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A player like Bellingham wants to be winning multiple CL and league titles.
Are we spending 150m on Bellingham?
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A player like Bellingham wants to be winning multiple CL and league titles.
Past the point of caring if we get him or not.
Tired one day hearing Madrid are favourites, then next day we're favourites then next day Madrid favourites again.
What I'm more concerned about is how the fuck we're gonna improve the 2nd half of this season.
Tired one day hearing Madrid are favourites, then next day we're favourites then next day Madrid favourites again.
What I'm more concerned about is how the fuck we're gonna improve the 2nd half of this season.
The only outlets peddling the line that "Madrid are favourites" are Madrid's own tame mouthpieces in Spain.
He could see how he is effectively having unrealistic expectations heaped on his shoulders, as the fanbase is half treating him like the second coming. It's telegraphed move to fail.
If we were about to spend 400m across the park then maybe i'd agree. But we won't be. It'll be him and a shrug of the shoulders from the owners. You think he'll be happy carrying the team? I fucking wouldn't be, and i support the bastards
Then Jude is getting advised horribly.
Biased though I am, I strongly disagree. LFC is English and European football royalty, we've made it crystal clear that he'll be wanted and celebrated here, he'll be managed by Jürgen Klopp, he'll play a leading role in the new team and one single dodgy half-season (which isn't even half over yet) changes not one bit of all that.
Based on our recent transfer activity, will Jude be given any support in changing our fortunes? I expect no, and because of that I feel like he will be first to take the ire of the fanbase when shit doesn't immediately turn around. The only difference so far seems to be is that we're willing to give his mum, dad and brother a job.
Also, Madrid are very clearly european football royalty; and we don't know how hard Madrid have pressed for him. And under Carlo it's not like he'd be playing under a shite manager. Comfortably a much more accomplished manager, with 2 other midfielders who could dominate for a decade
I dont get the need to talk down the club in regards to transfers or targets.
Getting Bellingham could be a catalyst for the next Klopp team and title charge.
Recent trophy haul and past seasons under Klopp will be what he’s looking at. I doubt anyone looks at one season or a few transfer windows in isolation.
Klopp explaining his vision, possible transfer targets and Jude’s role in the team will be equally important. His family are reds and he’s a young lad with a long career ahead of him.
Getting managed by Klopp would be a fucking dream for anyone.
Getting Bellingham could be a catalyst for the next Klopp team and title charge.
Recent trophy haul and past seasons under Klopp will be what he’s looking at. I doubt anyone looks at one season or a few transfer windows in isolation.
Klopp explaining his vision, possible transfer targets and Jude’s role in the team will be equally important. His family are reds and he’s a young lad with a long career ahead of him.
Getting managed by Klopp would be a fucking dream for anyone.
I also don't get the saying of Jude being a catalyst. He's not. We're in the midst of a massive overhaul with a shoestring budget. I whole heartedly can see that if we got him, he would be the only signing next summer. That doesn't fix our issues. Arguably it exacerbates them
With respect, I don't think that it's disrespectful or overly pessimistic to say that there are few signs that FSG will support an adequate rebuild of the club, or that Jude should tread cautiously.
He may well be our signing of the decade, i.e. our only signing of note in this decade, if he's not careful.
That said, I hope we get him and that you are right about the next Klopp team.
Its overly pessimistic to think that the level we are at now will be the new standard for Klopp and the club.
FSG wont be our sole owners for much longer either given that the club is for sale.
It all comes down to what you believe. I don't believe an investor is going to come in for a minority stake and fund a huge rebuild. I don't believe an investor is going to come in to buy us outright. Pessimistic? Arguably.
IF we have a budget of 250m for the summer, which was touted the other day; thats probably 3 signings if we include jude.
130m - Jude
60m - another mid
60m a RW or CB. Personally, i'd go for a CB but who could do a job at RB.
That is the start of a rebuild. Arguably we need a rebuild of another 150m a year later, for a RW, a DM and another CM.
I just can't see us spending 400m in 2 years to keep us near the top.
130m - Jude
60m - another mid
60m a RW or CB. Personally, i'd go for a CB but who could do a job at RB.
That is the start of a rebuild. Arguably we need a rebuild of another 150m a year later, for a RW, a DM and another CM.
I just can't see us spending 400m in 2 years to keep us near the top.
Before strengthening the defence with a considerable proportion of our budget, weprobably need to consider
- Fabinhos and Hendersons overall shitness to see if there is any hope for them. Otherwise with Keita, milner and Ox leaving, and Jones/Harvey needing to improve, 2 midfielders might not be enough.
- Likewise in attack we need to consider Jotas injuries (maybe even Diaz), if Nunez will improve, if we are keeping Bobby, if Mo is past his best etc. .
All valid. My thought process was:
1) VVD isn't as imperious, and matip is getting older. Gomez is shite and Konate might be made of glass. I'd be tempted by another CB.
2) Trent is forever under the microscope. Do we persist, or do we find other ways to utilise him. A CB who can play RB could work.
Forwards wise, Salah has passed his peak, but we still have Nunez, Gakpo and Diaz as our main front 3, as i think diaz could do ok on the right. Backs ups of Fabio, Jota and Harvey, whilst not ideal, could be serviceable for a year until more RW depth is achieved. IF thats from Doak, then wonderful
Midfield, i agree, we need open heart surgery, but if we don't spread the wealth around the whole team, we'll end up in dire straits in those areas like we did in midfield. A targeted approach to the problem area, sure. But Jude, Thiago and Stefan could do a job for a year or 2, with scope to oust Thiago in a year. A CM who could play backup to Thiago and jude is important, as Stefan, with fabs as backup (if not hendo) could manage for a year. In that time, Clarkson or morton might turn out to be capable enough understudies for a stint
Obviously, this is all my interpretation as things stand right now. IF nunez is shite, or jota and diaz never recover then priorities will shift
I completely understand the concern for the defense.
Unless we have a bunch of Matip and Milner like signings lined up, our budget is going to be spread extremely thin. I'm hoping a midfield that can run might offer a bit more protection and help them look a little like the defence of old.
Surely some of our players aren't beyond hope... My money is on VVD/trent getting some form back and hopefully that could allow us to spend the money elesewhere. Attack seems like the next best bet, whereas midfield seems like there is no hope IMHO.
Obviously VVD is still our best CB and trent i'm hoping will turn a corner. If those things come to pass, i'd be more than content to redirect the funds.
I'm sure FSG got it all worked out.
Skriniar and N'Dicka on free's. - CB's sorted.
Tielemans, Rabiot, Aouar and Kamada. - Midfield sorted.
I'd assume they have already earmarked where it's going and must have had positive responses to overtures (e.g. Bellingham - if he's a cert and the basis of the midfield for the next 10 years - why on earth would we use that cash now? Don't ask me who the other two are - I've as much idea as you do, but it's possible it's in the works.
Kamada is better than Harvey Elliott. He is over 6ft tall has 12 goals and 4 assists in 24 games.
Tielemans we all know about.
The other two I have no idea how they have been doing.
I'd take Skriniar
Besides, they are all Barca bound
Seen a few bits of him at the World Cup and in the latter stages of the Europa when Frankfurt ending up winning it.
I'm sure he can be a useful squad addition.
He's also about 7 years older and has played about 200 games.
He is available right now for say for less than £10m, would you buy him and start him ahead of Harvey?
I have the same doubt. But I think our main strategy involves purchasing Bellingham and then making additions from a group of lower priced players with the remaining money. If Bellingham does not work out, we move to another group of players. It may be Bellingham plus a couple of 40 million players, or if no Bellingham, then we move on players in the 70-100 million range.
Again, obviously just guessing, and not sure I agree with this. But I think LFC has decided that first, we resolve Bellingham, he is worth the wait and worth tanking the season. If that transfer does not happen, then we change strategy.
Waiting for two seasons to buy a player who may or may not join, at a price that has not been agreed, is a strategy that, if true, makes me very jittery.
In the meantime, other good midfield options get snapped up and our league position(and attractiveness) suffers.
I hope this gambles pays off.
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