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He was already thinking in that way two years ago, after he got his injury. Borussia turned his head so much we had to block them and do a full-on charm offensive on Brewster, making all kinds of exceptionally strong assurances to him. Which now seem to have been empty promises. One of the things FSG were supposed to have done is move the club on from the kind of reputation for lies and untrustworthiness that so soured the relationship with the likes of Torres, Mascherano and Alonso. This sends out a shite message to players both inside and out.

He's well within his rights to go, it'll just be a shame. He's developed at the exact moment where,for once, our attack is immovable.

For all the promises the board can give a player like that, unless it's written in the contract, they can't guarantee minutes for him. For me, he's first choice ahead of origi, but taki could be hitting form which puts further roadblocks for him.

I dunno.

I don't want him to go, but I'd hate to stifle him more than we already have
 
I dunno, I'd say he's as well placed here as he could hope to be at any big club.

The front 3 are all 28+ and there's basically no back up for them.

If he's ready he'd get plenty of minutes.
 
Everything he said in this preseason so far was about his desire to try to break into the Liverpool team. I cannot imagine Brewster all of a sudden pushing for a permanent move to Sheffield or something.
 
Grady Diangana's sale to WBA has caused massive unrest among both the West Ham fans as well as their squad

I'm not saying the same will happen here, but selling Brewster (when he isn't agitating for a move) definitely sends the wrong message
 
The reaction is as much down to the lack of transfer activity as it is about Brewster.

From the prospect of Werner and some super midfield prospsect such Aouar or Havertz to worrying about Brewster being sold.
 
https://www.brightonandhoveindepend...upper-brightons-pursuit-liverpool-ace-2967662
[article]Following the arrivals of Aaron Ramsdale, Max Lowe, Jayden Bogle and Oliver Burke on permanent deals and Ethan Ampadu on loan from Chelsea, Wilder declared it had already been the best transfer window since he joined the club in 2016.

He wants to do one more piece of business to “complete the set” and a striker is on the agenda. It is understood that Liverpool’s Rhian Brewster is Wilder’s number one target.


The Blades have held talks with the Premier League champions regarding the England Under-21 international but Reds boss Jurgen Klopp has yet to make a decision on the future of Brewster, who spent the second-half of last season on loan at Swansea in the Championship.

Brighton are among a clutch of Premier League hopeful of landing the England under-21 star as they prepare for the Premier League opener against big spenders Chelsea at the Amex Stadium on Monday night.

“It will most probably be the loan market and we are waiting for dominoes to fall elsewhere. There is another one to complete the set, hopefully coming sooner rather than later, but if we have to wait then the wait will be worth it,” said Wilder.

“That’s the one we are speaking to at the moment. But there’s players on our list, whether they are loan or permanent, and like everybody, there’s a pecking order on that one.

“We’re confident that we can get the one that we want and if not we’re confident that there will be other players that will find Sheffield United an attractive proposition and they will be within our budget that we’ve had and the owners have given me.”

Brighton are still hoping to add a striker and left back to their ranks before the close of the window. Albion have already signed Adam Lallana on a free from Liverpool and Dutch international defender Joel Veltman from Ajax for £900,000.

Albion are also boosted by the return of defender Ben White following his successful loan at Leeds.[/article]
 
Aston Villa going for Ollie Watkins.
£28m before add ons apparently. That's a Thiago sized fee there.

Sheffield United best hope for our Brewster now I imagine...
I want him here. We have few players with his eye for goal. We've seen in pre-season he can play in this team. I hope Klopp agrees.
 
The only reason I can see for this to even be a rumour is that he's quite a saleable asset at the moment and if there's been no interest in the other players we are looking to sell (at the prices we're asking anyway) then the yanks are being ruthless regarding getting money in. As other posters have said it makes no sense otherwise.
I can see FSG telling Klopp who they have the money for but I don't see any way they are telling him which players they are selling unless he fully agrees and they have a replacement ready and waiting.
 
I can see FSG telling Klopp who they have the money for but I don't see any way they are telling him which players they are selling unless he fully agrees and they have a replacement ready and waiting.
I'm not saying they're telling him which players he has to sell but it's quite conceivable that they will tell him that this is the only player who we can sell who other clubs are interested in and we can get a decent fee for. They've shown no inclination in selling players on the cheap in recent years (or what they perceive to be on the cheap). This then puts the decision back on Klopp to decide how much he wants an additional player to come in and if he's willing to sacrifice an up and coming talent to do so.
 
I get that this talk around brewster is because there are no bigger transfers to talk about.

Is this because we're doing another fabinho, all behind the scenes?

Perhaps we're after another CF, which is why klopp won't commit one way or the other re brewster. Could it be Doku?
 
I get that this talk around brewster is because there are no bigger transfers to talk about.

Is this because we're doing another fabinho, all behind the scenes?

Perhaps we're after another CF, which is why klopp won't commit one way or the other re brewster. Could it be Doku?

Maul would be better - but I don’t know whether he has the legs for it.
 

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Even if the club tries to sell him for the amount touted, personally I hope he digs his heels , stays and fights for his place. He will get enough games this season to proove himself and don’t get the feeling Klopp is a vindictive type to try and freeze him out due to him turning down the transfer. Front 3 need a fresh option other than just Divock.
 
Klopp was asked about Brewster in his press conference today. Very guarded in terms of a response. More of a let's wait and see.
 
Klopp was asked about Brewster in his press conference today. Very guarded in terms of a response. More of a let's wait and see.

Which suggests to me that he's going. It doesn't and hasn't seemed like there is a definite idea for him to contribute this season. And without buying anyone, if Klopp thinks we can get by with what we have then we are taking a bit or a risk.

  • Firmino has declined a bit in terms of his goal threat. Not that he ever was a big goalscorer, but he can't be relied on much at all for goals.
  • There has been a similar drop off for Salah in terms of you don't know what you're getting with him half the time. He's going to continue scoring goals, but his overall cohesiveness with the rest of the front three is lesser "team" orientated and that's visibly becoming a bigger and bigger issue.
  • Mane remains our biggest threat. Any drop off (or absence) from him and we are in trouble IMO.
  • Origi - is he staying or going? One minute he looks lethal, the next almost amateurish with his application. We definitely lose something from our pressing ability when he plays, much like we did with Sturridge. He'll score a few, but when he's out of tandem with the rest in terms of understanding what the fundamentals of our tactical approach are, is it worth it?
  • Minamino - looks to be starting to get to grips with the intensity of this team and the league. Is starting to show the cleverness he did before he signed, clever off the ball and now showing he can be creative AND a threat when on it. We are hinging alot on him coming good this season, Keita (once again) too.
  • Brewster - I think if you look at United and Chelsea's recent successes with promoting young attacking talent, he has all the makings of having a similar impact for us. He knows the team, knows the tactics and looks like he's now chomping to step up. I'm willing to bet that if he stays he will be a nice surprise for us this season and if he goes on loan he won't ever play for us again competitively, which would be criminal.
 
If we leave the transfer window, with gini and Brewster going, with Kostas being the only incoming... The fuck man

TPG kind of makes me think all incomings have been stamped on
 
I'm trying my best to understand the logic... I think from the manager's standpoint, thinking purely about team selection, Brewster and Origi at this point represent the same type of player – a forward whose primary strength is as a finisher, but with question marks about their overall game and perhaps a better fit for a simpler 4-2-3-1 than Klopp's insanely complex and fluid 4-3-3 shape. The difference between them, of course, is that Origi is pretty much a finished article (although I think he is capable of being better than what he showed last season given a consistent run of starts somewhere), whereas Brewster still has plenty of time to work on his weak points. But going back to the team selection perspective, perhaps for Klopp there is only 1 spot in the squad for this type of a player, so one of Brewster or Origi simply has to leave.

We would have happily sold Origi to Villa for the reported asking price of £25M; unfortunately for us they had 2-3 other strikers ahead of him in the list and in the end decided to sign Watkins for a few million quid more. At this point, with the pandemic taking a lot of non-English clubs out of the market, it doesn't seem like Origi is going to be sold for the price we think a player of his quality and status is worth, so it affects Brewster's chances of getting into the team (through no fault of his own) and he's naturally a more sellable asset due to the English premium. Perhaps another aspect of this is the contract situation – in recent years the Academy developed a number of good young players who have started coming into their prime just as their contract with us expired and other clubs snapped them up. Our loss was Milan's gain with Suso, Lazio's with Luis Alberto etc, Nantes' with Chirivella etc. Given how aggressively Brewster pushed for a move to Dortmund, perhaps the club's decision-makers became convinced that the same is likely to happen with Brewster in 2023 and came up with an idea of how to avoid it – selling with a buy-out clause, which if triggered (and if Brewster agrees to come back to LFC) would mean another long-term deal for Rhian, which would ensure that his best years are spent with us.

It's a roundabout way of doing it and perhaps more expensive in the long run, but it also transfers the risk of him not making the best of his potential to the buying club, which could be worth the extra expense. Does this make any sense to any of you or am I talking absolute bollocks here (which is very possible, since I know fuck all about contracts and finances)?
 
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It seems also that we would rather let Brewster leave, and use that cash to buy a young WF like Sarr or Doku. That sort of player would fit more naturally into Klopp's 4-3-3, but I am surprised that Klopp isn't backing himself to use the available talent at his disposal and fashion a more tactically flexible team over the next couple of years.
 
@rurikbird good post. Any thoughts on Minamino being a possible long term replacement/alternative to Bobby? His hold up play would need to improve, but he seems more suited to playing central, either behind the front three or as the false 9. If that were the case, it limits Brewsters opportunities massively.
 
As an aside to the possible departure of Brewster, there really is no precedent for us selling a youth player before they break into the first team only for them to go on to be a superstar.
A few moderate success stories, Suso, Ayla, Paletta Coady Gulasci spring to mind though there seems to be plenty more to counter that with the like of Solanke, Ibe Ince etc
 
As an aside to the possible departure of Brewster, there really is no precedent for us selling a youth player before they break into the first team only for them to go on to be a superstar.
A few moderate success stories, Suso, Ayla, Paletta Coady Gulasci spring to mind though there seems to be plenty more to counter that with the like of Solanke, Ibe Ince etc

Sure but those players weren't rated particularly highly. Perhaps Ibe was at one time, but he was given a decent run at being a first team player.

The precedent for us of selling a youngster who's generally considered to have a good chance of making it with us, before they've even been given a proper go, is basically non-existent.

It's never happened before. Maybe it'd be the right call, but it's not equivalent to us letting someone like Coady go.
 
That’s a big pity, would have preferred to have kept Brewster for one more season and been given a chance through the center with Firmino’s current form. It’s been coming, all the rumours and club’s publicity machine has been in play lately.
I know Sarr is a different kind of player but if it came to it, have a bias for youth came through the ranks having been aware of him over the last 5yrs. Surely, if it’s just about 20m, FSG can speculate to accumulate rather than forcing to sell a youth talent unless Klopp just doesn’t fancy him.
Would have love to seen him start at least one PL game this season with Salah and Mane...
 
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