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Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35837.msg944001#msg944001 date=1253039447]
Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
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Sorry, mate, there's zero evidence for that.
Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
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Sorry, mate, there's zero evidence for that.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35837.msg943879#msg943879 date=1253025511]
They're both great and very promising for our future, but lets be honest, Skrtel takes a bit more flack in comparison because he's less 'glamorous' on the ball, despite both of their defensive qualities being excellent.
Carra's had the same shit for years, despite being one of THE best defenders in Europe for near enough a decade.
Fucking Arsenal syndrome or what? A defender has to be a rampaging, clinical passer, and a goal machine too.
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being a great passer has got bugger to go with it mark, skrtel positioning is suspect regardless of whether he is beckenbauer on the ball. the amount of times he challenges for the ball from BEHIND the attacker when the cross is coming in. Is agger's positioning better, well he (agger) hasn't been in the side long enough to judge but I dare say he will be hard pressed to be worse.[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35837.msg943979#msg943979 date=1253037060]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35837.msg943801#msg943801 date=1253015258]
I'm just off to get 'GOOD LUCK AGGER - HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK SOON' tattooed on my arm. Back at about 2-ish.
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That's one of the few tattoos that would probably have relevance for years
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;D
They're both great and very promising for our future, but lets be honest, Skrtel takes a bit more flack in comparison because he's less 'glamorous' on the ball, despite both of their defensive qualities being excellent.
Carra's had the same shit for years, despite being one of THE best defenders in Europe for near enough a decade.
Fucking Arsenal syndrome or what? A defender has to be a rampaging, clinical passer, and a goal machine too.
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being a great passer has got bugger to go with it mark, skrtel positioning is suspect regardless of whether he is beckenbauer on the ball. the amount of times he challenges for the ball from BEHIND the attacker when the cross is coming in. Is agger's positioning better, well he (agger) hasn't been in the side long enough to judge but I dare say he will be hard pressed to be worse.[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35837.msg943979#msg943979 date=1253037060]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35837.msg943801#msg943801 date=1253015258]
I'm just off to get 'GOOD LUCK AGGER - HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK SOON' tattooed on my arm. Back at about 2-ish.
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That's one of the few tattoos that would probably have relevance for years
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;D
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35837.msg944039#msg944039 date=1253042260]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35837.msg943879#msg943879 date=1253025511]
They're both great and very promising for our future, but lets be honest, Skrtel takes a bit more flack in comparison because he's less 'glamorous' on the ball, despite both of their defensive qualities being excellent.
Carra's had the same shit for years, despite being one of THE best defenders in Europe for near enough a decade.
Fucking Arsenal syndrome or what? A defender has to be a rampaging, clinical passer, and a goal machine too.
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being a great passer has got bugger to go with it mark, skrtel positioning is suspect regardless of whether he is beckenbauer on the ball. the amount of times he challenges for the ball from BEHIND the attacker when the cross is coming in. Is agger's positioning better, well he (agger) hasn't been in the side long enough to judge but I dare say he will be hard pressed to be worse.[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35837.msg943979#msg943979 date=1253037060]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35837.msg943801#msg943801 date=1253015258]
I'm just off to get 'GOOD LUCK AGGER - HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK SOON' tattooed on my arm. Back at about 2-ish.
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That's one of the few tattoos that would probably have relevance for years
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;D
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Take a look at Milan's goals in Athens. Both of them were scored in the space where Agger should have been. Skrtel's still a rough diamond and it's true that his positioning needs more work but, again, there's bugger all evidence that Agger's is better.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35837.msg943879#msg943879 date=1253025511]
They're both great and very promising for our future, but lets be honest, Skrtel takes a bit more flack in comparison because he's less 'glamorous' on the ball, despite both of their defensive qualities being excellent.
Carra's had the same shit for years, despite being one of THE best defenders in Europe for near enough a decade.
Fucking Arsenal syndrome or what? A defender has to be a rampaging, clinical passer, and a goal machine too.
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being a great passer has got bugger to go with it mark, skrtel positioning is suspect regardless of whether he is beckenbauer on the ball. the amount of times he challenges for the ball from BEHIND the attacker when the cross is coming in. Is agger's positioning better, well he (agger) hasn't been in the side long enough to judge but I dare say he will be hard pressed to be worse.[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35837.msg943979#msg943979 date=1253037060]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35837.msg943801#msg943801 date=1253015258]
I'm just off to get 'GOOD LUCK AGGER - HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK SOON' tattooed on my arm. Back at about 2-ish.
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That's one of the few tattoos that would probably have relevance for years
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;D
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Take a look at Milan's goals in Athens. Both of them were scored in the space where Agger should have been. Skrtel's still a rough diamond and it's true that his positioning needs more work but, again, there's bugger all evidence that Agger's is better.
Agreed JJ. They are both rough diamonds, it is all about which can be polished quickly for this season.
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[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35837.msg944001#msg944001 date=1253039447]
Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
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Sorry, mate, there's zero evidence for that.
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With Agger in the team, we have someone who can bring the ball out from the back. It allows our midfield to play further forward and stops our attackers needing to drop deeper to receive it.
With Skrtel and Carragher at the back, we lost that
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35837.msg944001#msg944001 date=1253039447]
Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
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Sorry, mate, there's zero evidence for that.
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With Agger in the team, we have someone who can bring the ball out from the back. It allows our midfield to play further forward and stops our attackers needing to drop deeper to receive it.
With Skrtel and Carragher at the back, we lost that
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35837.msg944095#msg944095 date=1253048826]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35837.msg944030#msg944030 date=1253041712]
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35837.msg944001#msg944001 date=1253039447]
Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
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Sorry, mate, there's zero evidence for that.
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With Agger in the team, we have someone who can bring the ball out from the back. It allows our midfield to play further forward and stops our attackers needing to drop deeper to receive it.
With Skrtel and Carragher at the back, we lost that
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holding a high line has more to do with reading the game or pace than the ability to bring the ball out of defense but you point about building attacks from the back is valid especially since alonso isn't here any more to pick the ball of the defenders toes and start the attack himself.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35837.msg944030#msg944030 date=1253041712]
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35837.msg944001#msg944001 date=1253039447]
Agger is better than Skrtel in my opinion. If only he could stay fit.
Skrtel trades a lot on his physical presence but we are a far better team with Agger in it. I'm not even convinced they'd make a great partnership though. Neither really seems the type to control the defence - then again, I suppose with such a dominating character like Carragher, they are unlikely to impose themself for fear of upsetting the applecart. I guess it depends as to whether they have it in them once Carragher finishes.
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Sorry, mate, there's zero evidence for that.
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With Agger in the team, we have someone who can bring the ball out from the back. It allows our midfield to play further forward and stops our attackers needing to drop deeper to receive it.
With Skrtel and Carragher at the back, we lost that
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holding a high line has more to do with reading the game or pace than the ability to bring the ball out of defense but you point about building attacks from the back is valid especially since alonso isn't here any more to pick the ball of the defenders toes and start the attack himself.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35837.msg943883#msg943883 date=1253025943]
True. I happen to think Skrtel is the better defender, Agger is a good player for sure, probably better player all round. But, if we were in a big one tomorrow, I'd play Skrtel.
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Yup, agreed.
For most people, the idea of Agger is sexier than that of Skrtel.
True. I happen to think Skrtel is the better defender, Agger is a good player for sure, probably better player all round. But, if we were in a big one tomorrow, I'd play Skrtel.
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Yup, agreed.
For most people, the idea of Agger is sexier than that of Skrtel.
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35837.msg944159#msg944159 date=1253065123]
Hope he stays unbroken for a while.
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Unlikely. The cunt's made of fucking porridge.
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We should point out that 'fucking porridge' is quite distinct from breakfast porridge. It is most common in Sligo and surrounding areas, where it is kept in a barrel in the barn and only used after weddings and public holidays.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35837.msg944159#msg944159 date=1253065123]
Hope he stays unbroken for a while.
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Unlikely. The cunt's made of fucking porridge.
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We should point out that 'fucking porridge' is quite distinct from breakfast porridge. It is most common in Sligo and surrounding areas, where it is kept in a barrel in the barn and only used after weddings and public holidays.
It's kept at body temperature and has a handy removable bung in the barrel
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if we were playing a massive must win game tomorrow (yes I know we have a game today) I'd definately pick agger. a) I think he is a better defender and reads the game better b) he is infinately more likely to score from a set piece.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35837.msg944204#msg944204 date=1253088795]
if we were playing a massive must win game tomorrow (yes I know we have a game today) I'd definately pick agger. a) I think he is a better defender and reads the game better b) he is infinately more likely to score from a set piece.
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Agree with that.
if we were playing a massive must win game tomorrow (yes I know we have a game today) I'd definately pick agger. a) I think he is a better defender and reads the game better b) he is infinately more likely to score from a set piece.
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Agree with that.
Me too, I still think he is a better defender that Skrtle, OK shoot me , I can't prove it, it's just they are different types which makes it harder to judge. Skrtle is a no nonsense defender, Agger uses his brain a bit more.
One, as long as he gets a run and stays fit, will float to the surface as clearly the best option.
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One, as long as he gets a run and stays fit, will float to the surface as clearly the best option.
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35837.msg944217#msg944217 date=1253090340]
Me too, I still think he is a better defender that Skrtle, OK shoot me , I can't prove it, it's just they are different types which makes it harder to judge. Skrtle is a no nonsense defender, Agger uses his brain a bit more.
One, as long as he gets a run and stays fit, will float to the surface as clearly the best option.
regards
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people go on about the 'no nonsense' and the strength and the pace which gets him out of tight situations, if you read the game you can definately get away with a lack of pace and you don't have to be built like arnold either. I'm definately not impressed by defenders that are continually making last ditch tackles, yes it looks wonderful but better positioning cuts out the danger at the source, prevention is better than cure. how many last ditch tackles did sami ever make? you can count them on one hand.
Me too, I still think he is a better defender that Skrtle, OK shoot me , I can't prove it, it's just they are different types which makes it harder to judge. Skrtle is a no nonsense defender, Agger uses his brain a bit more.
One, as long as he gets a run and stays fit, will float to the surface as clearly the best option.
regards
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people go on about the 'no nonsense' and the strength and the pace which gets him out of tight situations, if you read the game you can definately get away with a lack of pace and you don't have to be built like arnold either. I'm definately not impressed by defenders that are continually making last ditch tackles, yes it looks wonderful but better positioning cuts out the danger at the source, prevention is better than cure. how many last ditch tackles did sami ever make? you can count them on one hand.
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According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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And he's Danish, for two.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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And he's Danish, for two.
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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and at the oppsite end of that, he attacks them (corners) better in the oppsition penalty box.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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and at the oppsite end of that, he attacks them (corners) better in the oppsition penalty box.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35837.msg944287#msg944287 date=1253102555]
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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and at the oppsite end of that, he attacks them (corners) better in the oppsition penalty box.
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He attacks them better yes, but wastes every single one.
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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and at the oppsite end of that, he attacks them (corners) better in the oppsition penalty box.
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He attacks them better yes, but wastes every single one.
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the_khl
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35837.msg944295#msg944295 date=1253103231]
There is more chance of Agger scoring from open play than from a set-piece.
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As he's got a rather fierce left-foot on him I'm sure we'll see a few goals from his foot from direct freekicks.
*I know you mean his ability to score from corners, but anyways... 🙂
There is more chance of Agger scoring from open play than from a set-piece.
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As he's got a rather fierce left-foot on him I'm sure we'll see a few goals from his foot from direct freekicks.
*I know you mean his ability to score from corners, but anyways... 🙂
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35837.msg944295#msg944295 date=1253103231]
There is more chance of Agger scoring from open play than from a set-piece.
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Not true. He gets a lot of headers when attacking corners. He is no Sami, but he gets there.
To-date he hasn't done much with the chances he has made from those corners, but he will get there.
There is more chance of Agger scoring from open play than from a set-piece.
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Not true. He gets a lot of headers when attacking corners. He is no Sami, but he gets there.
To-date he hasn't done much with the chances he has made from those corners, but he will get there.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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And he's Danish, for two.
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And he's not French, for three.
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According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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And he's Danish, for two.
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And he's not French, for three.
Agger needs to prove he can remain injury free for more than a month. Until then, is there really a debate?
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[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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And he's Danish, for two.
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And he's not French, for three.
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You know I'm not French, right?
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[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35837.msg944242#msg944242 date=1253096021]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35837.msg944233#msg944233 date=1253094437]
According to Rafa's press conference last night Agger is already fully fit to play tonight. He won't though as we've got no other defensive worries but it's still a massive boost for the squad.
I think Vlad summed it up perfectly. I can't 'prove' myself why I reckon Agger is a better defender than Skrtl (Spidey's right when it comes to their positional sense as beeing one vital point mind) but I do think he is.
I think we're a better team overall with Agger playing. That's all.
That said I do like Skrtl and appart from a few sloppy errors in the first 15 minutes against Burnely I thought he looked assured. He even made an Agger-esque run up the field at one point. Hopefully they'll teach eachother a few tricks along the line and improve on their weaknesses.
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IMO Agger has better anticipation of where a corner or a free kick is going to arrive therefore defends them better, for one.
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And he's Danish, for two.
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And he's not French, for three.
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You know I'm not French, right?
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35837.msg944217#msg944217 date=1253090340]
Me too, I still think he is a better defender that Skrtle, OK shoot me , I can't prove it, it's just they are different types which makes it harder to judge. Skrtle is a no nonsense defender, Agger uses his brain a bit more.
One, as long as he gets a run and stays fit, will float to the surface as clearly the best option.
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people go on about the 'no nonsense' and the strength and the pace which gets him out of tight situations, if you read the game you can definately get away with a lack of pace and you don't have to be built like arnold either. I'm definately not impressed by defenders that are continually making last ditch tackles, yes it looks wonderful but better positioning cuts out the danger at the source, prevention is better than cure. how many last ditch tackles did sami ever make? you can count them on one hand.
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Heard all this shite a million times now.
Just because a player is fast and can put in last ditch tackles, it doesn't make them any less aware, and to suggest that Skrtel isn't adept at spotting danger is bollocks, he's quick enough to come across another player and snuff out the potential problem, he does it in practically every game. Carra's been a 'last ditch man' throughout his career, it's a common balance to have in defence, a good reader of the game and someone to mop up and put his foot in and generally do the ugly stuff. It doesn't make one more important or 'better' than the other, it's different styles and both are fairly essential I'd have thought.
It's just as naive to suggest that because a player is slower they automatically read the game better. Yeah Agger is the thinking mans choice, because he's more elegant in possession, compliments Carra AND Skrtel, and will weigh in with a couple of goals, but the argument over him having any greater edge is neither here nor there. We've conceded goals when either have partnered Carra (or Hyypia for that matter) and we've equally looked rock solid in spells too.
As a unit and individually our defence is excellent, the flaws that seem to rear their head have cropped up whatever the personnel. Last season, we shipped four against Chelsea with Skrtel at the back and then in the following game we shipped four again against Arsenal, with Agger at the back.
This bollocks about us looking a better team with Agger at the back has been proven just that, time and time again. Both by us looking sluggish and short of inspiration with Agger (or Skrtel) in there at times and by us looking like a good, fluid unit with Skrtel (or Agger) in there.
As said, until both have had a reasonable, injury free run you can't state a case either way really, it's all just conjecture based on who looks better on the ball and a shed load of inaccurate stereotyping.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35837.msg944217#msg944217 date=1253090340]
Me too, I still think he is a better defender that Skrtle, OK shoot me , I can't prove it, it's just they are different types which makes it harder to judge. Skrtle is a no nonsense defender, Agger uses his brain a bit more.
One, as long as he gets a run and stays fit, will float to the surface as clearly the best option.
regards
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people go on about the 'no nonsense' and the strength and the pace which gets him out of tight situations, if you read the game you can definately get away with a lack of pace and you don't have to be built like arnold either. I'm definately not impressed by defenders that are continually making last ditch tackles, yes it looks wonderful but better positioning cuts out the danger at the source, prevention is better than cure. how many last ditch tackles did sami ever make? you can count them on one hand.
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Heard all this shite a million times now.
Just because a player is fast and can put in last ditch tackles, it doesn't make them any less aware, and to suggest that Skrtel isn't adept at spotting danger is bollocks, he's quick enough to come across another player and snuff out the potential problem, he does it in practically every game. Carra's been a 'last ditch man' throughout his career, it's a common balance to have in defence, a good reader of the game and someone to mop up and put his foot in and generally do the ugly stuff. It doesn't make one more important or 'better' than the other, it's different styles and both are fairly essential I'd have thought.
It's just as naive to suggest that because a player is slower they automatically read the game better. Yeah Agger is the thinking mans choice, because he's more elegant in possession, compliments Carra AND Skrtel, and will weigh in with a couple of goals, but the argument over him having any greater edge is neither here nor there. We've conceded goals when either have partnered Carra (or Hyypia for that matter) and we've equally looked rock solid in spells too.
As a unit and individually our defence is excellent, the flaws that seem to rear their head have cropped up whatever the personnel. Last season, we shipped four against Chelsea with Skrtel at the back and then in the following game we shipped four again against Arsenal, with Agger at the back.
This bollocks about us looking a better team with Agger at the back has been proven just that, time and time again. Both by us looking sluggish and short of inspiration with Agger (or Skrtel) in there at times and by us looking like a good, fluid unit with Skrtel (or Agger) in there.
As said, until both have had a reasonable, injury free run you can't state a case either way really, it's all just conjecture based on who looks better on the ball and a shed load of inaccurate stereotyping.
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