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The reaction to the latest loss before the wisconsin supreme court, which should not surprise anyone here although it will.

[article]Elections have consequences. One candidate wins and the other loses, but in every case, it is critical that the public perceive that the election was fairly conducted. A significant portion of the public does not believe that the November 3, 2020, presidential election was fairly conducted. Once again, four justices on the court cannot be bothered with addressing what the statutes require to assure that absentee ballots are lawfully cast. The justices do not bother addressing what the boards of canvassers did or should have done, and instead, they throw the cloak of laches over numerous problems that will be repeated again and again, until the court has the courage to correct them. The electorate expects more.[/article]

If it was such a problem - why weren’t court cases brought before the election to challenge the rules and why is it only an issue in specific precincts that Trump lost.

Trump is great at flinging mud - that’s what he does.

End of the day- if he hadn’t made such a pigs arse of the last 4 years - he’d have been re-elected.

Just because his fan base aren’t getting what they want - and are being snowflakes about it, stamping their feet and crying like toddlers- doesn’t mean they should get what they want.
 
If it was such a problem - why weren’t court cases brought before the election to challenge the rules and why is it only an issue in specific precincts that Trump lost.

Trump is great at flinging mud - that’s what he does.

End of the day- if he hadn’t made such a pigs arse of the last 4 years - he’d have been re-elected.

Just because his fan base aren’t getting what they want - and are being snowflakes about it, stamping their feet and crying like toddlers- doesn’t mean they should get what they want.
That's not a nice way to talk about Dantes.
 
If it was such a problem - why weren’t court cases brought before the election to challenge the rules and why is it only an issue in specific precincts that Trump lost.

Trump is great at flinging mud - that’s what he does.

End of the day- if he hadn’t made such a pigs arse of the last 4 years - he’d have been re-elected.

Just because his fan base aren’t getting what they want - and are being snowflakes about it, stamping their feet and crying like toddlers- doesn’t mean they should get what they want.

You need to understand the doctrine of laches which you can do by reading some more excerpts of the dissenting opinions of the three justices https://electioncases.osu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Trump-v-Biden-WI-SC-Opinions.pdf

[article]This case presents not just a "desire" for clarity in the law, our constitutional duty requires us to declare what the law is. Quite obviously, defaulting to laches and claiming that it is "just not possible," is directly contradicted by the majority author's own undertaking. If it is important enough to address in his concurrence, then it should also satisfy the discretionary standard which overcomes the application of laches. Instead of undertaking the duty to decide novel legal issues presented, this court shirks its institutional responsibility to the public and instead falls back on a self-prescribed, previously unknown standard it calls laches.

Stated differently, the majority claims the petitioners were too late, should have acted earlier and therefore, the court is neutered from being able to declare what the law is. The majority basically reiterates respondents' soundbites. In so doing, the majority seems to create a new bright-line rule that the candidates and voters are without recourse and without any notice should the court decide to later conjure up an artificial deadline concluding that it prefers that something would have been done earlier. That has never been the law, and it should not be today. It is a game of "gotcha." I respectfully dissent, because I would decide the issues presented and declare what the law is.

To be clear, I am not interested in a particular outcome. I am interested in the court fulfilling its constitutional responsibility. While sometimes it may be difficult to undertake analysis of hot-button legal issues——as a good number of people will be upset no matter what this court does——it is our constitutional duty. We cannot hide from our obligation under the guise of laches. I conclude that the rule of law and the equities demand that we answer these questions for not only this election, but for elections to come. I have concern over this court's pattern of indecision because that leaves no court declaring what Wisconsin election law is.

In other words, contrary to the majority's characterizations, this case is not about general election procedure: it is about challenging specific ballots. In Wisconsin, while voting is a right, absentee voting is a privilege, not a right. Wis. Stat. § 6.84(1). The Wisconsin Legislature has created a set of mandatory rules to which the voters must adhere for their absentee ballots to count. Consistent with express mandatory rules, the petitioners allege that certain ballots were cast that did not adhere to the law and, therefore, should not be counted. It is a specific question: Were the ballots cast according to the law as stated in the statutes and if not, what, if any, remedy, exists? With this proper framing of the issue, it is clear that the petitioners did not unreasonably delay in challenging the ballots. To somehow require that challenges must be made and legal relief given before an election, before the ballots are cast and before a recount is absurd. No recount would ever amount to relief if that is the lodestar.

The majority summarily accepts, without any analysis, that "[t]he respondents all . . . were unaware that the Campaign would challenge various election procedures after the election . . . .". Virtually nothing is in the record to support this assertion other than the parties' statements. In other words, the majority accepts one side's statements as fact in order to disallow the other side its day in court. As explained above, this is a challenge to the ballots cast in this election. The President tweeted numerous times shortly after Wisconsin announced the election results that he would challenge the results and prove certain ballots were impermissibly cast. The majority chose to accept the respondents' assertion that they did not see this lawsuit coming despite the record to the contrary.

It is unusual to conclude that overwhelming prejudice exists such that the court is paralyzed from considering whether the law was followed. In other words, the majority seems to be saying that they do not wish to grant relief and therefore they will not analyze the law. This remedy-focused analysis is not typical to laches.

Under the majority's new rule, a candidate will have to monitor all election-related guidance, actions, and decisions of not only the Wisconsin Elections Commission, but of the 1,850 municipal clerks who administer the election at the local level. And that is just in one state! Instead of persuading the people of Wisconsin through campaigning, the candidate must expend precious resources monitoring, challenging, and litigating any potential election-related issue hoping that a court might act on an issue that may very well not be ripe. Moreover, it would be nonsensical for a candidate, or worse, a disenfranchised voter, to challenge an election law. Thus, the majority's new rule does not prevent "needless litigation"; it spawns it in the form of preventative lawsuits to address any possible infraction of our election laws. We have the opportunity to answer important legal questions now and should do so.

Similarly, the majority claims by not analyzing the law it is bolstering public confidence. I disagree. As explained, the American public has serious questions about the previous election. Instead of addressing these serious questions, the majority balks and says some other party can bring a suit at a later date. Lawsuits are expensive and time-consuming and require that the person bringing one has a claim. These issues are presented here before us today. If they are important enough to answer at a later date, they are important to answer in this pending lawsuit today.
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Or you can not bother and continue arguing with me. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
 
You need to understand the doctrine of laches which you can do by reading some more excerpts of the dissenting opinions of the three justices https://electioncases.osu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Trump-v-Biden-WI-SC-Opinions.pdf

[article]This case presents not just a "desire" for clarity in the law, our constitutional duty requires us to declare what the law is. Quite obviously, defaulting to laches and claiming that it is "just not possible," is directly contradicted by the majority author's own undertaking. If it is important enough to address in his concurrence, then it should also satisfy the discretionary standard which overcomes the application of laches. Instead of undertaking the duty to decide novel legal issues presented, this court shirks its institutional responsibility to the public and instead falls back on a self-prescribed, previously unknown standard it calls laches.

Stated differently, the majority claims the petitioners were too late, should have acted earlier and therefore, the court is neutered from being able to declare what the law is. The majority basically reiterates respondents' soundbites. In so doing, the majority seems to create a new bright-line rule that the candidates and voters are without recourse and without any notice should the court decide to later conjure up an artificial deadline concluding that it prefers that something would have been done earlier. That has never been the law, and it should not be today. It is a game of "gotcha." I respectfully dissent, because I would decide the issues presented and declare what the law is.

To be clear, I am not interested in a particular outcome. I am interested in the court fulfilling its constitutional responsibility. While sometimes it may be difficult to undertake analysis of hot-button legal issues——as a good number of people will be upset no matter what this court does——it is our constitutional duty. We cannot hide from our obligation under the guise of laches. I conclude that the rule of law and the equities demand that we answer these questions for not only this election, but for elections to come. I have concern over this court's pattern of indecision because that leaves no court declaring what Wisconsin election law is.

In other words, contrary to the majority's characterizations, this case is not about general election procedure: it is about challenging specific ballots. In Wisconsin, while voting is a right, absentee voting is a privilege, not a right. Wis. Stat. § 6.84(1). The Wisconsin Legislature has created a set of mandatory rules to which the voters must adhere for their absentee ballots to count. Consistent with express mandatory rules, the petitioners allege that certain ballots were cast that did not adhere to the law and, therefore, should not be counted. It is a specific question: Were the ballots cast according to the law as stated in the statutes and if not, what, if any, remedy, exists? With this proper framing of the issue, it is clear that the petitioners did not unreasonably delay in challenging the ballots. To somehow require that challenges must be made and legal relief given before an election, before the ballots are cast and before a recount is absurd. No recount would ever amount to relief if that is the lodestar.

The majority summarily accepts, without any analysis, that "[t]he respondents all . . . were unaware that the Campaign would challenge various election procedures after the election . . . .". Virtually nothing is in the record to support this assertion other than the parties' statements. In other words, the majority accepts one side's statements as fact in order to disallow the other side its day in court. As explained above, this is a challenge to the ballots cast in this election. The President tweeted numerous times shortly after Wisconsin announced the election results that he would challenge the results and prove certain ballots were impermissibly cast. The majority chose to accept the respondents' assertion that they did not see this lawsuit coming despite the record to the contrary.

It is unusual to conclude that overwhelming prejudice exists such that the court is paralyzed from considering whether the law was followed. In other words, the majority seems to be saying that they do not wish to grant relief and therefore they will not analyze the law. This remedy-focused analysis is not typical to laches.

Under the majority's new rule, a candidate will have to monitor all election-related guidance, actions, and decisions of not only the Wisconsin Elections Commission, but of the 1,850 municipal clerks who administer the election at the local level. And that is just in one state! Instead of persuading the people of Wisconsin through campaigning, the candidate must expend precious resources monitoring, challenging, and litigating any potential election-related issue hoping that a court might act on an issue that may very well not be ripe. Moreover, it would be nonsensical for a candidate, or worse, a disenfranchised voter, to challenge an election law. Thus, the majority's new rule does not prevent "needless litigation"; it spawns it in the form of preventative lawsuits to address any possible infraction of our election laws. We have the opportunity to answer important legal questions now and should do so.

Similarly, the majority claims by not analyzing the law it is bolstering public confidence. I disagree. As explained, the American public has serious questions about the previous election. Instead of addressing these serious questions, the majority balks and says some other party can bring a suit at a later date. Lawsuits are expensive and time-consuming and require that the person bringing one has a claim. These issues are presented here before us today. If they are important enough to answer at a later date, they are important to answer in this pending lawsuit today.
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Or you can not bother and continue arguing with me. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


Congratulations - you’ve reached the anger phase of your grief cycle.

Not long now till you reach the acceptance phase and then you can get back to maiming small mammals and dreaming of getting laid for the first time.

Unfortunately a majority of the conservative leaning court didn’t agree. You’ll get Over it soon.

Thoughts and prayers for your difficult time.
 
Congratulations - you’ve reached the anger phase of your grief cycle.

Not long now till you reach the acceptance phase and then you can get back to maiming small mammals and dreaming of getting laid for the first time.

Unfortunately a majority of the conservative leaning court didn’t agree. You’ll get Over it soon.

Thoughts and prayers for your difficult time.

Don't know why I bothered.
 
Neither do I.

Well you're the one who asked why court cases weren't brought earlier. The answer is there in bold. For some reason you ignored it then pretend that you wasted your time.

Next time don't pose any questions, which incorrectly suggest you are interested, and nobody will waste your time.
 
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And so Dantes is wrong about every single thing, and every single prediction. Let that sink in.

Every. Single. One.

To the surprise of absolutely no-one with at least 1/4 of a functional brain. Dantes - I think that this is the only piece of data /evidence you need reflect upon - since it's the only one for which we all have any evidence.
 
Well you're the one who asked why court cases weren't brought earlier. The answer is there in bold. For some reason you ignored it then pretend that you wasted your time.

Next time don't pose any questions, which incorrectly suggest you are interested, and nobody will waste your time.

Oh I am I interested. But I do enjoy winding you up a little also. Still love you though.

However, what you posted are the thoughts of one of the three judges who supported the claim - so it’s their opinion as to why the case shouldn’t have been thrown - and you haven’t included the reason why the other 4 judges that disagreed.

So are you arguing a statement of opinion as fact?

Anyway - they argued on 4 points.

1. To strike all ballots out that voters claimed indefinitely confined status - this was thrown out as being without merit.

The next three are the laches related ones.

2. To strike out all in-person absentee ballots because the form used didn’t constitute a “written application”.

The form has been used since 2010... so... bullshit argument 10 years after the form was created because boo-hoo we lost.

3. Municipal officials improperly added info on absentee votes

The guidance followed was introduced in the 2016 election - so why wasn’t it challenged then.... ohhh yeah... Trump won the State in that one- so it was fine then.

Why wasn’t it challenged in the districts Trump won - the guidance was applied statewide?

4. Ballots cast at Democracy in the Park should be struck off.

The event was held late Sept / early Oct - a complaint was made then about the legality of the event, reasons were publicised as to why that complaint was not upheld and why the event fulfilled the legal criteria to go ahead - the Trump campaign didn’t challenge at the time - and waited until after the election result to bring it up.

Again - boo hoo, we lost. Ample time to address these issues in advance - or simply campaign better and win votes rather than suppress the rights of people to vote - just because they’re not voting for you.

I’m sure you’ve read sure and read the reasons around prejudice, etc as to why these complaints were also dismissed.

So - turns out that there was ample time to complain in advance about all these issues - and the Trump campaign chose to wait until they’d lost and then only complain in very specific areas where they lost big.

When I say - I’m not sure why you bothered - it’s because I’m not sure why you think talking out your arse and picking up selective comments that the majority of judges involved in the decision didn’t agree with - is worth the effort - because given the detail included in the document- it sounds like a desperate little Trump poodle clinging to whatever narrative they can to prove... nothing, I’d expect.

I bet you’re a lousy fucking softball player too....
 
Oh I am I interested. But I do enjoy winding you up a little also. Still love you though.

However, what you posted are the thoughts of one of the three judges who supported the claim - so it’s their opinion as to why the case shouldn’t have been thrown - and you haven’t included the reason why the other 4 judges that disagreed.

So are you arguing a statement of opinion as fact?

Anyway - they argued on 4 points.

1. To strike all ballots out that voters claimed indefinitely confined status - this was thrown out as being without merit.

The next three are the laches related ones.

2. To strike out all in-person absentee ballots because the form used didn’t constitute a “written application”.

The form has been used since 2010... so... bullshit argument 10 years after the form was created because boo-hoo we lost.

3. Municipal officials improperly added info on absentee votes

The guidance followed was introduced in the 2016 election - so why wasn’t it challenged then.... ohhh yeah... Trump won the State in that one- so it was fine then.

Why wasn’t it challenged in the districts Trump won - the guidance was applied statewide?

4. Ballots cast at Democracy in the Park should be struck off.

The event was held late Sept / early Oct - a complaint was made then about the legality of the event, reasons were publicised as to why that complaint was not upheld and why the event fulfilled the legal criteria to go ahead - the Trump campaign didn’t challenge at the time - and waited until after the election result to bring it up.

Again - boo hoo, we lost. Ample time to address these issues in advance - or simply campaign better and win votes rather than suppress the rights of people to vote - just because they’re not voting for you.

I’m sure you’ve read sure and read the reasons around prejudice, etc as to why these complaints were also dismissed.

So - turns out that there was ample time to complain in advance about all these issues - and the Trump campaign chose to wait until they’d lost and then only complain in very specific areas where they lost big.

When I say - I’m not sure why you bothered - it’s because I’m not sure why you think talking out your arse and picking up selective comments that the majority of judges involved in the decision didn’t agree with - is worth the effort - because given the detail included in the document- it sounds like a desperate little Trump poodle clinging to whatever narrative they can to prove... nothing, I’d expect.

I bet you’re a lousy fucking softball player too....

You weren't asking for a case summary. The answer to your question is that based on the law up to the day of the election, had you sued the 1800 odd clerks beforehand your claim would be dismissed for not being ripe, and had you sued afterwards it would not be dismissed by laches.

So that's the answer to your question why nobody sued earlier. The dissenting judges analysed the doctrine of lachess. The consenting judges did not. I copy pasted the analysis and left out the case summary that you can go ahead and be interested over by yourself.
 
You weren't asking for a case summary. The answer to your question is that based on the law up to the day of the election, had you sued the 1800 odd clerks beforehand your claim would be dismissed for not being ripe, and had you sued afterwards it would not be dismissed by laches.

So that's the answer to your question why nobody sued earlier. The dissenting judges analysed the doctrine of lachess. The consenting judges did not. I copy pasted the analysis and left out the case summary that you can go ahead and be interested over by yourself.

You’re still a lousy fucking softball player Jack...
 
And so Dantes is wrong about every single thing, and every single prediction. Let that sink in.

Every. Single. One.

To the surprise of absolutely no-one with at least 1/4 of a functional brain. Dantes - I think that this is the only piece of data /evidence you need reflect upon - since it's the only one for which we all have any evidence.

i beleive the correct term is ethidence.
 
So you don't dispute the fact that you have been 100% wrong, 100% of the time then. That's good - we're on the same page at last.
 
So you don't dispute the fact that you have been 100% wrong, 100% of the time then. That's good - we're on the same page at last.

No, I had no inclination to dispute anything with you, but you keep mentioning me so I was thinking I should reply something at least to be polite, that's all.
 
What position did Hunter Biden get elected to and where was he campaigning?

I would have thought you'd have copped on that when you and the gang of retards were blathering on about how this laptop didn't exist and the story was all russian interference it turns out (as was obvious to anyone with basic comprehension skills) that you were falling for complete and utter horseshit peddled by media outlets.

Now myself and mad professor could see this a mile off, but obviously we're unhinged and nutty. How is it only we can spot the truth in a story and you get fooled ?
 
If knowing that Biden jnr has abused his position is your big win from all these zillions of posts then good luck with the rest of your thoughts.
 
I would have thought you'd have copped on that when you and the gang of retards were blathering on about how this laptop didn't exist and the story was all russian interference it turns out (as was obvious to anyone with basic comprehension skills) that you were falling for complete and utter horseshit peddled by media outlets.

Now myself and mad professor could see this a mile off, but obviously we're unhinged and nutty. How is it only we can spot the truth in a story and you get fooled ?

No Ross - I don’t think I did say it was Russian interference or that the laptop didn’t exist - in fact I’m pretty sure I was certain Hunter Biden did have laptops.

What I said was - it was a blatant Trump tactic to smear an opponent during an election to gain an advantage - whether the laptop contained wasn’t important - Trump needed people to be talking about during the election - Hunter Biden, who wasn’t running in the election could be dealt with when the actual facts were disclosed - and not whatever narrative, true or untrue, Trump wanted to create.

Trumps kids are also under investigation for dodgy dealing - don’t know whether that’s true either - but they’ll be dealt with in due course if it is.

As will Trump, when he doesn’t have his Presidential privileges.

So wang on about “retards” all you like - which is rich given you seemed to have found yourself a niche by acting more retarded than anyone else on this site - which is no mean feat.
 
Trump brings a fact to the attention of the electorate = smear tactic

Biden denies it and accuses his opponent of peddling russian disinformation in order to mislead the electorate = perfectly fine
 
Trump brings a fact to the attention of the electorate = smear tactic

Biden denies it and accuses his opponent of peddling russian disinformation in order to mislead the electorate = perfectly fine

What fact are we talking about from Trump?
 
Again - what fact?

Daily Caller - founded by Tucker Carlson - I wonder what way that’ll lean, politically?
 
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