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Benteke - BOOOOOO the puns
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How many players have moved in part-ex deals in football in the past? And here we're talking about two players going the other way in one deal. Eh... nope, nah gonna happun.
Of course he didn't.
£20 plus 10 lambert or was i thinking of the price that street crawler quoted me near the ald swan on saturday night??
lol Andy Carroll hadn't averaged 1 in 2, over 3 years in the premier league when we bought him. He'd had 1 good season in the top division.
Wasn't it 6 good months in top flight?
OK. Tell me where Benteke fits into an attack alongside Sturridge, Firmino, and Coutinho.
39 goals in total from about 10ish seasons in the Premier League. Just about the "same".
The Carroll Benteke comparison is lazy mate. Your version of the best eleven if you will 😉
The trouble is if Benteke comes, I can actually see him enjoying a decent level of personal success here. His combination of physical attributes and finishing/shooting will mean he will score goals pretty much wherever he goes.
I'm convinced however that making him the centrepiece of our attack will not improve it overall from last season. It'll just render our best players (Coutinho and also Firmino I suppose now) less effective. So you'll have our entire fanbase claiming that Coutinho has regressed, and branding Firmino a failure. When in reality we should be building our attack around their strengths.
I'm convinced however that making him the centrepiece of our attack will not improve it overall from last season. It'll just render our best players (Coutinho and also Firmino I suppose now) less effective. So you'll have our entire fanbase claiming that Coutinho has regressed, and branding Firmino a failure. When in reality we should be building our attack around their strengths.
Exactly, it doesn't work. Coutinho and Firmino are both central playmakers. Sturridge and Benteke are both central strikers. What are we going to play? 4222?
Actually I think there's every point arguing Benteke's quality. It seems to me highly debatable just how good a player he is, how rounded.
Carroll had about 30 goals from his previous 60 games when we signed him. He had about 1 in 3 over his career when we signed him, roughly the same as Benteke had at the same age in the Belgian league.
It wasn't that outlandish a claim.
It wasn't that outlandish a claim.
Precisely. If I'm honest, if we signed Firmino as just another AM, I no longer particularly see the point of that signing either.
Yes. I only watched the cup final to see how he'd fare in such a game and my god, it will take a long time to erase the memory of that stinkingly awful performance from my mind. If we do get him, Rodgers had better make it clear it's HIS signing and he'll stand or fall by it, because I don't want any more re-runs of the situation in which he promptly disowns a signing after a month or two of indifferent performances.
Yeah, but most of Carroll's goals were in a lower division. Benteke has scored 49 playing for a PL side.
Benteke is clearly the superior player. I also think he'd be good value at 20+ million for the right side (Chelsea).
At the same age, they had similar stats. Benteke has gone on to be a decent player in a bad side, Carroll hasn't.
But yeah, Benteke will do well for a lot of sides, just not ours.
Its a valid question - what exactly is Rodgers thinking with this. Serious question.
My only answer is that he's realised his game plan has flaws and he's looking to bring in more pragmatism to it all? Maybe looking to do more of a Chelsea Mourinho approach in terms of attack? A battering ram keeping the centre backs busy while creative wide players buzz around which creates space for midfield runners?
Mourinho's teams are great at transition football - exploiting the opposition just after the opposition lose the ball. Which is similar to how we want to play.
I'm thinking more about the 2005 Chelsea side. Drogba (Benteke) troubling the centre backs for 90 minutes, Robben and Duff (Coutinho and Firminho) exploiting space between centre backs and full backs, and Lampard (Henderson or Milner) making late runs to use the space created.
Not necessarily saying this is the right way at all - just the only logical explanation I can think of.
My only answer is that he's realised his game plan has flaws and he's looking to bring in more pragmatism to it all? Maybe looking to do more of a Chelsea Mourinho approach in terms of attack? A battering ram keeping the centre backs busy while creative wide players buzz around which creates space for midfield runners?
Mourinho's teams are great at transition football - exploiting the opposition just after the opposition lose the ball. Which is similar to how we want to play.
I'm thinking more about the 2005 Chelsea side. Drogba (Benteke) troubling the centre backs for 90 minutes, Robben and Duff (Coutinho and Firminho) exploiting space between centre backs and full backs, and Lampard (Henderson or Milner) making late runs to use the space created.
Not necessarily saying this is the right way at all - just the only logical explanation I can think of.
I know, but in terms of the positions he will take up. Behind the striker, doing a job up top... maybe out wide. He's not like for like, but I assume he has been bought to take Sterling's place in the squad.
If that's the way we want to play then losing Sterling is a disaster and building the side around Firmino and Coutinho makes no sense. We'd need more pace and directness than we have.
Klopp preferred to play with a bigger, more physical presence up front. When he lost Lewandowski Benteke was one of the strikers he was after. According to what I've read he was also a an admirer of Hoffenheim pair Firmino and Volland.
I'll just leave that there.
Edit - anyone find it strange how Firmino just signed for us. No champions league football, could have got higher wages elsewhere - almost like Ayre mentioned a certain blond, spectacle and cap wearing German manager.
Ok I should just stop this to myself
I'll just leave that there.
Edit - anyone find it strange how Firmino just signed for us. No champions league football, could have got higher wages elsewhere - almost like Ayre mentioned a certain blond, spectacle and cap wearing German manager.
Ok I should just stop this to myself
It's possible, I guess, but it's also possible that he thought he'd get fewer games elsewhere. The Mancs wanted Ings as well by all accounts, and that was the reason given in most reports I've seen for him joining us instead.
We've done really good business so far this window.
If we don't spoil that by blowing far too much cash on an overrated striker who doesn't suit our system I'd be surprised.
If we don't spoil that by blowing far too much cash on an overrated striker who doesn't suit our system I'd be surprised.
I'd happily sign Volland rather than Benteke and play a fluid front 3 not revolving around a central striker.
