What about the same length though?
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What about the same length though?
The PL of 25 years ago was completely shit compared to today, though. That's another difficulty with these comparisons.
I'd say Owen and Trent, say, were roughly similar level talents. And Doak is easily the best since Trent, not that it's been very long. His ability to beat a man is among the best I've ever seen, and that's a huge attribute for an attacker. That alone makes him a really special prospect imo.
Yeah complete bollocks.
How is it nonsense? I agree with Peter. The way Doak moves is very teenager Owen like.
No it's definitely true. Both world class players, and destined as such from a young age.
Funny how ALL the best players in the world 25 years ago just happened to be British...
I'm not sure what you're arguing about here. Whatever it is, please stop.
Owen was never the best player in the world. The likes of Ronaldo (the real one), Zidane, Henry, Rivaldo, Batistuta etc. were well better.
But Owen was scoring regularly in the Prem and at International level at 18.
Ben Doak ran fast in a pre-season friendly.
Owen was never the best player in the world. The likes of Ronaldo (the real one), Zidane, Henry, Rivaldo, Batistuta etc. were well better.
But Owen was scoring regularly in the Prem and at International level at 18.
Ben Doak ran fast in a pre-season friendly.
The point lad is that the PL then was basically the best british players. Now it's about 1/3 of all the best players in the world, or something like that.
It's a totally different standard son. PL in 97 was probably closer to today's Championship than today's PL.
You've lost it mate. Completely.
You have resorted to personal attacks because you know I am right. You are pitiable.
It's a matter of basic logic. PL today selects from a pool of players perhaps 10x bigger than the one it had access to 25 years ago. It follows that the standard will be MUCH higher.
Fucking hell - as if this day couldn’t get any weirder… I find myself totally agreeing with @peterhague.
I'm surprised this is so controversial. When Owen came through, the Premier League was weaker.
This was still the relatively early days of Wenger. Henry wasn't even playing in England by then. It was a good few years before the Premier League started to get really top foreign players.
It was clearly easier for young British players to break through.
That is not to say that Doak is better than or on par with Owen. It's impossible really to say that yet. I would imagine though that in 1997 or 1998, Doak would have probably found it a lot easier to break into the first team than now.
This was still the relatively early days of Wenger. Henry wasn't even playing in England by then. It was a good few years before the Premier League started to get really top foreign players.
It was clearly easier for young British players to break through.
That is not to say that Doak is better than or on par with Owen. It's impossible really to say that yet. I would imagine though that in 1997 or 1998, Doak would have probably found it a lot easier to break into the first team than now.
Owen is not a crazy comparison, both have that raw pace, agility and acceleration to skip past defenders and I agree that Owen would have not got the same game time. The level of football in the PL has skyrocketed since 1997.
The sticking point is Owen had the composure and natural instinct to finish whereas the jury remains out on Doaks final ball and goal scoring.
The sticking point is Owen had the composure and natural instinct to finish whereas the jury remains out on Doaks final ball and goal scoring.
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Arf.
Let's compare notes again when Doak's played his part in another Istanbul miracle though.😎
Let's compare notes again when Doak's played his part in another Istanbul miracle though.😎
Doak is quick but Owen was freakishly quick. And as you've said had incredible composure in front of goal at such a young age.
Yeah, he was special.
He really was.
That expression on Pallister at 1:47 was priceless. "WTF just happened"
At the risk of repeating myself, the comparison with Sterling is the most valid and the comparison with Owen is not comparing like with like. Akin to Sterling, he isn't an out and out goal scorer, which was basically all Owen ever did. Owen did nothing else, and we basically created a counterpunching system to suit his strengths. Instead, Doak is someone who runs at defenders and disrupts defensive systems by getting past players. I think the valid question is whether he's going to be like an Adama Traore or a Sterling or an Arjen Robben.
Yeah, but Doak looks more technically gifted and skilled.
Not to diminish it, but Owen was all pace & finishing and he needed Heskey to do a fair bit of lifting for him.
Doak, doesn’t have the same finishing, but has the same pace and looks better at dribbling.
Or a Raheem???
This is a weird argument.
I kinda get the Owen comparison in that Doak has that capability to blitz past players and can generate excitement but it's way too early to start making judgements .
Is one as good as the other? Does Doak have goals to his game? Can he do it at the top level?
Who the fuck knows.
I kinda get the Owen comparison in that Doak has that capability to blitz past players and can generate excitement but it's way too early to start making judgements .
Is one as good as the other? Does Doak have goals to his game? Can he do it at the top level?
Who the fuck knows.
Sometimes you just know.
He's not gonna make it. Sorry.
But glad to be proven wrong.
He's not gonna make it. Sorry.
But glad to be proven wrong.
Not sure I can agree 97 prem was that bad. It’s all about relative quality I guess, United 3yrs later won the CL. Owen when he came on as 17yr old against the Dons as a sub took his chance. Don’t see that in Doak yet but players do develp differently but when he does step on a sub, he needs to take his chance as he prob won’t get many with nature of our staple of strikers.
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