Ace_of_Hearts said:
I don't give a flying toss if that post was made by you or anyone else. It just offended me so I felt it necessary to give my two pence on it. Ryan and VQ did but I don't see you childishly calling them 'being fixated on you' and shooting down all valid points they've made ??
Ah, the thing is Ace, apart from by original reply to AA very good post, the others have largely been somewhat flippant and not meant to be taken too seriously.
Let me re-state my position, which falls generally between the two camps.
Anfields original post was well thought out and realistic, however it has degenerated the way all these ooter threads do, into a cyber civil war.
As I said earlier on, I welcome people to my City, I will go out of the way to make visitors feel wanted and appreciated. The same , more so, applies to those from outside the city visiting Anfiled,
I was conceived here, born here, educated here, married a girl from here, brought my children up here, never felt the want or the need to move away from here, this is MY City.
The same applies to the football club.
I know fans from other cultures, and other countries in different hemispheres can and do have strong emotional ties to the club, and in some cases have been eloquently and almost movingly written about here, by Ryan , Rosco and others.
A great many of these fans are indeed better fans than some of the more casual home city supporters.
My problem is, and it has again happened in this thread, how disrespectful some people are to the the home City Liverpool fans , seemingly for having the audacity to have the club in their City, even suggesting that because we don't have to get up at 3am, or travel thousands of miles we are not of the same caliber as those in from Kuala Lumpur to New York.
Some even saying that if it was not for the income generated by these fans Liverpool would not be able to compete financially, others that if they did not go to the match there would not be full houses, as the home "fans" can't be bothered going (even though they all live around the corner). I am not about to get on my knees and than everyone for buying a replica kit, not when I could have brought a small island with the money I have spent over forty years of match-going support.
Some cheeky bastard even said that because he walks down Lord Street pissed on his way back to his hotel at 2.00am now and again he appreciates the City more than scousers.
Liverpool does need the income generated by overseas fans, just as every other successful European team does. If none of us had it the same status quo would still exist. In fact if it were not for the financial clout of the overseas fan phenomena United might not be the biggest club in the world.....your peers have a lot to answer for !!
So, as I said, welcome to one and all, I appreciate your support, and your commitment, and your shared fond memories.
However regardless of how many times you were jiggled on dads knee, or how much you remember about your first game, or how ever it was you fell in love with Liverpool, some of us have it in our blood, we may not be better supporters, but in some things in life there is a natural and inescapable reality. Liverpool FC is not some digital plaything that it matters not where it floats around , so everyone can own a piece, it is brick mortar steal and dreams and resides in Liverpool.
regards