Anfield - Too many tourists ?
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Ryan said:
It would be more than that.
Being serious, nI dont care where a person is from as long as they get involved and dont sit there looking like they are at a cricket match.
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The only time I was in the Kop the lads around me had no problem celebrating with me, even knowing I was Irish. They were delighted for me in fact.
Granted I wouldn't probably start a chant, but I'd have zero problem joining in.
There was a few scousers that gave me stick that night but it's was only lighthearted. Even if it got serious I would have no interest in arguing the issue... because it's really a non-issue in my opinion.
Granted I wouldn't probably start a chant, but I'd have zero problem joining in.
There was a few scousers that gave me stick that night but it's was only lighthearted. Even if it got serious I would have no interest in arguing the issue... because it's really a non-issue in my opinion.
leftpeg said:
both these posts are great ... well written lads, take a bow.
Ryan said:
Thanks Ryan.
This is exactly what I would have loved to say, but would never get it written in a hundred years.
My stomach is churning as I write, with nerves about tomorrow's match and thats the way I feel before every game since the FA cup final in 1965.
Yes I'd love to be there for every home match but a local can buy a season ticket for what one trip from Ireland would cost me.
I love Liverpool F.C and have done for 41 years and fuck anyone who wants to differ because I am not Scouse
Ryan said:
well said Ryan. We dont ever take it for granted. I find it really hard to get to matches. Being a student for the last four years financial constriants tied me down. I also find it hard to get tickets.
Now im finished college and working. I plan to get to a good few games a season. I'l be there taking it all in. I buy my programme, look at the echo get my taxi to the ground. walk around the city looking at everything. Its normal for people to do in a new city they aren't used to frequenting.
However if from the city and had the opportunity to go each week then id probably be agreeing with the locals as i wouldnt no any better, or how they people from over seas view going to matches. That not disrespectful, its just jealously. I want to have the opportunity to go every odd week. Anyone want to adopt a 22 year old Irish male. Only One Prior Owner!! NCT needed.
I'm from the wirral, I get more grief than ony of you further afield OOT's. My mam and dad, and my birds mam and dad are all from liverpool yet I was born on the wirral. This means I in thoery don't belong as the scousers give me grief for being a plastic scouser/wannabe/wool. I still go the match and sing and shout every other saturday and weekdays. Do I care no, do I class myself as an OOT no.
If you stop your moaning, go the match(when possible), sing and join in then there will be no issue.
People are moaning why the atmosphere is getting worse it is because people aren't singing, stop blaming each other and sing. Leave the photo taking, waving for the cameras if the ball come near all that crap until half time of after the game and fucking sing, we are the owners of the atmosphere no a fucking forum, if we go and sing then the where be no reason to complain about the atmosphere.
As for scousers teaching people the songs, fuck right off, you can learn the songs off the web. If you go the match and don't know the words, there is no point going, you should be banned. Everything is available on the web, we all have access to it- use it.
If you stop your moaning, go the match(when possible), sing and join in then there will be no issue.
People are moaning why the atmosphere is getting worse it is because people aren't singing, stop blaming each other and sing. Leave the photo taking, waving for the cameras if the ball come near all that crap until half time of after the game and fucking sing, we are the owners of the atmosphere no a fucking forum, if we go and sing then the where be no reason to complain about the atmosphere.
As for scousers teaching people the songs, fuck right off, you can learn the songs off the web. If you go the match and don't know the words, there is no point going, you should be banned. Everything is available on the web, we all have access to it- use it.
great posts lads from both sides of the fence, this is an issue that comes up every now and again and somebody will always churn out the tired old idea that the OOTers have ruined the atmosphere at anfield. I for one dont believe that ( I would Im one of them), when your average foreign or long distance fan gets a chance to see the team come out at anfield its an experience they will always remember as Ryan as highlighted, I know I will never forget my first trip to anfield. The OOTers generally couldnt get more excited especially considering they are usually attending category B matches that plenty of die hards or locals have turned there noses up at. Any time Ive been in Liverpool for a game Ive always had a great time with the locals in the pubs around the ground before the game, singing having a laugh etc. You get a bit of stick from time to time but so what, you give it back.
For me the real problem lies in the fact that fotball has been dumbed down so much that there is little understanding of the game amongst many of the younger fans where ever they come from. There is little appreciation for the finer points of the game, the tactics and the formations. I think thats the real curse of modern football and we are not exemt from it. When Keane savaged the Utd supporters a few years back he had a point, there was a time when football stadiums were packed to the rafters with rabid fans who appreciated the subtlties of the game. Football has changed its become more sterile a results business, all about highlight reels and marketable players. Every kid nowadays wants to play like that Ronaldo tosser for Utd, fine he is a talented player but he is symptomatic of the problem. The younger fans are subjected to much more media bombardment than we were growing up, like everything else in the world its been reduced from an art form to a disposable souless product. I cant believe that Arsenal fans would dare abuse their team given the way they play and how enjoyable they are to watch. But hey, they werent 3-0 up at half time so what did they expect. Its sad but its a feature of the modern game.
I expect more from football fans in generally and us reds are no exception. A return to the days of an all scouse anfield would do little to solve the problem, the game itself has become hollow when you see tossers like Mourinho and Rijkard as the pinnacle of the modern game bickering in the press and arguing with referees. The diving, the cheating the tapping up, the lack of loyaltyits reduced us all to cynics. If we expect fans to behave in the manner which they did years ago then the change has to go right through the game, players, managers, boardrooms, fans. We all have to bear some of the responsibility for what the game has become because its our game.
For me the real problem lies in the fact that fotball has been dumbed down so much that there is little understanding of the game amongst many of the younger fans where ever they come from. There is little appreciation for the finer points of the game, the tactics and the formations. I think thats the real curse of modern football and we are not exemt from it. When Keane savaged the Utd supporters a few years back he had a point, there was a time when football stadiums were packed to the rafters with rabid fans who appreciated the subtlties of the game. Football has changed its become more sterile a results business, all about highlight reels and marketable players. Every kid nowadays wants to play like that Ronaldo tosser for Utd, fine he is a talented player but he is symptomatic of the problem. The younger fans are subjected to much more media bombardment than we were growing up, like everything else in the world its been reduced from an art form to a disposable souless product. I cant believe that Arsenal fans would dare abuse their team given the way they play and how enjoyable they are to watch. But hey, they werent 3-0 up at half time so what did they expect. Its sad but its a feature of the modern game.
I expect more from football fans in generally and us reds are no exception. A return to the days of an all scouse anfield would do little to solve the problem, the game itself has become hollow when you see tossers like Mourinho and Rijkard as the pinnacle of the modern game bickering in the press and arguing with referees. The diving, the cheating the tapping up, the lack of loyaltyits reduced us all to cynics. If we expect fans to behave in the manner which they did years ago then the change has to go right through the game, players, managers, boardrooms, fans. We all have to bear some of the responsibility for what the game has become because its our game.
Ryan said:
This thread should be in the "Other Forum" now. Its that good.
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I have no time for fingerpointing twats on a guilt trip. It's simple. The atmosphere at Anfield is the responsibility of every Liverpool fan in the stadium. They are there and must make it happen. Period. The OOT story doesn't carry any weight at all.
There is an acceptable code of conduct being a Liverpool supporter from where ever. We stand out from other teams because of the way we conduct ourselves. This club is steeped in culture, tradition and values. That is the lesson that should NEVER be forgotten.
If people coming to our stadium need an education, feel obliged to give it to them. There would be no better feeling for an OOT supporter to be indoctrinated into Anfield culture by a fellow scouser. That kind of acceptance is the least I would expect from a fellow RED supporter. YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE!
For me, the camaraderie is what makes the atmosphere special regardless of where you hail from. It will also add to the experience. I think that the local supporters tend to forget that some of the OOT sometimes spend their life saving to make just one trip and that it should be something special that they remember for a life time.
I'm Catholic but my first priority would be a trip to Anfield instead of Rome.
There is an acceptable code of conduct being a Liverpool supporter from where ever. We stand out from other teams because of the way we conduct ourselves. This club is steeped in culture, tradition and values. That is the lesson that should NEVER be forgotten.
If people coming to our stadium need an education, feel obliged to give it to them. There would be no better feeling for an OOT supporter to be indoctrinated into Anfield culture by a fellow scouser. That kind of acceptance is the least I would expect from a fellow RED supporter. YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE!
For me, the camaraderie is what makes the atmosphere special regardless of where you hail from. It will also add to the experience. I think that the local supporters tend to forget that some of the OOT sometimes spend their life saving to make just one trip and that it should be something special that they remember for a life time.
I'm Catholic but my first priority would be a trip to Anfield instead of Rome.
I haven't seen it posted as yet, but is the main problem with atmostphere, not due to all seater stadiums, friends and family no longer sit together, hence its harder for the craic and the songs to get started. Plus kick off times have a big influence its hard to get going at 1230 on a Saturday morning when alot of the crowd are hungover or spent hours in airports or trains.
I think there's *some* validity to most of the arguments Jamo outlines, and indeed to most of the arguments that contradict him.
It's a really, really difficult one, but really where could you possibly draw the line?
The hardcore have to live in L4 only? Do we broaden that out to sub 10 numbers?
What about pasty-faced posh boys from Formby or The Wirral?
I think a good mix is vital, but equally vital is the proper scouse "life-blood" of The Kop.
There you go Pete, you're "vital" for once.
It's a really, really difficult one, but really where could you possibly draw the line?
The hardcore have to live in L4 only? Do we broaden that out to sub 10 numbers?
What about pasty-faced posh boys from Formby or The Wirral?
I think a good mix is vital, but equally vital is the proper scouse "life-blood" of The Kop.
There you go Pete, you're "vital" for once.
I'm an 'OOTer' who's been going to Anfield since I was 16, 24 years. I went to a few games every season up to a few years ago. I only go twice a year now because of family comittments and how expensive it has become and awkward it is now to get tickets.
Now, even though I attended some games when locals weren't bothered, it seems I'm not welcome by some local supporters.......
Now, even though I attended some games when locals weren't bothered, it seems I'm not welcome by some local supporters.......
Rosco said:
Forget about the PM, I may as well do this here. Others have done similarly and I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one who picked up on the point you made.
I don't really know if can do this justice, but I'm going to give it a go.
I'm only speaking for myself, but I can't remember a time when I wasn't a supporter of Liverpool FC. I've been brought up by a bunch of Liverpool supporters who from day one educated me on what made this club special. I didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decide "Oh I like the way them lads in red play, I think I'll support them". It's something that has been inherent in my upbringing, not in exactly the same way as Scousers because I have been slightly more detached (in the sense that I can't get to as many games) but LFC has always played a significant part in my life.
I've mentioned it once or twice before but my grandfather left Ireland to work in Liverpool as a youngster, he spent all week working and then on Saturday he always went to see a match. In the beginning he went to see whoever was playing at home, but after the first season he knew which club he wanted to support on the basis that he enojyed the football and the atmosphere more. He stood on the Kop for a number of seasons and developed a deep afinity with the club and the people. He eventually moved back to Ireland and brought up a family of LFC supporters of which I'm a member of the second generation. He basically indoctrinated me on what it meant to be a Liverpool fan, I've been told more stories than I could every hope to remember, I've seen more games than I could care to remember. When he passed away a couple of years ago, all his LFC memorabilia was passed on to me. It's a magnificent collection of programmes, pennants, books and other assorted tidbits that I keep in his memory.
When i look back on my childhood and think of some of my most vivid memories, you may be surprised, but an awful lot of them comprise of memories of watching Liverpool. As a four year old in Wembley with my Grandfather I watched Ian Rush knock in two goals in a three one FA Cup win over Everton, something I still remember to this day, it's easily the earliest LFC memory I have of my own. I know all about Brucie in Rome in '84 but I was two years old so I must remember that from it being told to me rather than actually watching it. I can tell you where I was when Michael Thomas scored that goal, where i was and who i was with when Robbie Fowler scored the hattrick against Arsenal, I remember where I watched us beat the Scum 4-0.
At a young I age I demanded that no. 7 was sewn into the back of my Crown Paints Liverpool jersey (long before it was a normal thing) because I wanted to be Kenny Dalglish. I remember meeting the Welsh team in the Killiney Castle Hotel and getting Ian Rush's autograph and the look on Neville Southall's face when I didn't ask for his.
I remember my first trip to Anfield not long after my 15th Birthday, I was sitting in the second row of the Paddock adjacent to the 18 yard box, there was nobody sitting in the seat in front of me. It was a midweek game against Leeds, we thrashed them 4-0 Fowler, Collymorex2 and Redknapp got the goals. I fondly remember the moment I stepped inside the stadium took a look around at tried to soak up as much of the atmosphere as possible. Steve McManaman landed on the seat in front of me after chasing a ball to try to keep it in (which he did) and he just looked at me and laughed I was about 6 inches away from him. I sat there completely stunned.
I haven't been to enough games for my liking since then, but I cherish every opportunity I get to go. In fact I haven't had a proper holiday in the last year or so because I've spent a lot of my spare cash on 6 trips to Anfield. The main reason being I've found a source for tickets. I've seen great games, good games and I've seen bad games. But I've loved every minute of each.
I know I've rambled a bit, but the point I was trying to make, probably a bit incoherently, was that with LFC playing such a significant a part in my upbringing I hope you might be able to understand how the club would mean as much to me as it does for you.
And surely this very site should bear testament to it too.
*wrings out sodden hanky*
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
What a daft thing to say. It's not that we're lazy or don't want to go, it's just that many of us are geographically unable to visit Anfield as much as we wished to.
Believe you me, if I lived in Liverpool, I would go to every single match...including the reserve games.
That's how much some of us love The Club.
PS : Great post btw Ryan and Rosco. Liverpool FC are proud to have you both as fans.
i honestly think that 99.9% of scousers in anfield would be thrilled to hear a southern voice really cheering us on. it's not the accent that bothers the locals, it's the fact that many of the 'foreigners' are much quieter (and not usually from shyness in my experience).
i know many people feel very strongly that out of towners contribute equally at matches (many do) but i still think they make up the majority of the silent supporters at anfield.
if you could get 40000 true scousers in anfield i'd bet any money the atmosphere would improve.
i know many people feel very strongly that out of towners contribute equally at matches (many do) but i still think they make up the majority of the silent supporters at anfield.
if you could get 40000 true scousers in anfield i'd bet any money the atmosphere would improve.
Ace_of_Hearts said:
Maybe I didn't word that correctly. I wasn't trying to make out that LFC means less to OOT's than locals just that it plays a different part in people's lives.
The fact that I started my post with the fact that I respect people who pay large amounts of money to go and see their team proves that.
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Don't try and wriggle your way out of it , you are an OOTist
regards
Rosco said:
Mmmmmmmmmm......can't hear you.......mmmmmmmmm
From The Liverpool Echo....
A disturbing new trend was seen on the streets of Merseyside on the eve of Liverpools home match against Reading.
Gangs of enraged out-of-towners, or OOTers , as they are sometimes referred to, went on the rampage, hunting down Souse Fans.
One of the OOters who did not want to be named, said to our man on the street. "We are sick to the back teeth, to be sure, of the Scouse bastards thinking that Liverpool is their club."
The gang were burning effigies of someone wearing Bedouin clothes, and a Frank Zappa mask.
In the most serious of the incidents a bus carrying Liverpool supporters who actually come from Liverpool was attacked by the mob.
Nellie Scoggins witnessed the scene.
" They came running down the road at the bus, I had been talking to the people on there who all seemed very nice, apart from an eastern gentleman with a moustache, who kept chanting "Kill the hooters, kill the hooters", or something like that, anyway the next thing all these Irish welsh, woolys and a few oriental types, oh and some Norwegians, tried getting on the bus, all hell broke loose" Nellie went on
"The funny thing was they all had lap top computers, and looked like a right shower of , oh whats that word me grandson uses for Cyril Swot types...that's it Geeks, you would not have thought they had it in em, something must have got to them"
At the scene the police collected evidence that included, shalalees, song sheets, torn out ginger hair and counterfeit football shirts thought to have originated in Malaysia, one with the name "Ong 9" on the back.
Police warned all home grown Liverpool fans to steer clear of Anfield for the next few weeks
The investigation continues
A disturbing new trend was seen on the streets of Merseyside on the eve of Liverpools home match against Reading.
Gangs of enraged out-of-towners, or OOTers , as they are sometimes referred to, went on the rampage, hunting down Souse Fans.
One of the OOters who did not want to be named, said to our man on the street. "We are sick to the back teeth, to be sure, of the Scouse bastards thinking that Liverpool is their club."
The gang were burning effigies of someone wearing Bedouin clothes, and a Frank Zappa mask.
In the most serious of the incidents a bus carrying Liverpool supporters who actually come from Liverpool was attacked by the mob.
Nellie Scoggins witnessed the scene.
" They came running down the road at the bus, I had been talking to the people on there who all seemed very nice, apart from an eastern gentleman with a moustache, who kept chanting "Kill the hooters, kill the hooters", or something like that, anyway the next thing all these Irish welsh, woolys and a few oriental types, oh and some Norwegians, tried getting on the bus, all hell broke loose" Nellie went on
"The funny thing was they all had lap top computers, and looked like a right shower of , oh whats that word me grandson uses for Cyril Swot types...that's it Geeks, you would not have thought they had it in em, something must have got to them"
At the scene the police collected evidence that included, shalalees, song sheets, torn out ginger hair and counterfeit football shirts thought to have originated in Malaysia, one with the name "Ong 9" on the back.
Police warned all home grown Liverpool fans to steer clear of Anfield for the next few weeks
The investigation continues
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