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Woland said:
Sacking is just a thing now.

The last two seasons the previous season's league winning manager has been sacked during the next season. Conte looks likley to make it three in a row any time soon. We sacked Brodge the season after coming very close. Most stats point to it being counter productive, but the kinda psychopaths who have made enough money to own footy clubs are usually pretty impulsive.
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Brodge was Sacked the season after that, though he should have gone after the drubbing we got from Stoke..

To give him the summer to sort things out was nothing short of madness.

Would of been interesting if we had brought Klopp in earlier, when we should have done..

Klopp would have had a pre season under his belt..

Still we are making progress now, thats all that matters..
 
Fabio said:
As sick as I am of teams set up that way, I'm also sick of our inability to break them down, especially when compared to.other members of the top 6. We often struggle against those sides when a city or Chelsea seem to manage to breakthrough

Another point.

Sometimes those teams that play so deep are the unwilling recipients of magic. As frustrating as they can be to watch, the moment of breaking them down is unbridled joy.

Southampton weren't playing properly deep, but teams who sit back tend to need a moment like firminos pass to break down. Those are the moments cult heroes are born.
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Well United, Arsenal and Chelsea too all seem to have that issue, in fact I'd say we may even be rather better than them of late, not so early season. City are City so no surprise there with that wealth of talent and Spurs have Kane who is probably the perfect weapon against defences of that ilk.
 
Looking at our season so far, it is our home form that is letting us down..

We need to be more ruthless at home..

We currently have the 2nd best away record in the League.. Whilst our home form is the 5th best... with the likes of City (obviously) UTD, Arsenal (yes Arsenal) and Spurs ahead of us...

If it wasn't for our away form.. we wouldn't be in the Top 4...

Though the problem away from home this season, Arsenal aside.. is beating teams in the Top 6...

We have Chelsea and UTD left.. Win them and we will get Top 4
 
RedNinja said:
Looking at our season so far, it is our home form that is letting us down..

We need to be more ruthless at home..

We currently have the 2nd best away record in the League.. Whilst our home form is the 5th best... with the likes of City (obviously) UTD, Arsenal (yes Arsenal) and Spurs ahead of us...

If it wasn't for our away form.. we wouldn't be in the Top 4...
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And if my Uncle was a woman ... and if our home form was better we'd be well clear in second !
 
Frogfish said:
And if my Uncle was a woman ... and if our home form was better we'd be well clear in second !
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I think part of my point is.. If you want to win titles or compete.. you need a near perfect home form...

This is something we have to get right for next season to continue to compete..

7 wins and 6 draws at home in the League with 13 games played is just not good enough...

Ideally we need look at not dropping any more points at home for the remainder of the season if we want to finish 2nd..
 
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gkmacca said:
There's nothing wrong about a lower league team playing so deep and negatively against a top team in the cup. I always find that fascinating, if they keep it up, because there's a logic there and it's a genuine battle.
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Gkmacca after our FA cup game against lower-league Plymouth:

"apparently, according to the Plymouth manager, our players faced 'one of the greatest defensive displays ever seen at Anfield' - which, given it was mainly just two rows of four cloggers parked in front of their area, must mean it's right up there with the glorious and historic efforts of any number of Sam Allardyce sides, Jim Smith sides and innumerable other neanderthal bus parkers. So that's all right then."

Yeah.
 
RedNinja said:
I think part of my point is.. If you want to win titles or compete.. you need a near perfect home form...

This is something we have to get right for next season to continue to compete..

7 wins and 6 draws at home in the League with 13 games played is just not good enough...

Ideally we need look at not dropping any more points at home for the remainder of the season if we want to finish 2nd..
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Theoretically we should do just that. West Ham, Newcastle, Watford, Bournemouth, Stoke & Brighton.

CL /Injuries may have some say in the matter but I feel a lot more confident with VvD at the back now.
 
It's not just the Premiership
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refugee said:
It's not just the Premiership
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Who thinks it is just the Premiership?

Spain is always Real or Barca. Germany is even worse, with Bayern operating a one-club monopoly.
Serie A has been won by Juventus for the last six years in a row, and before that Inter won it 5 years in a row.
 
When you look at those figures it's nuts that Getafe can get a point at Barca. It's like me drawing with Lewis Hamilton in his Merc F1 with me in a 2006 Vauxhall Astra.

And yes, this is another sly dig at Coutinho, who cost 14 times more than Getafe's entire side, getting hooked on 60 because he was shit.
 
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Frogfish said:
Theoretically we should do just that. West Ham, Newcastle, Watford, Bournemouth, Stoke & Brighton.

CL /Injuries may have some say in the matter but I feel a lot more confident with VvD at the back now.
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Theoretically yes..

But given we have dropped points against similar opposition already this season it does not bode well..

I'm hoping the inclusion of VVD and the current Form of Salah and Frim can make that difference
 
Hansern said:
The bottom 3 has Stoke AND WBA in it at this moment of time. Life cant be that good to us that both of those clubs could go down, surely??
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I'm not that bothered about Stoke now that Hughes/ Pulis aren't there, but it would be funny to see WBA and Palace go down.

Sadly, I fear West Ham are now safe under Moyes, and Allardyce seems to have done enough to keep The Bitters out of any real trouble.
 
Regarding players from those bottom 14. I know Modo has been banging on about him for a while, but Lascelles was very impressive yesterday.
24 years old, 192 cm and composed on the ball. Seems like a leader and also a non nonsense defender.
Plays RCB, and it could be interesting to see him and Virgil as a CB pairing.
 
Is West Brom even a place? In my mind it's like that mythical elephant's graveyard, except for football.

And Crystal Palace can fuck off. Lending their ground to Charlton - who does that? And then some of their fans having the cheek to kick off on me for being in their end during a second division game between them and City. Like as if I'd be supporting City with my accent, I was just doing a contract round the corner and you could pay into the quarter filled shitheap on the night and I had fuck all else to do. It was 3-3 as I recall but I was treated like that monkey in Hartlepool.
 
Hansern said:
Regarding players from those bottom 14. I know Modo has been banging on about him for a while, but Lascelles was very impressive yesterday.
24 years old, 192 cm and composed on the ball. Seems like a leader and also a non nonsense defender.
Plays RCB, and it could be interesting to see him and Virgil as a CB pairing.
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Ahem, I've been banging that drum for a long time as well, in fact he was on my £150m wishlist in this thread :

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/realistic-summer-wishlist.98249/#post-1546247

Shame about Joe Hart mind you, what the fuck was I thinking?
 
Selhurst Park recorded the lowest attendance for a Premier League game - 3,039 during Wimbledon v. Everton on 26 January 1993.

I fucking hate Selhurst Park, from my first visit on the opening day of the 87/88 season (I think) when the police forced us into the pen at midday in the baking heat, so we were all sunburned and dehydrated by the time the match started, to the fact that they whore the place out to any cunt bankrupt club within 50 miles, to the fact that it's a massive shithole in the middle of an even bigger one.
 
Woland said:
Selhurst Park recorded the lowest attendance for a Premier League game - 3,039 during Wimbledon v. Everton on 26 January 1993.

I fucking hate Selhurst Park, from my first visit on the opening day of the 87/88 season (I think) when the police forced us into the pen at midday in the baking heat, so we were all sunburned and dehydrated by the time the match started, to the fact that they whore the place out to any cunt bankrupt club within 50 miles, to the fact that it's a massive shithole in the middle of an even bigger one.
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I've been to Selhurt Park three times, I think. Which seems a lot, especially considering I can't remember ever seeing us win a match there.
 
We defo won that one on the first day of the season. Rush or Aldridge scored a hattrick. Someone with a moustache and a pair of shorts barely concealing their balls did anyways.
 
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Woland said:
We defo won that one on the first day of the season. Rush or Aldridge scored a hattrick. Someone with a moustache and a pair of shorts barely concealing their balls did anyways.
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First game of 1987/88 season was Arsenal away.

I remember it because that's the "Barnes/ Beardsley/ Aldridge" season, and in the first game Steve Nicol scored a header from 20 yards out. It was fucking ridiculous.
 
manwithnoname said:
It's no coincidence that whenever a small-medium-sized team starts getting ideas above their station and sack the incumbent, with loud rallying cries about "changing their style" and "more progressive, open, front-foot football (insert your own cliche here)", that new manager is always sacked and they get relegated. Or nearly relegated.

Newcastle with Pardew
Crystal Palace. Again with Pardew.
Stoke with Hughes.
West Ham with Bilic
West Brom with anyone. And Pardew.
Southampton with everyone after Koeman.
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I remember Charlton was the first team I saw this with and Curbishly.
 
Oncy said:
Has there ever been a worse premier league table than this years.

There are so many bang average non descript teams playing in the league, the gulf between top 6 and the rest is massive.
Arsenal are doing their best to bridge it of course but in reality, 7th place is almost a point a game team with negative goal difference.

Brighton, Stoke, Watford, Huddersfield, Burnley, Bournemouth, Palace, Swansea, West Brom.......what a shit bunch of names that evoke next to fuck all in the way of history, rivalry, fear, theatre etc.

I know some will win here or there and play some nice football, but has there ever been a more damning indictment of the money gulf in our league.

It's as close as it's ever been to a lock in.
6 teams vying for top 4
Literally every other team is relegation fodder. Even the usual mid tier Everton, Stoke, West Ham, Leicester, Southampton etc are all in the same shitty boat.

Think we've broke the league guys.
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A few years ago, we were close to being "the usual mid tier." Spurs to some extent too; some of this gulf between the top 6 and the rest is due to those top 6 making some progress. The year Leicester won the league every top club has been dreadful (bar Arsenal, who managed to lose the race anyway); now the top 6 is far stronger and probably collectively the strongest of any other league.

I do wish that the likes of Leicester, Saints, potentially Newcastle and even Everton etc were able to develop some consistency and a unique style, the PL would have been richer for it. At the moment the gulf between top 6 and the rest seems like a perfect metaphor for what's going on in the rest of society.
 
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