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To be fair he played against West Brom injured. You did notice that his knee was tightly bandaged during the game.
So he just aggravated an injury.
I still rate him and I hope he can start the next season injury free.....
with Cahill next to him.
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We say that every year.

Time to show him the door.
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So that we're left with Skrtel, Carra and the Greek. Fuck no. I'd rather have a one legged Agger on the pitch.
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You say in your "Pessimists" thread that Cahill will go to the Arse. I'm not convinced - Wenger's record on signing defenders is fairly poor, and if Cahill were to trot down the road to Anfield he probably wouldn't even have to move house. Just a thought.
 
I've said it for a long time: Agger Will always pick up injuries on a regular basis and he should be sold.
 
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Agger is a fucking liability, I agree with Spider, he is cheeky twat too, if he has a couple of games on the bench he starts whining.


regards
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He needs to stop beeing injured all the time otherwise he's of no real use even though he's very much needed in the team as there are far to many right now simply not good enough.

But to say he's a liability is quite frankly wrong as he's one of our best players when fit.

Oh and he isn't cheeky nor a twat either.
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44837.msg1311248#msg1311248 date=1302103005]
Agger is a fucking liability, I agree with Spider, he is cheeky twat too, if he has a couple of games on the bench he starts whining.


regards
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He needs to stop beeing injured all the time otherwise he's of no real use even though he's very much needed in the team as there are far to many right now simply not good enough.

But to say he's a liability is quite frankly wrong as he's one of our best players when fit.

Oh and he isn't cheeky nor a twat either.
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Hardly a surprise that you're jumping to his defence, but I don't see much wrong with what Vlad said. He's always injured, which in itself I wouldn't have a problem with (nothing personally anyway), *if* he kept his gobshut the rest of the time, instead of doing interviews after a few games on the bench.

He's not available nearly enough so he IS a liability. No one's saying he's shit, but we rely on having good players available, and he never is, so he amounts to pretty much the same as having a perma fit, not quite as good player on the books, because for every shit game the 'not quite as good' player has, Agger misses about half a dozen.
 
Example:

We lost the last game because Agger got injured. Given that, for both penalties (goals), his replacement was isolated and struggling.
 
Hasn't he now twice got injured on international duty, whilst knowing he's already carrying an injury but playing anyway?

I hope we didn't pay him during those injuries.
 
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Agger is a fucking liability, I agree with Spider, he is cheeky twat too, if he has a couple of games on the bench he starts whining.


regards
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He needs to stop beeing injured all the time otherwise he's of no real use even though he's very much needed in the team as there are far to many right now simply not good enough.

But to say he's a liability is quite frankly wrong as he's one of our best players when fit.

Oh and he isn't cheeky nor a twat either.
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16 League games a season,Kris.

Liability.
 
KHL, I love Daniel Agger and you will be searching all year to find a post by me cussing him, but, come on, it's waaay beyond a joke now.

He's made out of the broken dreams of yesterday.
 
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To be fair he played against West Brom injured. You did notice that his knee was tightly bandaged during the game.
So he just aggravated an injury.
I still rate him and I hope he can start the next season injury free.....
with Cahill next to him.
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We say that every year.

Time to show him the door.
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So that we're left with Skrtel, Carra and the Greek. Fuck no. I'd rather have a one legged Agger on the pitch.
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I imagine that those crazy cats that run the club won't think of this but I have a cunning and subtle plan.......We sell Agger and buy somebody to replace him.
 
Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
 
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Chygrynskiy.
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I was a little surprised at how clumsy and out of sorts he looked at Barca as he appeared a very good footballer at Shaktar.

He wouldn't be the first good player to struggle there, but I don't think I'd like him here. He's quite slow for a start.
 
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Chygrynskiy.
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I was a little surprised at how clumsy and out of sorts he looked at Barca as he appeared a very good footballer at Shaktar.

He wouldn't be the first good player to struggle there, but I don't think I'd like him here. He's quite slow for a start.
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Sami was slow too and it didnt stop us from playing him.
 
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Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
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What is so absurd about it? Let's assume Agger is earning about £60k a week. That's a little over £3m a year. Which based on his average return, works out at nearly 200 grand for every league game he plays. That is simply not value for money.

We can eulogize about him until the cows come home but he just isn't earning his keep. Granted, it's not his fault, but there isn't room for sentimentality when you're wasting that amount of money. Unfortunately, he's just a flawed specimen and needs to be moved on. Far from being an absurd suggestion, it's an entirely reasonable one.
 
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Official: No more Stevie this season
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Liability?

Only kidding of couurse.

Or am I?

I am not.
 
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Official: No more Stevie this season
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Liability?

Only kidding of couurse.

Or am I?

I am not.
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I think people are right when they say that Agger is a liablity due to his injuries mate. Do you know what though i'd agree (if you're being serious) that Stevie is heading that way if not already there.
 
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Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
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What is so absurd about it? Let's assume Agger is earning about £60k a week. That's a little over £3m a year. Which based on his average return, works out at nearly 200 grand for every league game he plays. That is simply not value for money.

We can eulogize about him until the cows come home but he just isn't earning his keep. Granted, it's not his fault, but there isn't room for sentimentality when you're wasting that amount of money. Unfortunately, he's just a flawed specimen and needs to be moved on. Far from being an absurd suggestion, it's an entirely reasonable one.
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Firstly Agger's played 20 games this Season and he wasn't even a regular under Roy. Not good but not abysmal either.

Secondly someone on here posted a stat with regards to our performances when Agger was playing and when he wasn't. Six last games with him and we won four and drawed two, without him for six games we only won one. Or thereabouts.

That's not the sign of a player who's a liability at least not where I come from. His injuries however is becomming one and as such as said I could almost understand if we were pondering our options but make no mistake we'd need two new top class defenders then. And they'd ask for a rather big salary as well if we're taking that road mind.

I'd still prefer if we could somehow rebuild him and reboot his bones and make him last as we won't find many better defenders outhere when fit.

EDIT: Last Season he played 23 Premier League matches and more than a handful in Europe, CC and FA Cup as well. Where's those 16 coming from?
 
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Official: No more Stevie this season
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Liability?

Only kidding of couurse.

Or am I?

I am not.
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I think people are right when they say that Agger is a liablity due to his injuries mate. Do you know what though i'd agree (if you're being serious) that Stevie is heading that way if not already there.

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Apart from a handful of games Gerrard hasn't looked his own splendid self ever since that bar romp. And now he's finding himself almost constantly injured. The Summer will hopefully do him loads of good.
 
How would we "reboot his bones"?

We can't. He's a top player but not worth the effort. Luckily we could sell and buy 2 cbs with our new slightly sweeper pockets. 1 potential world beater and 1 solid player.
 
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How would we "reboot his bones"?

We can't. He's a top player but not worth the effort. Luckily we could sell and buy 2 cbs with our new slightly sweeper pockets. 1 potential world beater and 1 solid player.
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Do I look like a sorcerer to you mate?

Ask Merlin or someone.

*When I think about it we could actually do with some magic. Let's buy Harry.
 
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Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
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What is so absurd about it? Let's assume Agger is earning about £60k a week. That's a little over £3m a year. Which based on his average return, works out at nearly 200 grand for every league game he plays. That is simply not value for money.

We can eulogize about him until the cows come home but he just isn't earning his keep. Granted, it's not his fault, but there isn't room for sentimentality when you're wasting that amount of money. Unfortunately, he's just a flawed specimen and needs to be moved on. Far from being an absurd suggestion, it's an entirely reasonable one.
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Firstly Agger's played 20 games this Season and he wasn't even a regular under Roy. Not good but not abysmal either.

Secondly someone on here posted a stat with regards to our performances when Agger was playing and when he wasn't. Six last games with him and we won four and drawed two, without him for six games we only won one. Or thereabouts.

That's not the sign of a player who's a liability at least not where I come from. His injuries however is becomming one and as such as said I could almost understand if we were pondering our options but make no mistake we'd need two new top class defenders then. And they'd ask for a rather big salary as well if we're taking that road mind.

I'd still prefer if we could somehow rebuild him and reboot his bones and make him last as we won't find many better defenders outhere when fit.

EDIT: Last Season he played 23 Premier League matches and more than a handful in Europe, CC and FA Cup as well. Where's those 16 coming from?
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16 Premier League games a season on average for Butter Cookie.

Since you want to insinuate that Gerrard is as much a liability as Agger, then perhaps you'd show how many games Gerrard averages a season over the past 10 years. My guess is that it won't be pretty reading.
 
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Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
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What is so absurd about it? Let's assume Agger is earning about £60k a week. That's a little over £3m a year. Which based on his average return, works out at nearly 200 grand for every league game he plays. That is simply not value for money.

We can eulogize about him until the cows come home but he just isn't earning his keep. Granted, it's not his fault, but there isn't room for sentimentality when you're wasting that amount of money. Unfortunately, he's just a flawed specimen and needs to be moved on. Far from being an absurd suggestion, it's an entirely reasonable one.
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Firstly Agger's played 20 games this Season and he wasn't even a regular under Roy. Not good but not abysmal either.

Secondly someone on here posted a stat with regards to our performances when Agger was playing and when he wasn't. Six last games with him and we won four and drawed two, without him for six games we only won one. Or thereabouts.

That's not the sign of a player who's a liability at least not where I come from. His injuries however is becomming one and as such as said I could almost understand if we were pondering our options but make no mistake we'd need two new top class defenders then. And they'd ask for a rather big salary as well if we're taking that road mind.

I'd still prefer if we could somehow rebuild him and reboot his bones and make him last as we won't find many better defenders outhere when fit.
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He averages 16 league games a season, and that's rounding it up (it's actually 15.5). And for what it's worth, 20 games a season isn't good enough either. You've inadvertently boiled the problem down to its inevitable conclusion. If we do better with him in the team, but he's absent more often than not, then it means he's doing more harm than good. We can't afford for a player considered to be a starter to be absent more often than not. It's that simple. I suspect he earns a first team player's wage, but spends relatively little time in the first team. It's just throwing money away.

Of course it goes without saying that we would need to replace him. But if we can replace him with a player of equal quality (and I think we can) and that player plays the majority of games over the course of a season, then it would represent much better value for money, and would cause much less disruption to the team. It really is a no-brainer.

Unless you're a mildly obsessive Danish patriot, apparently.
 
I reckon we could make our money back on him, with possibly a bit of profit. We just need to find another club like ours, that is willing to take punts on players with poor injury records.
 
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Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
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What is so absurd about it? Let's assume Agger is earning about £60k a week. That's a little over £3m a year. Which based on his average return, works out at nearly 200 grand for every league game he plays. That is simply not value for money.

We can eulogize about him until the cows come home but he just isn't earning his keep. Granted, it's not his fault, but there isn't room for sentimentality when you're wasting that amount of money. Unfortunately, he's just a flawed specimen and needs to be moved on. Far from being an absurd suggestion, it's an entirely reasonable one.
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Firstly Agger's played 20 games this Season and he wasn't even a regular under Roy. Not good but not abysmal either.

Secondly someone on here posted a stat with regards to our performances when Agger was playing and when he wasn't. Six last games with him and we won four and drawed two, without him for six games we only won one. Or thereabouts.

That's not the sign of a player who's a liability at least not where I come from. His injuries however is becomming one and as such as said I could almost understand if we were pondering our options but make no mistake we'd need two new top class defenders then. And they'd ask for a rather big salary as well if we're taking that road mind.

I'd still prefer if we could somehow rebuild him and reboot his bones and make him last as we won't find many better defenders outhere when fit.
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He averages 16 league games a season, and that's rounding it up (it's actually 15.5). And for what it's worth, 20 games a season isn't good enough either. You've inadvertently boiled the problem down to its inevitable conclusion. If we do better with him in the team, but he's absent more often than not, then it means he's doing more harm than good. We can't afford for a player considered to be a starter to be absent more often than not. It's that simple. I suspect he earns a first team player's wage, but spends relatively little time in the first team. It's just throwing money away.

Of course it goes without saying that we would need to replace him. But if we can replace him with a player of equal quality (and I think we can) and that player plays the majority of games over the course of a season, then it would represent much better value for money, and would cause much less disruption to the team. It really is a no-brainer.

Unless you're a mildly obsessive Danish patriot, apparently.
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He played 20 games this Season and around 30 games in the last Season. That's 25 games per average since that much discussed payrise of his. Just to make that clear.

Secondly I've said TWICE already that I'd understand if we were pondering our options with regards to his future. No-one is satisfied with his injury-record least of all himself, but I'm still hopefully he could get over them (more or less) as he'd then be a real asset for us in the future. That's all.
 
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Perhaps We should sell him because of his injury record. I'd somehow even understand that but we'd then need two top class defenders not one.

I just soooo hope he starts to drink his cup of milk in the morning. Or something. Just stop beeing injured fcol.
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What is so absurd about it? Let's assume Agger is earning about £60k a week. That's a little over £3m a year. Which based on his average return, works out at nearly 200 grand for every league game he plays. That is simply not value for money.

We can eulogize about him until the cows come home but he just isn't earning his keep. Granted, it's not his fault, but there isn't room for sentimentality when you're wasting that amount of money. Unfortunately, he's just a flawed specimen and needs to be moved on. Far from being an absurd suggestion, it's an entirely reasonable one.
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Firstly Agger's played 20 games this Season and he wasn't even a regular under Roy. Not good but not abysmal either.

Secondly someone on here posted a stat with regards to our performances when Agger was playing and when he wasn't. Six last games with him and we won four and drawed two, without him for six games we only won one. Or thereabouts.

That's not the sign of a player who's a liability at least not where I come from. His injuries however is becomming one and as such as said I could almost understand if we were pondering our options but make no mistake we'd need two new top class defenders then. And they'd ask for a rather big salary as well if we're taking that road mind.

I'd still prefer if we could somehow rebuild him and reboot his bones and make him last as we won't find many better defenders outhere when fit.

EDIT: Last Season he played 23 Premier League matches and more than a handful in Europe, CC and FA Cup as well. Where's those 16 coming from?
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16 Premier League games a season on average for Butter Cookie.

Since you want to insinuate that Gerrard is as much a liability as Agger, then perhaps you'd show how many games Gerrard averages a season over the past 10 years. My guess is that it won't be pretty reading.
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Oh dear.
 
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has been ruled out for the rest of the season through injury.

The England midfielder returned to training a week ago after a groin operation in early March but sustained a similar problem last Friday.

The 30-year-old has spent the week undergoing assessment and manager Kenny Dalglish confirmed the worst at the club's Melwood training ground.

"We still don't know definitively what the problem is," Dalglish said.

"We will wait to get a precise answer from the people that he has to see but he won't be involved again this season."

Gerrard last played for Liverpool on 6 March during the 3-1 victory over Manchester United in the Premier League and was expected to return for last Saturday's 2-1 defeat at West Brom.

The news adds to Dalglish's worries after defenders Daniel Agger and Glen Johnson were injured at The Hawthorns last weekend.

Centre-back Agger picked up a knee problem that has ended his season while Johnson injured his hamstring, sidelining the right-back out for at least a month.

Liverpool face Manchester City on Monday in their chase for a Europa League spot. Even though they are sixth in the Premier League, they are five points behind fifth-place Tottenham but have a game in hand.

Dalglish added: "It is a blow to anyone but it's more disappointing for the player than it is for us, obviously.

"We just have to get on with it and without being disrespectful to the players who are injured the most important ones are the ones who are fit.

"They are the ones who can be chosen. At this particular moment in time I'm as good a player as Steven."
 
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