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rurikbird

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Klopp made 7 changes from Saturday, which I think was absolutely right - you have to protect our best players for the rest of the season and it's much easier to get injured when playing through fatigue (the weather condidtions were dangerous too). Attack never really clicked, but confidence is so important in football - and I think it was the key for us in the end. Even after Burnley equalized, you could feel the players still had the belief and they never got frustrated by what seemed like an objectively frustrating game. To pick 6 points from back-to-back games against 2 former bogey teams is simply marvellous and a testament to this team's growth.

Mignolet 6.5 Calm distribution, a couple of routine saves, could do nothing for the goal.

Arnold 6.0 I thought he was rather poor, kept giving the ball away cheaply and not really switched on in defense or adventurous enough in attack. Still, his crosses always caused a problem, including a deflected assist for Mane and that shot was once again Gerrard-like. He could really benefit from playing closer to goal so that he can try that shot 3-4 times per game, not just one.

Lovren 7.0 A couple of unnecessary fouls aside, didn't put a foot wrong in defense. Plus 0.5 for the game-winning header/shot/assist.

Klavan 6.5 Calm and composed in defence as usual, but I thought if anyone was at fault for the goal, it was him - once you lose a header so close to the goal, you are relying on luck not to concede. Redeemed himself with the injury-time winner, although was it offside by any chance?

Gomez 5.5 Looked surprisingly uncomfortable on the left, considering his confident performances there 2 years ago under Rodgers. We really missed that attacking thrust from left wing that Moreno, Robertson and even Milner used to provide and that in turn skewed our entire shape, with Ox having to play too deep and the front 4 forced to attack without the potent tool of overlapping runs from fullbacks. Goal came from a player he was marking, but I don't think it was his fault; however he had trouble closing down Gudmunsson all game.

Can 7.0 A very solid midfield performance, even more impressive considering it was his 2nd 90 minutes in 3 days. Always looking to drive forward and won most of his duels.

Wijnaldum 6.0 The usual from Gini - kept the ball well and closed the space, but you'd like more attacking quality from a talented player like him.

Mane 6.5 The overall performance was nothing to sing about, but the awesome thing about Mane is that out of nowhere he can always produce a moment of unstoppable quality and power and he did so again when we really needed it. Once again, there is no evidence that he plays better on the right than on the left - if anything, he is better when he gets a chance to attack through the middle when he is forced to make quick instinctive decisions, like he did for the goal.

Lallana 6.5 Clearly not at his sharpest yet in his first start after a long injury layoff, but gave it his all and was diligent on defense, like that goal-saving tackle in the first half.

Oxlade 7.0 Looked our most in-form attacking player on the day, unfortunately because Gomez was too deep he didn't get the ball in promising attacking areas as often as he should. Still, whenever he got the ball, he usually did something positive with it. Denied a goal by an unreal close-range save from Pope.

Solanke 5.0 Not being harsh, but he really looked not ready for this level, touch almost always heavy and too late with his runs. One positive was that he never stopped working and trying, excellent attitude but far short on quality at the moment.

Subs:
Firmino 7.0 Instantly added qualty and composure to the forward line after his introduction.
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Frustratingly it does look like Gomez consistently has a mistake in him, I hope that goes with age and experience, it's the only thing stopping him from being a super centre back right now in my books.
 
Special mention has to go to the hopeless referee today, only good thing that can be said about him is that his bad decisions didn't effect the result, but his officiating was shocking. He's one of those refs that allowed Burnley to hustle and bustle because they're a "hard working industrious team", but as soon as we did the same back he'd blow it as a foul, as if we're somehow not allowed to match them in the aspect of the game. Every 50/50 went Burnley's way today, it was pathetic.
 
You dont think the goal was down to Gomez ball watching?

What was he supposed to do? The trajectory from a header is always unpredictable; in hindsight you can always say he was supposed to stand here or there to intercept it, but in reality once Klavan lost the header to Vokes so close to goal, it's pure luck. That's my take on it, at least.
 
What was he supposed to do? The trajectory from a header is always unpredictable; in hindsight you can always say he was supposed to stand here or there to intercept it, but in reality once Klavan lost the header to Vokes so close to goal, it's pure luck. That's my take on it, at least.
Your tqke is wrong, hes completely static and nowhere near the 'trajectory' of the ball, hes also totally lost his man. He had no idea what was going on , it was clueless.

So he lost both the ball and his man which is piss poor, if that was moreno the pitchforks would be out*

*gomez is talented and young enough etc etc
 
Regarding Solanke, I think he really hurt us today. Not just in attack but also in defence by not being able to hold up the ball and give the team a chance to move up.
We're a bit spoiled up front with Firmino, you know having a striker or forward that harasses defenders as well. Solanke need to work harder. He can't be some kind of finesse player and expect defence splitting passes all the time. His runs behind the defence were bad as well.
 
Your tqke is wrong, hes completely static and nowhere near the 'trajectory' of the ball, hes also totally lost his man. He had no idea what was going on , it was clueless.

So he lost both the ball and his man which is piss poor, if that was moreno the pitchforks would be out*

*gomez is talented and young enough etc etc

You know it in hindsight, if the trajectory was different he could have been in the right place. His position was reasonable.
 
You know it in hindsight, if the trajectory was different he could have been in the right place. His position was reasonable.
His position was in all honesty OK. The problem for me was his awareness. He had his back to their player and wasnt marking anyone it seems. So imo that's completely on him.
 
His position was in all honesty OK. The problem for me was his awareness. He had his back to their player and wasnt marking anyone it seems. So imo that's completely on him.

No, he was very much aware of Gudmundsson, kepts checking across the shoulder where he was. There was simply no time to react once the ball got flicked on from the header. BTW I'm not arguing that Gomez's position was necessarily the absolute optimal one in that situaton - when the LFC coaches dissect that episode, they might find that a few yards here or there could have increased the percentage of chance of intercepting the ball or blocking the shot. What I'm saying though is that Gomez's position was reasonable and I think the reason some fans are blaming him is because of a supeficial visual similarity with the Sanchez goal last week (where he was definitely at fault). But for me the mistake was letting thr cross in and then losing the header - once those 2 things happened, it's pure luck and percentages.
 
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I thought playing 3 kids against a such a well drilled side would mean dropped points. So a brilliant result.

Agree about Solanke's performance today. If that was Origi, he would be flayed alive on here by the usual suspects.
 
Its very harsh to blame Gomez for that goal imho. You dont get much time to react from that Vokes header and his postion was Okay when the cross was hit. Usually a header from Vokes hits the target or close to it, rather ending up being a Perfect pass.

Gomez has been excellent for us, and he's young. A mistake or two will happen, but I dont think he's much to blame today.
 
I thought Klavan was dead good today, even without the goal. The rest of the defence gave the ball away all day. TAA's passing was shit and he's not a defender, but he fixed all that with his pass to Mane.

Wijnaldum is pointless. Get rid.

Ox shit out of a few challenges. Made up for it with a great free kick at the end but he didn't do enough today. He looked scared.

Solanke looked shit but he didn't get much of a look in.

Great result all things considered.
 
I thought Klavan was dead good today, .


I don't know what the stats are - maybe they show I'm completely wrong - but his distribution always strikes me as very good indeed. He's needed a run of games and my god that's taken some time but he's now a very useful squad player.
 
What was he supposed to do? The trajectory from a header is always unpredictable; in hindsight you can always say he was supposed to stand here or there to intercept it, but in reality once Klavan lost the header to Vokes so close to goal, it's pure luck. That's my take on it, at least.
Agreed.

The Sanchez one, he was ball watching, as he could see both the man and the ball and he waited for the ball to come towards him.

This one, the big mistake came with Klavan losing the header. After which, the ball could have gone anywhere. It just so happened to drop perfectly for the Burnley player. He didn't have much time to react.

Overall, I was really impressed with his speed, strength and comfort on the ball today. He's a kid still, but he's built like a man.
 
Gomez : I thought he was very good bar the goal, if you watch Gudmundsson gets a clear run on him and he doesn't move or react in any way .. meanwhile Gudmundsson has covered 7-8m.

AA : one of the worst games I've seen from him, even his 'assist' was deflected. He still has a great cross on him though.

Gini : I've been a fan but I'm slowly losing it, he was very slow on the ball today, he needs to act and react far faster. He slows down the attack and always seems to think he has more time than he does.

Mane : not a good game but if was ill as it seems, and he can still produce a moment of brilliance like that ... well I'd give him a standing ovation too !

Oxlade : thought he was excellent on the ball and was our driving force. He was at fault for the goal though, maybe tiredness ? Unlucky not to score.

Solanke: looked out of his depth all game.

Burnley : I thought they would tire and we'd get an easier victory. Where the fuck did they get their energy from !?

Klopp : has managed the team brilliantly. We were unlucky in three recent games not to pick up full points but this team is motoring now. We won't sell Coutinho this window as it could well derail the team and I believe that Klopp and FSG know that.
 
Just saw the hghlights - Pope's save on Ox's shot was unreal. So much power in the shot and was at close range, but he was able to repel it with one hand. Perhaps a little lucky, but still impressive. BTW Solanke did quite well to create that chance for Ox, good vision from him.

Klopp in the post-match presser said pretty much what I said - once the initial header was lost by Klavan, it's just down to luck where it was going to end up.
 
What was he supposed to do? The trajectory from a header is always unpredictable; in hindsight you can always say he was supposed to stand here or there to intercept it, but in reality once Klavan lost the header to Vokes so close to goal, it's pure luck. That's my take on it, at least.

I didn't see the player he was marking standing still. If he can move, so can Gomez.
 
Great result and a massive confidence builder to win at the death after conceding right at the end.

Gomez looked like he was sleeping for the goal but no way can he be blamed - could have gone anywhere. Klavan had to win that header but was nowhere near tight enough.

We never win these kind of games so big show of intent, especially with 7 changes.
 
I didn't see the player he was marking standing still. If he can move, so can Gomez.

Burnley player had more time to react because he was further away from the ball; once the ball zipped past Gomez there was nothing he could have done to stop the shot. Yes, he would have been in more advantageous position if he himself was also further away from Klavan and closer to Gudmundsson, but only with the benefit of hindsight, because the ball could have deflected anywhere from a contested header. If Klavan managed to partially block it, for instance, then Gomez would have been in the right position to pick up the pieces. It's one of those instances where it looks bad for him, but in reality it wasn't him who was at fault.
 
Feeling very pleased with Klavan. Basically when he signed a mate who follows the BL texted me and said we got a great player for fuck all. I passed on the news here I seem to recall. He's been very solid and scored today! Made up for the grafter!
 
Feeling very pleased with Klavan. Basically when he signed a mate who follows the BL texted me and said we got a great player for fuck all. I passed on the news here I seem to recall. He's been very solid and scored today! Made up for the grafter!
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