Ancelotti

[KopRed]

Properly confused who I want. Let's bring back the joint manager shite.

 

[reuque]

It was mentioned on the Anfield Index podcast that Ancelotti was offered and he was keen on the LFC manager position but the difference was he saw it more of a short term (1-2 years) thing and his family were reluctant to relocate to Liverpool with him

 

[Skullflower]

It was mentioned on the Anfield Index podcast that Ancelotti was offered and he was keen on the LFC manager position but the difference was he saw it more of a short term (1-2 years) thing and his family were reluctant to relocate to Liverpool with him

That is my main issue with him.

 

[ILD]

Ancelotti could time share with Rafa or something.

 

[Silver Sean]

I'd prefer Anchelotti myself, but looks very unlikely now. calm, a real gent, attracts world class players and proven in different leagues, including this one. But I'm gearing up to go Klopp-tastic.

 

[ILD]

I'd prefer Anchelotti myself, but looks very unlikely now. calm, a real gent, attracts world class players and proven in different leagues, including this one. But I'm gearing up to go Klopp-tastic.

It's like being at an amusement park. You just know that the Ancelotti ride is going to be solid. Everyone says it's good, it's known as one of the best rides in the park and attracts loads every summer. Klopp is that bat shit roller coaster that people are queuing up for all day. No idea how you'll fair on it but defo want a go on it. I've no idea what I'm taking about btw, I just saw an ad for Alton towers there earlier and lost the total run of myself.

 

[Modo]

I'd prefer Anchelotti myself, but looks very unlikely now. calm, a real gent, attracts world class players and proven in different leagues, including this one. But I'm gearing up to go Klopp-tastic.

Attracts world class players, while being in a world class club...yes I'm insinuating that we aren't a world class club.
Not any more.

 

[Judge Jules]

Tough to tell - like Mourinho, he's always had very good environments to work with (good squads, money etc) ... I guess until you see him try with a weaker team (in one or both areas I mentioned), it's tough to tell with him (or Mourinho).

It really isn't, Wizzy. I don't know why normally knowledgeable folks like you keep saying this. He made Reggiana a Serie A side, he made Parma a Champions League side and even Milan were mediocre when he first went there.

 

[ILD]

I think it's just that he's managed clubs of late who have $$$$. Chelsea, Real Madrid and P$G. Would he be bothered returning to more of a project role?

 

[Judge Jules]

Apparently yes, if current reports are to be believed. What seems to have got in the way (understandably, I guess, though Ancelotti's been my first choice all along) is his reported wish to sign up for only a couple of years or so, probably because his family apparently aren't keen on coming with him - though interestingly even Klopp's supposed to be coming on only a 3-year deal in the first instance.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

It really isn't, Wizzy. I don't know why normally knowledgeable folks like you keep saying this. He made Reggiana a Serie A side, he made Parma a Champions League side and even Milan were mediocre when he first went there.

Milan mediocre?

 

[Judge Jules]

When he arrived, yes. It took him 4 seasons to build up the side we beat in Istanbul.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

When he arrived, yes. It took him 4 seasons to build up the side we beat in Istanbul.

the spine was there as far as i remember ... maldini, kaka, sheva etc

 

[FoxForceFive]

Properly confused who I want. Let's bring back the joint manager shite.

It's irrelevant, cos you won't be making the choice.

They're both excellent candidates for different & varying reasons, so hopefully we'll be happy either way.

That said, it's definitely Klopp.

 

[Judge Jules]

the spine was there as far as i remember ... maldini, kaka, sheva etc

...but going nowhere fast. We don't have that level of talent in our squad, but we do have more than enough to be doing far better than we are.

 

[jimmy]

@LeTallecWiz - JJ is right. Even Hapoel TA beat them in 2002. Remeber?
He won the CL in his first full season there (2002-03)

 

[LeTallecWiz]

@LeTallecWiz - JJ is right. Even Hapoel TA beat them in 2002. Remeber?
He won the CL in his first full season there (2002-03)

and that team had (star for those who started in 2005) :

dida*
nesta*
Maldini*
Gattusso*
Pirlo*
Seerdorf*
Costa
Sheva*
Inzaghi
Ambrosini

That's not a spine? 🙂

 

[Leo]

He also had the vision to make Pirlo a dm.
I'd be happy with Klopp but I think Ancelotti would make us a real force in Europe.
His record in two legged ties is phenomenal.
He was undermined at Chelsea regarding the Torres affair.
He's an exceptionally shrewd man but I get the feeling unless we offer him some massive assurances financially he won't break his sabbatical.
Which is a massive shame.

 

[jimmy]

and that team had (star for those who started in 2005) :

dida*
nesta*
Maldini*
Gattusso*
Pirlo*
Seerdorf*
Costa
Sheva*
Inzaghi
Ambrosini

That's not a spine? 🙂

I responded to the previous posts (before you raised the spine issue). They were mediocre when he took over.

 

[Judge Jules]

and that team had (star for those who started in 2005) :

dida*
nesta*
Maldini*
Gattusso*
Pirlo*
Seerdorf*
Costa
Sheva*
Inzaghi
Ambrosini

That's not a spine? 🙂

Of course it is, old pal, but they didn't make it count. Even with that spine they underperformed in the league for years. It took Ancelotti to change that.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Of course it is, old pal, but they didn't make it count. Even with that spine they underperformed in the league for years. It took Ancelotti to change that.

So how does this negate, "he's always had very good environments to work with (good squads, money etc) "?

 

[Judge Jules]

Because I don't count an underperforming squad as a good environment. It had the potential to be one but Ancelotti was key to realising that potential.

That said, on reflection I should have said "underperforming" in the first place as opposed to "mediocre".

 

[Wiberg]

He also had the vision to make Pirlo a dm.
I'd be happy with Klopp but I think Ancelotti would make us a real force in Europe.
His record in two legged ties is phenomenal.
He was undermined at Chelsea regarding the Torres affair.
He's an exceptionally shrewd man but I get the feeling unless we offer him some massive assurances financially he won't break his sabbatical.
Which is a massive shame.

He's too bright to say yes to the deal and opportunity we currently offer. He wouldn't want to work in a selling Klopp.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Because I don't count an underperforming squad as a good environment. It had the potential to be one but Ancelotti was key to realising that potential.

That said, on reflection I should have said "underperforming" in the first place as opposed to "mediocre".

Any environment - imo - with that talent (none of those players were ever real 'problems') is one which can be turned by the right manager ... I don't think Ancelotti is a bad manager - I just don't know if he could turn around a mediocre club (as that is what we are sadly)