How do you do it? I don't think we can have Milner and Henderson playing at the same time. I definitely think we need DM but what else?
Balancing the midfield
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I think our midfield perfectly balanced when Lucas and Can are in midfield.
A stable DM and a marauding box to box player. Obviously we can do better than Lucas.
Is there anyone better in the squad atm? Not sure, possibly Can.
What we're missing imo is the tip of the tringle.
DM------------------------------CM
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So who is Mr X?
Coutinho, Firmino, Allen, Hendo, Milner or Lallana?
Imo no one in our squad is perfectly suited for that position. Sadly Stevie G was.
I'm really hoping Firmino makes that position his. Coutinho hasn't looked that impressive when played there but there's hope there as well.
The few times I've seen Lallana play there he's done well. Especially on the counter. That's where he played for Southampton if I remember it correctly.
We didn't have Lucas last night and he has on very many occasions been well utterly shit. What about pace? There is serious lack of pace with in the team.
Yes he's slow as fuck. But with a brain, you don't need to be that quick. Just look at Xabi Alonso.
Of course he's nowhere as good.
He has the brains but he could no longer keep up physically. He could still pass but watching him labouring around trying to make tackles is as painful as it gets. It's no surprise (and surely a sign of what's to come for him) that he was ask to experiment playing centre back. He can no longer cut it in our fast paced midfield.
Lucas is our most physical player. He is also our best ball playing central defender but as already been mentioned, he isn't that quick.
To say that he can't tackle is just laughable. He is the player the last decade that made the most tackles in the PL. He is a very limited player and don't fit Klopp Gegenpressing style of football.
To say that he can't keep up physically is also laughable. Can is a much more complete player and that is the reason that he plays. In our own half Lucas is our best player but gegenpressing means that the whole team must add someting in the attacking half. Even the keeper that need to start up the attacks quickly.
Lucas adds nothing in the attacking half. He makes some fantastic passes but that isn't enough. Allen is a more complete player than Lucas. You must be very good in defence and attack or else you will soon find yourself benched or sold.
To say that he can't tackle is just laughable. He is the player the last decade that made the most tackles in the PL. He is a very limited player and don't fit Klopp Gegenpressing style of football.
To say that he can't keep up physically is also laughable. Can is a much more complete player and that is the reason that he plays. In our own half Lucas is our best player but gegenpressing means that the whole team must add someting in the attacking half. Even the keeper that need to start up the attacks quickly.
Lucas adds nothing in the attacking half. He makes some fantastic passes but that isn't enough. Allen is a more complete player than Lucas. You must be very good in defence and attack or else you will soon find yourself benched or sold.
Look at the players that we have already signed and the ones we are linked with. Almost all of them are very good in attack and defense.
Klopp want a midfield that will run, run and run a bit more. He want all our midfielders to be able to help out in attack and defense. He want a very physical midfield. He want a midfield that will dominate the games.
Lucas may be sold but I doubt that because Klopp need to keep a couple of players that know what this club is all about and played for us a long time. I can see Lucas staying one more season and then leave. Klopp need players like him in the dressing room his first full season with us. He can't do all himself. No manager can do that.
Football is and always will be a team game. You need players that accept being benched and don't play that much.
Klopp want a midfield that will run, run and run a bit more. He want all our midfielders to be able to help out in attack and defense. He want a very physical midfield. He want a midfield that will dominate the games.
Lucas may be sold but I doubt that because Klopp need to keep a couple of players that know what this club is all about and played for us a long time. I can see Lucas staying one more season and then leave. Klopp need players like him in the dressing room his first full season with us. He can't do all himself. No manager can do that.
Football is and always will be a team game. You need players that accept being benched and don't play that much.
It's turned that way, but you can change that and talk about Henderson
Lucas is a part of our midfield and this is a thread about our midfield. I discussed other players in our midfield and what type of midfield Klopp want, but why care about that eh.
This isn't a Lucas thread but some shitheads want to make it look it is. I don't. It is a thread about our midfield. Please don't make up lies about our players. To say that the player that made most tackles the last decade and still do a lot of tackles isn't physical enough is a lie, it isn't even an opionion, it is a lie.
Maybe you should create a thread about our attack but the rule is that you can't mention one player even that he is a part of our attack. For example Sturridge. Please create a thread but you are not allowed to discuss Sturridge.
Yeah, it is silly, very silly indeed and it is also childish but the rules in this thread seems to be exactly that. Discuss the midfield but don't mention one part of it.
Fuck off.
This isn't a Lucas thread but some shitheads want to make it look it is. I don't. It is a thread about our midfield. Please don't make up lies about our players. To say that the player that made most tackles the last decade and still do a lot of tackles isn't physical enough is a lie, it isn't even an opionion, it is a lie.
Maybe you should create a thread about our attack but the rule is that you can't mention one player even that he is a part of our attack. For example Sturridge. Please create a thread but you are not allowed to discuss Sturridge.
Yeah, it is silly, very silly indeed and it is also childish but the rules in this thread seems to be exactly that. Discuss the midfield but don't mention one part of it.
Fuck off.
If we have a pure DM then he will give away a few freekicks close to our box. You know that. If you break up the play as often as a pure DM do then he wilk give away freekicks. If you read some of the comments then a pure DM is a no go because of that reason. I would say that they don't have a clue what job a DM do. They don't even understand the difference between a CM and a DM. It is as big difference between a DM and CM as it is between a CM and a AM for example. Different positions means that you need different players.
To protect the back four is a part of the job for a DM. A pure DM will almost never move into the attacking half. His job is to break up play, make tackles and play safe, not long balls. Short safe passes is a part of the job. To win the ball back is a part of the job.
Can was excellent against Villareal and of the reasons was that he hold his position. He didn't made many runs into the attacking half. He did the job a DM must do and didn't act as a CM. He played the safe game. That allowed our attacking players to attack more. The hole behind the central midfield didn't exist because Can played it safe and didn't leave his position.
Can, Coutinho are the only two I care about currently.
The rest you can give or take
The rest you can give or take
The funny thing is that the ones that say that Lucas is shit want a more physical midfielder. I don't have a clue how a very physical midfield player won't give away freekicks.
I always mention the strenghts and weaknesses of Lucas. The ones that say that he is shit almost never explain why. They say that he shit, explain why please.
Evidence that he is shit thank you. Don't just say it, evidence please. If you say that a player is good or bad, then explain why, with evidence. I do that. I post a lot of links as evidence.
I always mention the strenghts and weaknesses of Lucas. The ones that say that he is shit almost never explain why. They say that he shit, explain why please.
Evidence that he is shit thank you. Don't just say it, evidence please. If you say that a player is good or bad, then explain why, with evidence. I do that. I post a lot of links as evidence.
Mascherano that is probably the best defensive player in the world give away a lot of freekicks. It is ok for a defensive player to do that as long as he don't get sent off or give away penalties. If you give away a freekick then you will get time to organize the defense. It is much more difficult to score from a set piece than open play.
A part of gegenpressing is to break up the play and give away a freekick. Then you won't get quick counter attacks against you. A part of titi taka is to give away freekicks for the same reason. A couple of examples. It is better to give away the freekick than to let them attack with pace.
A part of gegenpressing is to break up the play and give away a freekick. Then you won't get quick counter attacks against you. A part of titi taka is to give away freekicks for the same reason. A couple of examples. It is better to give away the freekick than to let them attack with pace.
Another very childish post that add nothing to the discussion.
Yeah. Don't know why you put up with it Arn. See ya later
Milner should play out wide, he is one of our most complete players and make excellent crosses. It would also allow one of our fullbacks to attack more.
Another childish post that add nothing to the discussion. It is against the rules but who gives a fuck. It is posts like this that destroy threads.
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