the quality is good enough.

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Woland said:
If you're gonna argue about anything there it's got to be starting position. You can't be offside from a throw so he shoulda been on the back post. I'd guess he was marking a zone and if he was it's not his fault, it's our shit defensive coaching.
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It's a good video, and highlights how much he's got to learn still.

The fix is easily coached.

His starting position is perfectly fine - in line with the four, and close/far enough from centre back to move forward and back accordingly. He's on his toes, and body is facing the right way. All good so far. The issue - and if you watch closely enough - is that he doesn't turn his head to check Gudmondsen once. As a full back or centre back in any defensive crossing position, you have to constantly be swivelling your head to check. Check, where is he, check, check check. We used to get taught that anything over 1 second is too long. If a good forward can see the back of your number for over a second and you haven't checked to see where he is, then he can be gone and do you. Aguero's amazing at it - drifts behind defenders on purposes, hopes they don't check for a second, and he's gone.

Gomez just stares at the ball for too long. Swivel quicker young man.

The positive is that it's coachable.
 
I know, I was a shit centre half for a non league club when I was a kid and I was constantly amazed by how the guy I'd just looked at was now ten yards over there scoring, and it was coz I was shit and slow to think. But I think this was tough on Gomez, if that's where he was meant to start then he couldn't have prevented that goal. Klopp agrees, not that he seems to know much about defending either.
 
It's the one flaw he's really shown. I'd go with the "he's young and it can be coached" stance too, but he's repeatedly done it. See the West Ham goal (for example), where he switches off in exactly the same position. My main worry there, is that it's the sort of lapses other defenders for us have never quite got past and it's prevented them becoming reliable players.

On the other hand, he's quite obviously more of a centre half playing wider than he wants to be, but he'll still have to be 100% switched on, whatever his position. You'd think as a natural centre half, playing wide, he'd give us that extra solidity with his natural inclination to drop inside and compact the defense when needed, which he does do, but it's fruitless if he makes these sort of mistakes.
 
I should have added that it's easily coached, if you've got someone at the club who actually coaches that sort of thing.
 
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