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One of the reasons I want us to get Thiago is that we could start playing the double pivot in midfield regularly if needed. Fabinho, Thiago and Keita all come from systems which played the double pivot, and it'll give us more tactical and technical versatility.

There's huge pressure for us to constantly be at 100% intensity to bludgeon teams into submission. Sometimes you need to be able to relax, and just try and let your technique and quality shine through. We just can't do that with our 'energy' midfield of Gini, Fabinho, Henderson.

The added advantage of the double pivot is that the 4-2-3-1 becomes viable for the attack also. You could play Shaq on the right if needed. Salah or Brewster up top, and any one of Firmino, Minamino and Jones in the no. 10 / free role.

Exactly what I'm thinking. Hendo doesn't seem cut out for the double-pivot and Gini probably could do it, but only alongside a more creative partner like Thiago.

There is another aspect to this – this article details how our front 3 has less of the ball and less of a statistically measurable attacking impact season after season (maybe @737Max can post a free version for us non-subscribers?), which they explain in various ways, but perhaps the simplest explanation is that their impact is gradually getting blunted. So particularly against deep-defending teams, perhaps it's time to think about adding an extra attacker to consistently break through. Take the example of Bayern Munich – they play with two wing-forwards who like to stay narrow much like Salah and Mane, but they also have a "real" #9 and a #10/second striker in Mueller. At least for Germany, the double-pivot in midfield is usually enough to maintain balance (might be more tricky in the EPL) and Goretzka often joins the attack as almost an additional striker as well.

So if we switch to something like 4-2-3-1, it would be less of a classic, defensive interpretation of that shape – wingers who track back and a #10 who joins the 2 midfielders as needed, leaving the striker alone up top, but something closer to Bayern's, playing basically with 4 forwards, supported by 2 creative midfielders and attacking full-backs as well. That requires superb fitness, quick and physically dominant defenders not afraid of playing a high line and a great GK capable of dealing with the inevitable couple of defensive breakdowns per game – but we have all that and are arguably more solid at the back than Bayern.

4-2-3-1:

-------------------Firmino/Brewster----------------------
Mane/Sarr---Ox/Minamino/Jones---Salah/Shaqiri
-------------Thiago/Keita----Fabs/Gini-----------------

Any time you need more midfield solidity and strength, substitute Ox/Minamino/Jones for Hendo/Milner as one of the 3 midfielders.
 
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If it doesn't work out for him it doesn't work out for him. That's the way it goes. But if he doesn't do the business for Sheffield United you can hardly see him coming back so he might as well have his Premier League chance with us.

The last striker we sent out and had an unimpressive loan spell came back and won us the European cup. Agree with your post. At this stage not sure what Brewster is going to gain by sending him out on loan. Especially if the squad remains the same, he is going to get chances this season.
 
Talks with Klopp after the Communit Shield on whether he'll stay or go out on loan.

I'm quite clear about this - he's ready to contribute, and our attack needs freshening up. I don't think we have much to gain by sending him out, and keeping Origi.
 
One of the reasons I want us to get Thiago is that we could start playing the double pivot in midfield regularly if needed. Fabinho, Thiago and Keita all come from systems which played the double pivot, and it'll give us more tactical and technical versatility.

There's huge pressure for us to constantly be at 100% intensity to bludgeon teams into submission. Sometimes you need to be able to relax, and just try and let your technique and quality shine through. We just can't do that with our 'energy' midfield of Gini, Fabinho, Henderson.

The added advantage of the double pivot is that the 4-2-3-1 becomes viable for the attack also. You could play Shaq on the right if needed. Salah or Brewster up top, and any one of Firmino, Minamino and Jones in the no. 10 / free role.
Excellent point.

Klopp loves his tactical flexibility but he hasn't had the options in many games to demonstrate it. Bringing in Thiago and keeping Brewster would add more dimensions to our game for sure.
 
One of the reasons I want us to get Thiago is that we could start playing the double pivot in midfield regularly if needed. Fabinho, Thiago and Keita all come from systems which played the double pivot, and it'll give us more tactical and technical versatility.

There's huge pressure for us to constantly be at 100% intensity to bludgeon teams into submission. Sometimes you need to be able to relax, and just try and let your technique and quality shine through. We just can't do that with our 'energy' midfield of Gini, Fabinho, Henderson.

The added advantage of the double pivot is that the 4-2-3-1 becomes viable for the attack also. You could play Shaq on the right if needed. Salah or Brewster up top, and any one of Firmino, Minamino and Jones in the no. 10 / free role.

Lol what you on about ? We won the league arguably at a canter, WITHOUT playing heavy metal football every week. Make no mistake about it. I would even argue that we looked meh in many games. 100% intensity ? Pressure ? Lol

Klopp and team are lightyears ahead of you chalkboard fans.

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Talks with Klopp after the Communit Shield on whether he'll stay or go out on loan.

I'm quite clear about this - he's ready to contribute, and our attack needs freshening up. I don't think we have much to gain by sending him out, and keeping Origi.
As long as you’re clear.
 
Not angry. Not interested in wasting my time with foolish posts.

How is that foolish ? You know that’s the truth.

Just cos you post and discuss whiteboard tactics frequently on a forum don’t make you anymore knowledgeable than a moneyball genius.

Did you really think that Klopp and team only know how to play one way ? You gotta be kidding me.

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Exactly what I'm thinking. Hendo doesn't seem cut out for the double-pivot and Gini probably could do it, but only alongside a more creative partner like Thiago.

There is another aspect to this – this article details how our front 3 has less of the ball and less of a statistically measurable attacking impact season after season (maybe @737Max can post a free version for us non-subscribers?), which they explain in various ways, but perhaps the simplest explanation is that their impact is gradually getting blunted. So particularly against deep-defending teams, perhaps it's time to think about adding an extra attacker to consistently break through. Take the example of Bayern Munich – they play with two wing-forwards who like to stay narrow much like Salah and Mane, but they also have a "real" #9 and a #10/second striker in Mueller. At least for Germany, the double-pivot in midfield is usually enough to maintain balance (might be more tricky in the EPL) and Goretzka often joins the attack as almost an additional striker as well.

So if we switch to something like 4-2-3-1, it would be less of a classic, defensive interpretation of that shape – wingers who track back and a #10 who joins the 2 midfielders as needed, leaving the striker alone up top, but something closer to Bayern's, playing basically with 4 forwards, supported by 2 creative midfielders and attacking full-backs as well. That requires superb fitness, quick and physically dominant defenders not afraid of playing a high line and a great GK capable of dealing with the inevitable couple of defensive breakdowns per game – but we have all that and are arguably more solid at the back than Bayern.

4-2-3-1:

------------------Firmino/Brewster----------------------
Mane/Sarr---Minamino/Jones---Salah/Shaqiri
----------Thiago/Keita----Fabs/Gini-----------------

Any time you need more midfield solidity and strength, substitute Minamino/Jones for Hendo/Milner as one of the 3 midfielders.
It's in the Athletic thread mate
 
It’s class from Jones, but the fact there are no handshakes allowed yet kissing isn’t frowned upon is really weird.
Ahem...
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Aston Villa want to sign 20-year-old England youth international Rhian Brewster from Liverpool for £20m
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we push it through in order to bring in Thiago - it would be a disappointing trade in the long term though (in my opinion).
 
Villa would be a nice PL loan - but depends if they expect him to be a starter or a long term bet.
 
Aston Villa going for Ollie Watkins.
£28m before add ons apparently. That's a Thiago sized fee there.

Sheffield United best hope for our Brewster now I imagine...
 
Something else today in the papers about possible sale with buy back clause.
Guess this summers spending outlay of 12m has to be balanced somehow. It’s real pity and hope not.
 
Something else today in the papers about possible sale with buy back clause.
Guess this summers spending outlay of 12m has to be balanced somehow. It’s real pity and hope not.

It's already practically zero. We bought Tsimikas for what we sold Lovren for. Probably saving a fair whack on wages there, too.
 
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